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forexfour
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10/31/2002
18:56:31
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 Subject: Detroit Lockers/ Powertrax
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Does anyone have any of these on their '00 or newer?
How do you like them?
What don't you like about them?
I appriciate any feedback.
I am looking at having either one installed on the rear. The rearend shop recommends the Detroit lockers but I can find more info on the power trax. I hear Detroit is the way to go.
FXF
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born2steel21
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11/01/2002
00:38:45
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wish I could help...still waiting for gears and an lsd carrier to put mine in...its still sitting in my toolbox.
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~ Marie Ebner von Eschenbach
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Chaximus
Dodge Dakota
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11/01/2002
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I got the powertrax in my rear. I would recommend this locker over detroit if your truck is ur daily driver. With the powertrax, i hardly notice the locker is there, and it rarely chirps and hops on turns. Only when i put it in reverse and turn at an angle, there's a jolt which means it's locking. Off road....well...it's the best :) Locks when u need it, even before u need it, and will get u through the toughest spots easily. Only negative side about it that i can think of is that it tears up my yard :( I park in the grass and when i back up at an agle, the tires tear up the grass cuz both are turning at the same speed, unlike open diffs. Overall, it's a great economical locker for daily driving trucks. Haven't tested it in the snow yet but will very soon.
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forexfour
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11/01/2002
10:34:32
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Chaximus,
I did allot of research and I agree with what you say. Now hearing someone who has them back up the power trax just confirms.
I found a very informative site that compares all of the different lockers.
Power Trax does seem to have a type of lsd tech for turns to limit or prevent chirping, Although its actual performance seems to be in question.
I will schedule the install and go with it.
Thanks for your input!
FXF
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forexfour
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11/01/2002
11:51:57
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Looks like I will have to go with a Detroit Locker since I have the 8 1/4 axel. Power trax does not offer lockers for this axel.
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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11/01/2002
12:03:06
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chaximus which power trax do you have? I have the lock right and I am very happy with it's performance. I have only come across one 4x4 that can out do me in the mud.
the noslip is more expensive but it is smotther in operation. my lockright is by no means rogh in my opinion but I have had others tell me it is kinda rough. I can hear my tires being rough on the road though it's kind of like when you drive a atv on the road. and I can tell my back tires are wearing faster then my front tires.
all in all I would definately get one on another vehicle though and I would deffinately do it again if I had to do it over.
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UWGriz
Dodge Dakota
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11/01/2002
14:02:13
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forexfour
They make them for the 8.25:
http://www.powertrax.com/dodgetruckns.pdf
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forexfour
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11/01/2002
15:33:10
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UWGriz,
Thanks for the link but that will not work with LSD, it has to be an open diff. This seems to be another questionable area for our Dakota's.
For those that have the Power Trax no slip do you have a 9.25 axel or a 8.25? Do you have LSD or open end?
More research has pointed to the Detroit being the better No slip lockers and Power Trax is a fine option as well. Research shows that the Power Trax is more likely to fail sooner. But I think either way you can't go wrong just spend more money.
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forexfour
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11/01/2002
16:01:39
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For clarification can anyone straighten me out here???
I think I am now more confused then when I started.
Open end differantial, is this a LSD?
I called three shops to order Power Trax for my truck, they all say they do not make one for the 8.25 axel with lsd.
OK, Then UWGriz post this info so I call Power Trax. They say no it wont work on 8.25 axel with lsd.
I already have the Detroit locker coming since it seems that I do not have the knowledge to know what I am talking about. I read up on the axel in the Dakota Service manual and I thought I cleared up my questions. Now I am back at not understanding exaclty what I have and what I need.
BORN2STEEL21,
You say you are waiting for a lsd carrier and gears, you have a 99, what Axel type?
Although I already have the Detroit Locker on the way and I am staying with that, Can anyone unconfuse me here?
FXF
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UWGriz
Dodge Dakota
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11/01/2002
16:36:32
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An open differential is not the same as limited slip (lsd). I looked and you're right it looks like they only make one for the open diffs so yes, your option is the Detroit unless you want to swap to an open diff. But now I'm confused. Born2steel21, if you don't currently have the lsd carrier, aren't you all set to install the locker (once you get the gears)?
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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11/01/2002
16:41:43
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mine was 9.25 open.
lsd and open are different. and open axle sends power to the spinning wheel. and lsd directs about 20% of power to the wheel with traction.
a locker gives a perfect 50/50 distribution between both wheels.
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forexfour
GenIII
11/01/2002
16:50:19
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OK so I am not confused. That makes me feel better.
I beleive that Power trax does make No slip lockers for the 9.25 axel with lsd, goto this link:
http://www.truckperformance.com/products/?searchtype=d&sortorder=&urlsubcategory=Drivetrain&productcategory=Lockers%2FNo+Slip+Differentials&sf1=DODGE&sf2=2000&sf3=DAKOTA
Thanks guys for the quick response to clear this up. I hope this also helps other out!
