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ALASKAN155
Dodge Dakota
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8/10/2005
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 Subject: Ford TTB 2 88 Dakota
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been thinking about putting a TTB dana 44 on my 88 dodge dakota 4x4 and getting rid of that stupid independent stuff. i been looking at it(exploded views off autozones site) and it looks like it may be possible to drill and mount every thing,(don't know how to weld). so how hard would it be to adapt something like this to a dakota, it isn' t my DD driver, so i can take as long as i want.
i really like this dakota, but the aftermarket kinda
sucks, so i figure if i did this conversion it would open up a few more lift companies and maybe get rid of that IFS. but i don't want to weaken the truck, so how hard do you think something like this would be, what are the pros and Cons, thanks.
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jam0o0
Dodge Dakota
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8/10/2005
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i've got a ford bronco with that TTB stuff. trust me you don't want the hasles. if you want to do something about your font syspention solid axle. dana 44 or 60 if you do hardcore stuff. trust me on this one. the TTB dones aline, is hard to lift right. anyone who has a lifted TTB would rather have a streight axle. i'm sure more people will back me up on this.
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ALASKAN155
Dodge Dakota
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8/11/2005
03:17:11
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well, i wanna solid axle it, but i don't know how to weld or have the stuff to weld,so that ttb stuff looked to be the easiest to swap and isn"t that what this guy is usinng with the coils??http://www.utahwest.com/truck/conv.htm
i was thinking a mid 80s f150 4x4 would do the trick and be the easiest to find/transfer.
here is the exploded view i am looking at
http://www.autozone.com/images/cds/gif/large/0900823d800a8dbc.gif
i wanna go the coild route becouse i heard that is the easies to do dew to how the frame is shaped up front, but i figured i would ask for your guys's help/opiniom before i tackle a job like this.thanks
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THRASHER
Dodge Dakota
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8/11/2005
13:14:34
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dont deal with the tbb. You will need to setup a trackbar and the center pivot, it is hard to get this setup to flex and you will also go through tires. you will not be able to do this without welding...there are better options though...
if you want to run coils, use a pre 79 f150 of bronco axle. It is a drivers drop and reverse-cut high pinion, you should be able to find coil buckets that botl on, but you will still need to mount the radius arms to the frame. the steering is simple to take care of....check out PartsMike and he will have everything to get your steering setup. with this setup, you will need a track bar, which makes it more complicated to setup, but still less involved than seting up a TBB setup....
If you want to run leaf springs, you wont need a trackbar if you run wide enough springs, I would use waggy 7 leaf springs, they are 2.5in wide and flex really good. you can by a slickrock shackle hangers for a cj7, run a shackle forward design, and bolt the spring hanger to the rear frame rails, If you keep the spring width 31.5in you can swap in most axles since that is a standard width...steering would be as simple as a nice crossover setup using one flat-top knuckle on the passenger side...
hit me up if you have any questions....
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ALASKAN155
Dodge Dakota
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8/11/2005
14:58:34
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ok, so basically the 79,80 uses a solid axle, but has coils/radius arms(which would be easier to setup) thats cool, i was trying to figure out how i was going to do the center pivot on the ttb since it hooks up to the engine crossmember anyhow.
so how hard would it be to find a 79-80 Bronco/f-150 down in Oklaoma/Northern texas area?? I probally be looking to buy the frame with the axles atached that way i can get a matching 9inch rear and see how everything is setup,
in the exploded view, i see rivits for the coil buckets and radius arm mounts, does this hold true on the actually viechle or did ford weld them on??
i the track bar the bar that drops down from the DS frame and attaches to the PS of the axle, if it is that still dosent look to bad, but i could be wrong.
thanks for the replies,
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THRASHER
Dodge Dakota
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8/11/2005
16:12:45
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I would go to the ford dealer and buy new coil buckets becasue I think the are rivited...shouldnt be that hard to find the axles, I see them in junkyards a lot...
register over on pirate4x4.com and put an add in the wanted section of the classifieds, it is a no BS site so be specific or your post will get deleted....
some of the ford cargo vans use a low profile radius are mount that would work great for you, if you need anything fabbed, look local and have someone build you a crossmember.....
hit me up with an email and I will send you some links, ddont check here that often now that I have a jeep....
Kevin@norcalimaging.com
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kyle
Dodge Dakota
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8/12/2005
00:55:05
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I have a 93 2wd dakota that i am thinking of putting a 2wd TTB setup, off an f-150, under for my prerunner build, i havent really begun the research on it yet but im sure it can be done, in your case though i think you would be better off going solid axle, like a dana 44 depending on how hard you intend to wheel. either way keep us posted so we can expand our dakotas horizons.
