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Dan Gruber
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12/01/2001
16:45:20
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Even though my thumbnail and profile pic have not been updated yet (can't find that 4 digit number!), my Dakota has a more agressive look to it. I posted a few pics on my yahoo photo album...one from when it was brand new and four taken today.
http://photos.yahoo.com/dangruber
Hawkeye: even though I'm not lifted (yet), can I at least join the black wheel gang? Oh and yes, that is bedliner material...I was going for the road warrior look.
Dan
2000 CC SLT 4.7 4X4 Auto 3.55 LSD
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2THEXTRM
GenIII
12/01/2001
17:34:35
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Holy &*^%! that is bedliner material! It actually does not look all too bad, but hows it look up close? Should keep the rockers from getting chipped any more:) Doesn't even look like the same truck, at first I thought it was one of those STX's with the graphite colored bumpers and fender flares.
Flowmaster stainless cat back, Air Raid CAD and homemade TB connect, Splitfire Plugs, 180 T-stat, .76 TPS, 3" Body Lift, Street Scene grille/valance inserts
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4wDakota
Dodge Dakota
12/01/2001
18:09:41
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How much $$$ did that cost (the rocker panels, flares and valence)???
It looks sweet. That stuff is great if your on the trails a lot. I've seen jeeps covered top to bottm with it. If it's from a good dealer like a Rhino Liner then it has a lifetime warranty. Let the trail running begin!!!
Did they only offer black or is that what you wanted. I've seen a couple who color match.
Great truck
Corey
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Blizzard
*GenIII*
12/01/2001
18:42:59
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Totally unique look, Ken! You'll have to let us know how that stuff cleans up. My Rhino liner sticks to dirt/sand like glue!
'01 QC 4x4
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http://shakin-notstirred.tripod.com
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Blizzard
*GenIII*
12/01/2001
20:22:16
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Errr .. oops ... sorry ... meant to say DAN!!
'01 QC 4x4
5.9L, 3.92 LSD, loaded
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Dan Gruber
*GenI*
12/01/2001
20:32:53
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Apparently my thumbnail upload is retroactive since the new thumbnail is up on my previous post. Anyway...
I know the look isn't for everyone, but it's what I wanted. I knew that I wanted to get rid of the two-tone look and switch to black wheels (AR-767's, by the way), but didn't want to drop big money for a new paint job. They idea for doing this hit me Last Friday night, but I wasn't sure I wanted to go through with it. Then I saw a rhino lining ad that had a red Ford Ranger with the liner applied down low. That sold me on the idea. It looks better in person than in the pictures, but I think it will look better once the black stuff starts to weather and fade a bit...it's a little too shiny right now. So contrary to what most people want, I really hope the color fades!
I actually did all the work myself, using herculiner. I took a lot of time (5 hours!) for prep work, most of which was spent sanding and VERY carefully taping everything off. I have no idea how much a professional would charge, but I'd have to guess considerably more than a standard bedliner job because the prep work was so time consuming. I was a little concerned about doing everything myself because if I screwed something up I'd have nobody to blame, but it turned out pretty good. And if some of it chips off...big deal. I've still got another quart of the stuff and plenty of rollers. I'm planning on touch-ups from time to time.
As the ad says, "Dodge. Different."
Dan
2000 CC SLT 4.7 4X4 Auto 3.55 LSD
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Dan Gruber
GenIII
12/01/2001
20:37:52
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By the way, I'm still looking for a .50 cal or a grenade launcher for the roof...
Dan
2000 CC SLT 4.7 4X4 Auto 3.55 LSD
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Hawkeye
*GenIII*
12/02/2001
08:50:18
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Welcome to the Urban Warrior club. Might I suggest a MK 19. Twin Ma duces would be nice though as well. I have actually been planning on Line-xing my bumpers (and fender flares when I get them) to give it a little different look and protect from scratches and dings. Looks like you beat me too it. I have some like new 32x11.50 BFG's for sale if you want to put some new meats on.
