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2/07/2001
11:32:45
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I just bought a 2000 Dodge Dakota sport 4x4, with the new 4.7.
This is my first 4x4 and I was wondering when I put it in to 4Low, should all wheels be turning at the same time?
The other day I was pulling somebody out of a ditch and one of the front wheels was not turning. Is this normal?
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UWGriz
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2/07/2001
16:20:38
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This is normal. The front of your truck has what is known as an open differential. It directs more of the engines power to the wheel that has the least traction. You may have what is called a limited slip in your rear axle. This does exactly what it sounds like, it limits the amount that one wheel can spin relative to the other. This helps to get torque to the wheel with traction. It can be overpowered, though, as I did in a nice mud hole. The third option is a locker. When engaged, this forces the wheels to spin at the same speed. Each of these options have their adavantages and disadvantages. It all depends on your needs.
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Patrick ODay
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2/12/2001
01:00:12
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Does anyone make lockers for the 2000 Dak 4 x 4?
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y22man
GenIII
2/15/2001
14:54:53
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That is good to notice which wheel is spinning. That is known as the drive wheel. When you are 4x4ing you want to keep that wheel on the ground the best you can. It helps. My drive wheel is the drivers side. I do everythng to keep that wheel on the ground.
And yes they make lockers for it. You have a standard dana diff. Easy to find lockers for it. I think dana 30 or possible 44.
Jay
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aggie97
GenIII
4/22/2001
23:48:10
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Looked for lockers for the front and was told is was a dana 35 like a jeep but without holding it in their hand, they did not know for sure. Others have told me that it is not anything on the 2000 and is something new.
Another way to prevent single wheel spin is to hold down the brake slightly to develop equal load on all four wheels. I watched this done on a hummer with open diffs and the thing climed a ditch with the opposite wheels with 1 and 2 wheels in the air spinning at the same speed. No brake and it sat there spinning two wheels. Maybe this only works with hummers but I just have not had the opportunity to try. The only time I have gotten my truck stuck it took a 4 wheel drive backhoe to get me out. Other times I carried enough speed and traction to get through stuff that stuck 2wd backhoes.
Dak's are unstoppable......almost!!!
2000 QC 4x4 5.9 Black, no mods.....yet!!
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seth
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4/23/2001
22:16:01
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hey y22man,
Are you retarded? Not only do you not know what you are talking about but the correct answer was posted right before yours.
An open differential will transmit the torque to the path with the least resistance (traction). It does not bias to one side or the other, simply the one with least traction.
This is evident in limited slip differentials also, but to a limited degree due to a preloaded mechanism that distributes torque more evenly.
Only spools, mini-spools, lockers, and "welded shut" open differentials transmit 100% of the torque to all sides all the time.
One side of a axle may exhibit a tendency to slip more than the other, but in a open diff, there is no such thing as a favored drive wheel.
seth
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andrew
GenII
4/23/2001
23:55:58
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After reading all of your guys responses, I think I may be retarded. I guess I will just have to see frst hand what you guys are talking about.
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y22man
*GenIII*
4/24/2001
13:17:37
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Well with my expirence in wheeling. That is correct. Altho even tho it is a open it still has a tendency to give more power to one wheel. Granted it is a open. This is what I have noticed in many trucks. You can not lift a tire or anything like that but there is more power to one wheel. Now I am not saying I am a expert. Just what I have noticed.
Jay
2000 DakotaCC SLT Plus 4.7L 3.90 L-Slip Stick
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whyjay91
Gen I
4/26/2001
14:23:00
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If you're wheelin', I'd like to kindly suggest ARB's air lockers or for someone on a budget, detroit lockers. In my experience, these are the one's that can handle some strain.
If anyone's still confused, our stock dakotas with open diff up front and l-slip at the rear really don't have what it takes to get out of the mud or handle too well wheelin'. The front wheels are fairly worthless to provide traction in most hairy situations. The l-slip in the rear still needs time and some motion to engage, usually too long a time to engage :(.
Anyway, without boring you too much longer, if you want to do some serious wheelin' with minimal stuckage :) and cost, I'd put a detroit locker in the rear and in the front. If you don't want the clicking/jerking of the locker in the front, you could always slap in a lock-right (sp?) up there or none at all. Of course, ARB's are pretty much your best bet since your truck will run open diffs until you engage your lockers. Pricy though. Let me know if you have any specific questions.
Jeff
Black 2K QC Sport 4.7 4x4
Black '91 YJ intake, headers, exhaust, 4LHO, 5" susp, 33" BFGMT
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whyjay91
Gen I
4/26/2001
14:23:57
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If you're wheelin', I'd like to kindly suggest ARB's air lockers or for someone on a budget, detroit lockers. In my experience, these are the one's that can handle some strain.
If anyone's still confused, our stock dakotas with open diff up front and l-slip at the rear really don't have what it takes to get out of the mud or handle too well wheelin'. The front wheels are fairly worthless to provide traction in most hairy situations. The l-slip in the rear still needs time and some motion to engage, usually too long a time to engage :(.
Anyway, without boring you too much longer, if you want to do some serious wheelin' with minimal stuckage :) and cost, I'd put a detroit locker in the rear and in the front. If you don't want the clicking/jerking of the locker in the front, you could always slap in a lock-right (sp?) up there or none at all. Of course, ARB's are pretty much your best bet since your truck will run open diffs until you engage your lockers. Pricy though. Let me know if you have any specific questions.
Jeff
Black 2K QC Sport 4.7 4x4
Black '91 YJ intake, headers, exhaust, 4LHO, 5" susp, 33" BFGMT
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Python97
R/T
4/26/2001
16:37:03
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Arent our Dakotas part time four wheel drive. I say this beacuse if im in 4wheel and I make a turn it starts to kink (if you know what im sayin). I say this beacuse I had a jeep cherokee and when in full time the wheels didnt jerk on a turn put in part time they did.
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Jay
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4/26/2001
17:41:44
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It depends on what 4 wheel drive system you have. Dodge has both a part time and a full time system. The full time has a viscous clutch so the front and rear wheels can move at differnt speeds. The part time unit does not have this so when your turn the wheels hop or "kink" because they want to rotate at differnt speeds but can't.
Hope this helps
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whyjay91
Gen I
4/27/2001
13:59:56
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Yep, on the Cherokees the full time four wheel drive did not engage all 4 wheels until it felt a slip so you wouldn't feel jerking. My Dakota and Wrangler are part-time 4 wheel drives. The full time, I believe, are only available on the SLT models. I have the sport; couldn't handle the chrome bumpers :-).
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