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ALASKAN155
Dodge Dakota
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8/12/2005
02:21:57
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well i called around to a few places and found a 78 axle out of a f150, the JY want $250,but he wasent sure if the radius arms where still attached(are they removable?).
so i guess between now and january i am going to start gathering parts amd slowly putting this thing together, i got to buy my school books 1st and a new PC(this one is about to die on me) before i can start the project(limit budget until I finish school), but i see me doing it since i can get a front axle for $250,
got 2 more ?, on the ford 9inch rear, will it drop in or will i have to get with a welder and move the spring perches?
and the second, will the mounts off a I-beam f150 like the radius arms mounts and coil buckets work, that or that stuff for the 2wd ttb,i know that is a popular setup i saw the other day in the junkyard, especial on some early 90's f150s
thanks
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THRASHER
Dodge Dakota
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8/12/2005
16:50:08
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dont know if the perches are the right width on the 9in, but you will want to have them welded so you can set your pinion angle correctly...
the only mounts that work ore ones that are 79 or before. The arms are romovable, but the mounts arent without a lot of work. The C's the the arms mount to on the axle tube are either welded or cast. the welded ones can be ground off, the the C's that are cast and cant be remove without weakening the housing...
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4wDakota
GenIII
8/19/2005
16:00:04
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Going through all the trouble of fabbing up mounts for a TTB setup is a complete waste of money. The TTB suspension is just as crappy as IFS. Go with a true solid axle, no more fab work than the TTB crap and you'll be able to align a solid axle. Good luck getting the TTB stuff to align correctly
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alaskan155
Dodge Dakota
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8/20/2005
15:40:09
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well, 4wDakota, i decieded i am going to go solid axle, but i not doing anything fancy like a 4-link suspinsion, etc.
i plan on using a pre-79 f150 front axle, which is a coil spring setup, and basically setting it up like a stock f150 setup to start out with, which means i am going to drill and mount all the f-150s stock bracketry(since according to autozone they are held on with rivites), then i will probally get with a welder and reinforce the bracketty. looks to be the easiest setuo to do, dew to the frame setup.
like i said though i am on a limited budget and i am going to be slowly gathering the parts.
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Walt_Felix
Dodge Dakota
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8/21/2005
09:48:36
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Not to bust you’re bubble but you’ll need to plan this out considerably before you open your toolbox. This is not a bolt in swap for a novice. Expect this project to put your truck out of commission for a few months so you’ll need another set of wheels to drive in the interim. Also, it’s not the cost of the axle that makes it an expensive swap, it’s all the little miscellaneous and “While it’s apart” items that will break the budget. First off, a nearly 30 year old, $250 junkyard axle will most likely need a thorough going through before you put it in the truck. Most commonly those were 3.55/open carriers, which is not what you’re going to want if you plan on off-roading it with larger tires. You’ll probably want to change the ratio, maybe a locker but you’ll definitely should go through the whole axle and replace bearing, seals, etc. You’ll probably need to change the ratio and rebuild the rear axle as well to match. And since your Dakota is a 5 on 4½” bolt pattern and the bronco axle is a 5 on 5 ½” bolt pattern, you’ll need new rims also. You’ll need to plan for brackets for the axles, shocks and radius arms, springs, steering parts, brake parts (hard lines and cables included), drive shaft modifications, and a whole list of thing we haven’t even thought of yet.
Take you time and do all your homework before you start. You have a lot of stuff you’ll need to figure out first before you put the first tool in you hand.
I helped a friend do a SAS on his 98 Dakota last year and it’s a lot of work. He spent more time trying to locate parts and figuring out unplanned problems than he did with actual fabrication. We started in late July and the truck didn’t move under it’s own power until mid Sept. with the final piece (the front drive shaft) installed mid Oct. I think he said he had a little over $6000 into the swap by the time he was done.
Here’s a link to a guy who did the same swap you’re considering on his 92 Dakota. He got his axle for $500 ($250 an axle like you) and by the time he was done, he had a little over $7900 into the project. And that was 1999 prices. However he did go with ARB locking differentials and air pump, which added $1500 to the final cost. But if you subtract that, he still spent over $6000.
http://www.utahwest.com/truck/conv.htm
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alaskan155
Dodge Dakota
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8/21/2005
13:08:27
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yeah, i know, an axle from a JY can be in any condition, i also know there are those little parts, so like i said i am going to gather the major parts slowly, and take my time, im honestly not expecting it to be bolt on, i first need to get the front axle, mounting brackets, coils springs, etc so i can start taking measurements, and figureout my game plan to get the axle in. i know i am going to run a crossover steering setup, so that is going to cost some money to have setup.
as for the driveshaft i know i will need a new rear driveshaft, but as for the front, i heard the stock one will wrk with a spicer U-joint, but if it needs replaced ill replace that, which those are a few houndred by them selves.
it will be fine if the truck is down, i bought it to be a project truck, my DD is a 2000 ford ranger 2.5l 4 cylinder
as for the utahwest guy, he paid to have someone install his axle, so for the "Configure and install axles, springs, shocks, driveshafts and emergency brake cables $3500"
that is probally mostly labor charges added in because i called around and that is the rate today to install a front axle if i provide the axle.($4500 without front axle)
then you got
Curry slip yoke eliminator and new rear driveshaft $600
ARB locking differentials and air pump $1500 ARB installation and 4:11 gears $1000
all stuff that can be done at a later date,
so you looking at $7910- $3500-$600-$1500-$1000=$1310
$1310 + rear driveshaft before labor charges, and all the extra optional stuff that isn't needeed right away to get the axle in. and thats att 1999 prices.
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