'00 QC 4x4
4.7 3.55 LSD
33x12.50 Pro Comp X-T's
http://johnammons.tripod.com/home.html
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Lesley
GenIII
12/02/2001
13:08:46
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You guys look dangerous!
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black. Auto 3.55
Quick D Intake, JBA Stainless headers
Autolite 3923s with Borg Warner Wires
Awaiting Installation: Borla catback, V8 R/T TB
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BlueTwister
GenIII
12/02/2001
21:08:32
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I'm shakin in my boots!!!! Really I am!!:-)
1999 RC 4X4 5.2L MasterCraft Coursers MT 32x11.50s
SpeedGlo Dash Kit SS Grille Inserts
15x8 Optima Alloys and Pioneer Sound System
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Lesley
GenIII
12/02/2001
21:18:53
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Is that a new thumbnail pic Blue Twister?
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black. Auto 3.55
Quick D Intake, JBA Stainless headers
Autolite 3923s with Borg Warner Wires
Awaiting Installation: Borla catback, V8 R/T TB
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BlueTwister
GenIII
12/03/2001
13:56:09
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Yeap your wright Lesley.I wanted to update since I put my SS grilles on but I should have taken a different angle.Looks like somebody else has a new fingernail too!!Opps,I meant to say thumbnail :-)
1999 RC 4X4 5.2L MasterCraft Coursers MT 32x11.50s
SpeedGlo Dash Kit SS Grille Inserts
15x8 Optima Alloys and Pioneer Sound System
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Knobbyman
GenIII
12/03/2001
15:30:05
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Hey.. do you have a website.. or more pics you could send me?
'01 Graphite QC 4x4
4.7 3.55 LSD
http://www.knobbyman.com
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BlueTwister
GenIII
12/03/2001
17:27:13
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No web site but.........you got mail!!!
1999 RC 4X4 5.2L MasterCraft Coursers MT 32x11.50s
SpeedGlo Dash Kit SS Grille Inserts
15x8 Optima Alloys and Pioneer Sound System
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Zeke
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
19:17:54
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Very cool Dan!
How thick did you put it on? Just curious for the long term effect with road and rock pings and how durable it will be.
Now that I finally got my rig, the black rims look really appealing......also, the grill job that Blizzard did(SS Grill??)...I wonder how that would look in black? Hmmm....
-Zeke
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Dan Gruber
GenIII
12/03/2001
21:07:14
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It came out pretty thick...I have no idea how thick in terms of whether it's an 1/8 or 1/16 or whatnot. I did the recommended two coats using a large cell foam roller for good texture. The more I look at it the more that I like it, and I'm getting a lot of positive comments from people I work with. As far as durability, only time will tell. But as I said before I've got extra liner and rollers if I have to do touch ups.
Dan
2000 CC SLT 4.7 4X4 Auto 3.55 LSD
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Kevin
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
22:24:06
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Damn, that is a cool idea. I have seen it before on Jeeps, but not on a Dak. I LOVE the black rock crawler wheels. I want a set for my truck, but had to settle for just one on my second spare. Now all you need Dan is a set of Goodyear Hummer tires, one of those huge steel bumpers and a safari rack and the Dak will be ready to see action in Afghanistan. :)
Kevin
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Hawkeye
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12/03/2001
22:44:44
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Geeze Dan. You get more attention on your rims in 3 days than I have in 4 months! :-)
'00 QC 4x4
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33x12.50 Pro Comp X-T's
http://johnammons.tripod.com/home.html
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DakotaFan
Dakota Enthusiast
12/03/2001
23:26:38
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I think Dan's right. Depending on where you go, to get that done professionally would be spendy. I took my truck down to Line-x and asked what it would cost me to get the front valance and the rear bumper inserts done. (I hate the gray) If I took them off myself, it would cost me $175. More if they did the removal. I can't imagine what they would charge for the rest.