FXF
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conig
Dodge Dakota
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11/01/2002
18:15:17
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it's the last one on the page lol. but they don't make the lockright for the 9.25 with limited slip.
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2THEXTRM
GenIII
11/01/2002
18:26:51
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Maybe a GB on the PowerTrax if their is enough interest? I am sick of the one tire spin when I need both rear wheels turning due to no LSD!
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arthur
Dodge Dakota
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11/01/2002
19:51:49
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Chris and everyone else,
I think you guys are a little mixed up so i will put in my 2 cents. I am by no means saying you all are wrong and i'm right, but in the research i have done over the past few months this is what i have learned...
You CAN'T have LSD AND a locker unless...
a. you actually buy one of the very expensive lockers that allow LSD like the new Jeep Rubicon.
b. the ARB or OX locker might allow some LSD application.
The simple facts of the matter are you cant have your cake and eat it too. These are your options...
a. open diff with no locker or LSD
b. LSD
c. Locker with no LSD
d. Super hi-tech units that cost an arm and leg to have both...again, like the Dana 44's in Jeep Rubicons.
So sorry guys, no LSD and Locker together. You aren't crazy Chris, you can't have the LSD 8.25 axle with a locker, but you can have the 8.25 with a locker and no LSD.
2002 SXT 4X4 3.9L 3.92LSD
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Chaximus
Dodge Dakota
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11/01/2002
20:52:22
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OK, i have the 8.25 axle and they do supply the no slip for that axle (obviously) and it runs like a normal stock axle. I am running the no slip right now and i can't say anything bad about it since it's completely hidden. My rear tires are not wearing down as much as the front (turning) so i can say the locker does not affect tire wear. I was told by the company that the no slip improves gas mileage and also improves tire wear. I'm not totally sure about LSD and and no slip, but i hear alot that you can't have both.
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forexfour
GenIII
11/01/2002
22:14:01
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That is what was so confusing Arthur.
By the way Missed you at Hollister Sorry youcould not make it. Pismo Thanksgiving???
Anyway if you look at the Power Trax link I posted for the 9.25 Axel options for the NO SLIP lockers. The bottom one is for a LSD 9.25 axel. This is where the confusion started.
I do not have the 9.25 axel(thought I did till I checked) I have the 8.25 so I thought it would be a simple matter just ask for the 8.25 lsd no slip Power Trax lockers. No such thing. You can only get the No Slip locker for the open differential on the 8.25 axel.
So what is the difference in how you can have a No slip for a 9.25 axel lsd but not a 8.25 axel.
So when I absorbed all of this I was totally lost. I never thought that you would have LSD and No slip together, I just got confused. I am still not quit understanding the Power Trax deal but I do know that I can't go wrong with the Detroit No Slip Locker for strength and durability and that is what it is all about.
I really have learned allot about these lockers and can not wait to get them on and put them to the test.
Thanks for the input! Pismo 11-28 - 29.
Chris
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Ed Halterman
Dodge Dakota
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11/03/2002
23:31:26
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Pismo?? Hmmm............ Camping on the beach or moteling it?? I'm off that Th-Sat, gotta work Sunday, I'm game for it, just name a place and I'll give you my cell #, will try to get some buds to go if ya want.....
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born2steel21
GenIII
11/04/2002
00:19:27
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forexfour...I'm kinda confused as well...the guy I bought my lift from threw in the powertrax for free, when he went to install it he said he couldn't do it because I needed an lsd carrier (I have 8.25 open) to install it...he said it cost around $30...I don't know much about axle's and I haven't really started to look into it yet...waiting on money for gears
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forexfour
GenIII
11/04/2002
10:29:56
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Pismo,
We will be staying in SLO Thursday and Friday as far as I can tell right now.
I will post when I know for sure what the plan is and if it comes together.
As far these lockers go still confusing but I got what I need.
FXF
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Loctite
Dodge Dakota
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1/20/2003
01:14:38
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Lots of people pretty much have to order LSD as
part of a package when ordering certain options.
So, you're sort of stuck with it, whether u want
LSD or not.
The cones in them will wear out with time
however, like brake pads do, making them quite
useless after a few years.
When that happens, why not replace the axle with
a normal open diff (or even gut the limited-slip
part from the factory axle, if possible) and put
the locker in then?
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kent
Dodge Dakota
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1/20/2003
13:56:49
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I put a Aurburn Sure Grip locker in my Durango, I have had 3 Street / Strip cars and have put Aurburn SureGrip Locker Diffs in all. They are good on the street and a tough Posi in the Dirt.
They are 300.00 less than the Detroit Locker and are big and strong. All gears and no friction pads, the spider gears are 30% bigger than a stock Diff.
Kent
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