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Dodster
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7/22/2002
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Subject: I'm giving up...buyin' a JEEP
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I'm giving up on trying to go off roading with my 2k truck. IFS sucks off road. As Knobbyman said even with a suspension lift you ain't gonna get hardly any extra clearance. AND you can forget about articulation you ain't gonna get any flex out of IFS. Soooo.....I'm buying a Jeep. I'm keeping my truck it's still a great truck. Just can't climb big rocks with it.

What do you guys think of this....

1981 Jeep Scrambler w/
1984 360 V8 balanced and blueprinted,I have the paperwork
ARB lockers front and rear
4 wheel disc brakes
Jacobs Super Coil
Dual oil filters
Full roll cage
4" susp lift
JVC stereo cassette
Cobra CB Radio
33x12.50 BFG MT 50% or so tread
Extra air compressor in bed for tires and such this is in addition to ARB compressor
All original gauges and switches work
Extra gauges:
Brake pressure
Oil temp
Oil pressure
Vacuum
Transmisson temp
Water temp
Fuel pressure
Also has fuel cell mounted in bed
Battery also mounted in bed
Also has 5 point racing seat belts
8000 lb Ramsey winch and custom bumper
Body is in Fair condition some rust and scratches

Do you guys think $4500 is too much??!!



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7/22/2002
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I guess it just depends on what you enjoy doing. The Dakota never claimed to crawl over rocks! It has other talents.

That price sounds like a steal. I say go for it.



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7/23/2002
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Holy crap.. $4,500 for a cj-8 ..

BUY THAT NOW!!

I almost bought a '84 Scrambler for $5,000 bairly running.

If your going to crawl rocks I'd go under and stiffen up the frame because the Scrambler has quite abit of frame flex to it.

Also what axles are in it?

Ya know what.. nevermind don't buy that.. instead give me the guys phone number and I'll see what I can do for ....... um.. you.. yea I'll be thinking about you when I'm driving my new Jeep. :-p

Seriously though that's a awesome deal.

Keep this URL handy. Anything you need to get for Scramblers can be found by these guys. http://www.collinsbrosjeep.com/

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7/23/2002
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I would buy it in a heartbeat. It hass a few grand in add ons. Other than a littlerust, but thats not that big of a deal.



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7/23/2002
21:42:05

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Hey guys don't get me wrong I love my truck especially since Fastman Tb install. It's ok for moderate to slightly difficult trails but you can forget the really rough stuff. My frame has really taken a beating. That's another reason for getting something older and used.

Thanks for the link Knobby I might be doing some things to the jeep myself although there ain't much left to do.

I forgot to mention it has this neat gauge mounted on the dash. It has two dials on it with icon of jeep. One gives left to right degree of angle the other gives front to back degree of angle for those off camber moments. I think I really lucked into something neat here. I pick it up tomorrow (Wed).



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7/23/2002
22:20:54

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Sounds like a great deal Dodster, I got an '84 CJ7, full cage, 4.11's, 8000 lb. Warn, etc.

You're gonna love the Jeep, mine will go just about anywhere I want to go, took it on vacation cross country once.

Yeah I think they call that gauge a tilt-o-meter or something like that, pretty neat.

Good luck with it!



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7/23/2002
23:04:14

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yep .. it's a cool gague.. But.. when you roll the first time.. remember what angles u were at ;-)

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Dodster
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7/24/2002
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I used to own a 83 CJ7 back in 80s and I loved it. But wrecked it and insurance went sky high. I had to sell it.

Knobby, I don't remember what axles are in it (so much stuff to remember!!!)but I will look at info sheet it's on there. It has a Dana 300 transfer case and it has a 3:54 gear. I'm not that familiar with that gear ratio. The guy could've meant 3:55. But as much effort as this guy put into it he probably knows what he's talking about. The 3:54 could be for some old AMC axles. But then again a lot of different auto makers made parts for AMC.



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7/24/2002
08:25:42

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If it's stock I believe that year had Dana 30 Front & Rear but I very well could be mistaken.

Great.. You realize I hate you now .... You've gotten me back into the "I could afford it if I don't eat lunch 7 days a week" mind set.

Hehe.. Have fun with that thing.

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Dodster
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7/24/2002
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Knobby don't hate me man, I might have to pull you out of a hole someday!!! ;-) hehehe

Does this mean you don't want to see any pics when I take them??



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7/24/2002
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Heck yea.. Take a bunch when you first get it.. and a bunch while your cleanin it up.

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Zeke
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7/24/2002
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Dodster -
Sounds like a good deal, buy it! I own an 82' CJ8 and it is the balls.
Check for bad rust in the back of the bed between the gas tank from underneath.