Dan: Your truck looks Incredible. The weathering will help, too. I would love to do that to my truck...but I would want to keep my chrome, that may look funny...and I don't know that the color of my truck would be as compatible as yours. It's an inspiration to see. I just might do the valance and inserts myself! I really despise the gray!! I've stayed away from having them painted, because I just don't want to have to worry about chipping.
You really never learn how to swear until you learn to drive...
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Kevin
Dodge Dakota
12/04/2001
02:32:43
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WOW, sweet wheels Hawkeye!!! :)
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Dan Gruber
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12/04/2001
07:35:09
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Thanks for all the positive comments on my truck! But I've got to give Hawkeye credit here. When I saw the pics of his lifted QC I knew I had to do something with mine and I knew I wanted the same black wheels...something about the black wheels and green paint just looks mean! Seeing his truck in person a couple of weekends ago got me thinking even harder about what I could do. Maybe he should start a truck design school or something.
Dan
2000 CC SLT 4.7 4X4 Auto 3.55 LSD
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Hawkeye
*GenIII*
12/04/2001
11:27:36
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LOL @ Kevin!! Thanks. :-)
Yes Dan, I agree, the black rims do add a certain attitude to the truck. And the price cant be beat as well. Think I'll pass on the design thing, just end up getting people mad with my crazy ideas.
'00 QC 4x4
4.7 3.55 LSD
33x12.50 Pro Comp X-T's
http://johnammons.tripod.com/home.html
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Knobbyman
GenIII
12/04/2001
11:57:50
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How'd you do the fender flairs? I was considering the same thing. I'm glad it turned out for you this might just be the push I needed to do it myself.... and I could do my tool box while I'm at it.
'01 Graphite QC 4x4
4.7 3.55 LSD
http://www.knobbyman.com
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Dan Gruber
GenIII
12/04/2001
12:25:34
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I pulled the fender flares off, sanded the paint off leaving a rough surface texture, then did two coats with the roller. The flares are attached with screws that have an allen head (don't remember what size) and really sticky double-sided tape. But Dodge also uses one plastic pop-in rivet on each flare, which I had to break. I still need to remove the flares again and put some different tape in there, and I'll replace the plastic rivet with a screw. FYI: after pulling the flares off I found a lot of dirt underneath the flare...if I lived in an area that salted the roads I'd be very concerned about rust underneath the flares.
Dan
2000 CC SLT 4.7 4X4 Auto 3.55 LSD
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Knobbyman
GenIII
12/04/2001
14:25:10
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Cool thanks for the info.. When I do my new rear bumper & Tool Box I'm going to have to try the flairs.. I'd REALLY!! like some close up pics of the flairs if you could e-mail um to me that'd ROCK!
'01 Graphite QC 4x4
4.7 3.55 LSD
http://www.knobbyman.com
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Knobbyman
GenIII
12/04/2001
15:51:19
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Another question for ya.... Does that stuff wash off of paint or is it easy to get off if you do get some on the paint?
'01 Graphite QC 4x4
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http://www.knobbyman.com
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Dan Gruber
GenIII
12/04/2001
17:02:02
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I'll try to get a couple of pics to you this evening of the fender flares.
It wipes off easily right after you put it on. The longer you leave it on, the harder it is to get off. And once it has completely dried, forget about getting it off. If you're going to do the flares I'd highly encourage you to take them off. Then you don't have to worry about accidentally removing paint from the body when you're sanding, and you don't have to worry about getting any of the liner material on the paint. I did my flares last, so I wound up leaving them off overnight so they were completely dry before putting them on.
I'll take the pictures of the flares before it gets dark, then I'll post some tips on surface prep and application. That post should be up sometime this evening.
Dan
2000 CC SLT 4.7 4X4 Auto 3.55 LSD
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Dan Gruber
GenIII
12/04/2001
17:40:12
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Knobbyman,
I put 3 more pics in my photo briefcase at
http://photos.yahoo.com/dangruber
The photos are of the LR fender, RF fender, and the RR part of the bumper.
Tips:
1. Pull the flares before prepping and coating them. The extra few minutes spent pulling them off and re-installing them later will be more than made up for because no taping will be required and you won't have to be nearly as careful when sanding.
2. Sanding: I used 120 grit just to make sure I got a good surface for the herculiner to grab onto. I then went over it all again with the scuff pad provided in the kit. I probably took off more paint than I needed to, but I just wanted to make sure that the stuff stuck, so I went down to primer, with bare metal showing in a few spots. I didn't tape off before I sanded, but I was EXTREMELY careful when sanding to make sure I didn't go too far. Also, make sure you use a good wax remover (xylene) before sanding so you're not just grinding wax deep into the paint.
3. Application: do two coats, and make sure you have 2-3 complete, identical rollers available. The instructions said that you could clean the roller between coats, but I couldn't get the roller off after the first coat, and the handle was sticking really bad to the gloves anyway. BUY MORE LATEX GLOVES THAN YOU THINK YOU NEED! I used about 6 complete pairs that day, changing them every time I stopped applying the stuff. That will also minimize accidental damage to anything you happen to touch when working with the herculiner. Also, I'd stick with something other than a regular paint roller. I used large cell foam rollers and got good texture. A regular paint roller would probably leave fuzzy stuff on the surface.
4. Miscellaneous: I used low adhesion painters tape (the blue stuff) because it lifts up easier when you're done. I called the herculiner tech line and asked them if I should use a wire tape (they said I could but it wasn't necessary), and how long to wait before pulling up the tape (they said 20 minutes after the 2nd coat)...as long as the stuff is still tacky the tape will come up and make a clean cut line.
It's easy to do. Just give yourself plenty of time and prep carefully, and you should get good results.
Dan
2000 CC SLT 4.7 4X4 Auto 3.55 LSD
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Knobbyman
GenIII
12/04/2001
23:01:40
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WOW instructions all here VERY NICE!! Wal-mart sells this stuff don't they? or ... I think I heard somewhere that Sams does is that correct? So... basically this is like painting w/ rollers but using sticky paint and you have to sand first.
If I can get everything together I'm going to have to do it this weekend.... I think *need to check my bank first :-)* Just the flairs lower part of the front bumper & my new rear bumper.
How long did it take you... From start to finish... including the dry time... If you have a rough guess that'll work.
'01 Graphite QC 4x4
4.7 3.55 LSD
http://www.knobbyman.com
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2THEXTRM
GenIII
12/04/2001
23:47:02
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OK, I have been on every website and called their sales/tech lines trying to find me a wheel/tire package with 305/70-16's ProComp XT's and Black Rock Crawlers and here is what I have found. They do not make The rockcrawlers in any size or color for my Dak and American Racing 767's are on back order? What's a lifted Dak Owner to do? I really do not want to spend $100+ per aluminum aftermarket wheel right now but instead want to join the Black Wheel Gang for less and maybe upgrade to aluminum's later if they don't look good with my Bright Silver Paint. Anyone have any suggestions to my dilemma, I really do not want to buy wheels from one place and tires from another as the price goes up considerably when you add in seperate shipping/handling, Mounting/Balancing and Centers/Lugs that are all included when you get a package deal. I am desperate to get these stock wheels/tires off since I installed body lift. As always, Thanks!
Flowmaster stainless cat back, Air Raid CAD and homemade TB connect, Splitfire Plugs, 180 T-stat, .76 TPS, 3
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josh
Dodge Dakota
12/05/2001
06:12:19
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2THEXTRM, call Tyres International they should give you the best prise on just about anything out there or they'll try at least. and Dan, after the first of the year i'm doin my Dak the same way, i've just didn't know what it would look like. i was mainly waiting on someone else to do it fist. i'm glad it turn out so good. you did a great job, thanks for be "Different".
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Dan Gruber
GenIII
12/05/2001
06:19:01
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I can't believe I'm saying this, but I got the wheels and the herculiner at pep boys. The wheels were about $42 each plus $9 (!) for the center caps...I ordered them on a Sunday and had them in my hands on the following Thursday. Got all the sandpaper, rollers, tape, gloves, etc at home depot.
It took me about 10 hours start to finish, but I also had to spend a lot of time prepping the bumpers, grill, and lower body, and that includes letting it get dry enough to drive since I didn't do this at home. If I had just done the flares and lower bumpers I'd say roughly 5-6 hours, including letting it get dry enough to take on the road, maybe 3-4 without the dry time.
If you want to play with how it will look, just manipulate a photo of your truck on the computer. I played around with adobe photoshop for quite a while before I decided on the look that I wanted.
Dan
2000 CC SLT 4.7 4X4 Auto 3.55 LSD
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Dan Gruber
GenIII
12/05/2001
06:21:35
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Hawkeye,
See what you started with your wheels?
Dan
2000 CC SLT 4.7 4X4 Auto 3.55 LSD
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2THEXTRM
GenIII
12/05/2001
07:31:52
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Well I tried a web search for tyres international and cannot locate a useable link, anyone have the web address? Also, Pepboys has some good deals and I myself have bought alot of "stuff" there when I did not want to wait a week for it to come in the mail, so had I checked with them last week and they do not sell ProComp tires and do not stock the wheel for my truck. With the national backorder on 767's(salesman said was due to new truck owners taking off their expensive aluminum wheels to put on snow tires with "cheap" wheels), they said it could be 3-4 months before they will be available again which means springtime. If I have to, I'll just bye a damn white wagon wheel(same rim only white) and paint it black!
I am startin to think that Hawkeye is the cause of this National Backorder on 767-'s...:) You have stocks in American Racing Hawk?
Flowmaster stainless cat back, Air Raid CAD and homemade TB connect, Splitfire Plugs, 180 T-stat, .76 TPS, 3
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Knobbyman
GenIII
12/05/2001
08:28:24
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LOL bad Hawkeye.... wait let me get a product.. you put it on your truck and I'll be come a multi BILLIONAIRE!! MUAHHAAA HA AHAAA
(yes it's to early for me 2)
'01 Graphite QC 4x4
4.7 3.55 LSD
http://www.knobbyman.com
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Lesley
GenIII
12/05/2001
09:56:29
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Watch out Hawkeye! You know where he works.... I don't think you want to try out any of those products
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black. Auto 3.55
Quick D Intake, JBA Stainless headers
Autolite 3923s with Borg Warner Wires
Awaiting Installation: Borla catback, V8 R/T TB
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Knobbyman
GenIII
12/05/2001
11:08:59
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lol forgot about that... I was thinking I would come up w/ some "new design" ;-)
'01 Graphite QC 4x4
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Lesley
GenIII
12/05/2001
13:35:37
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Like a new "truck bra"? LOL!!!!!
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black. Auto 3.55
Quick D Intake, JBA Stainless headers
Autolite 3923s with Borg Warner Wires
Awaiting Installation: Borla catback, V8 R/T TB
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Hawkeye
*GenIII*
12/05/2001
13:59:57
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Try 4 Wheel parts for the rims.
For the sake of maintaining dignity, I must wait and think of my response before replying to recent post's.
'00 QC 4x4
4.7 3.55 LSD
33x12.50 Pro Comp X-T's
http://johnammons.tripod.com/home.html
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Knobbyman
GenIII
12/05/2001
14:20:44
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GAH lesley made it sound all kinds of bad.. I was thinking truck stuff.. and she picks up on bras... Jezz.. OH get this.. I'm now the 4th best sales person @ the store I work at..... and I only work about 8 hours a week.
'01 Graphite QC 4x4
4.7 3.55 LSD
http://www.knobbyman.com
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Lesley
GenIII
12/05/2001
14:50:07
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Gee Knobbyman, did I say that was bad? Congrats on doing so well at it, you must have real aptitude.
:)
97 3.9 V6 Sport Club Cab. Black. Auto 3.55
Quick D Intake, JBA Stainless headers
Autolite 3923s with Borg Warner Wires
Awaiting Installation: Borla catback, V8 R/T TB
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