Question on the CJ8 - It says ARB's front and rear...what extactly is the front and rear? Stock Dana 30 and stock AMC 20? Also, what is the gears? 2.73s? Have they been upgraded? What is the tranny? Transfer case? Noticed it says discs all around, have the axles been upgraded?
...you can little r me on this....I tend to get carried away when it comes to CJ8s.... ;)>

-Zeke



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7/24/2002
22:24:23

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Ok Knobby, Zeke here goes

Engine:
360 V-8 Bored 60 thousands over bal & blueprinted
R-V low torque camshaft
Howell throttle body fuel injected "closed loop"
Holley fuel pump
Mallory pusher pump
Dual remote oil filters
Mepco AMC 4 core CJ radiator
Jacobs ignition system w/8mm pure silicone wires
Cyclone in frame headers (heat wrapped)
Thrush mufflers
Engine mounted air compressor w/125 lb remote tank

Driveline:
33x12.50 BFG MT tires came on it but showed some dry rot and two had gashes and they still held air but looked sketchy. So I went to Sears and bought 4 new ones.
10" American racing wheels
Model 20 rear diff 3:54 ring and pinion welded tubes w/ spring over axle conversion Moser engineering one piece axle
Model 30 front diff 3:54 ring and pinion
Warn hubs
ARB air lockers front and rear
Napa Super Strength u joints
Extended drive shafts
Front drive shaft tube thickness .188
Rear drive shaft tube thickness .120
Dana 300 transfer case w/2:62 to 1 low
Ford T-18 tranny 6:32 to 1 granny
Center force dual friction clutch

Brakes:
Front and Rear disc brakes
Streetrod rear disc conversion
1978+ GM calipers
Rear discs for 1983 Monte Carlo
Mechanical emergency brake system from International Lever
Total Street Machinery drive line mechanical brake
Micro Hydraulic brake lock w/audible alarm

Exterior:
Nerf bars
Ramsey 8000lb winch w/interior console control
Breakaway turn signals
Rancho steering stabilizer
Rancho 5000 shocks
Currie steering box
4" drop pitman arm
4" Skykacker softride over axle lift
Rear bed mounted 30 gal gas tank

Electrical:
Air to fuel mix gauge
Custom aluminum AutoMeter gauge package with/
Mechanical oil pressure
Mechanical water temp
Mechanical oil temp
Mechanical vacuum
Electronic tranny temp
Elec volt meter
Elec amp meter
Elec tach
Tilt-o-meter
Fuel pressure
Brake pressure
B&M T-Handle shifter w/button for Micro line lock
1155 amp batt
Five button lighted switch control panel in console for air lockers and lights

Interior:
Padded roll bar
Five point seat belts
Sliding rear window
Cobra CB w/remote speaker
JVC stereo cass w/4 speakers

What else would you like to know?? This info came from some paper work the owner had. I think I got lucky. I think this guy owned stock in NAPA. There are a lot of NAPA parts on Jeep




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7/25/2002
00:37:19

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ok buy pos 4.o jeep hope its rolls over on your ass



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7/25/2002
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and knobbyman is what like 20? knobby doesnt know sh@ about tru off road he plays in mudholes and sand his truck looks awesome but its for show only



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7/25/2002
11:23:38

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Nitraking .. what the heck is your problem?

If you did know anything about off-roading you'd know that Jeeps are what almost everyone that doesn't have the money to custom build a rig for them selves.

For show only? I don't think so. I've put more hours into research and building my truck then you have even thinking about yours.

Your obviously old and bitter. Mud & Sand is all there is in this part of Texas. I'd love to see you try and drive on sand. Mud tires & sand does require skill.

And who the heck are you? Popping up in the middle of a thread bashing people? You must be that same little punk thats trying to piss everyone off.

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Dodster
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7/25/2002
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Don't waste your time on that garbage Knobby. It's easy to talk sh*t when you're hiding behind internet.



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7/25/2002
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Also Knobby that dude can't even read. His first post says 4.0 Jeep. When did I mention 4.0??



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7/25/2002
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Hehe.. good point ;-) .. ahh I love a good moron every now and then... :-\ I've already talked to 32 today at work though :(

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7/25/2002
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Great deal. Pick it up. Scramblers are pretty cool. The rear end sounds a bit small and you'll probably want to swap it out along with some new gears but it sounds pretty nice. If you're up in WA you'll have to come wheelin' with us. ; ) My 91's all set after I spent all of last weekend replacing the rear main seal and oil pan seal (kinda banged it up-started leakin'), valve cover, coolant system flush, rear diff re-seal and service, tranny service and reseal.

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7/25/2002
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4500????? and it has all that??? is it stolen or something?!?!?! holy shiznit... half that stuff is worth far more then 4500 heck id buy it for the parts even if it didnt run



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7/27/2002
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research? knobby what kind? in texas? lol dude my truck 01 has a million scratches from true off roading yours? call me a moron and hang with your lame ass dak computer geeks but dont tell me about sand and mudholes is all we have in texas dude get out! where i live that is pussy crap and i hate the forum checking my language commies



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7/27/2002
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man knobby i read your post and i see you are a 4 wheel god and i am crap you know everthing at the age of 20 living in a desert, obviously with a lotta mommie and daddie money you are the king dodster is your prince



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7/27/2002
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nitraking, If Knobby is King and I'm the Prince then you must be the FOOL!! You sound like you'd make a good court jester!! Or perhaps you're the Queen?? What's with the agressvie tones? Are you like a pissed off ex-girlfriend of Knobby's or something? All of a sudden you show up spewing BS. What's up with that? Or maybe you're one of those frustrated perverts who only has the balls act tough hiding behind the internet. Talk about a p*ssy!! Talk about computer geeks, if you're not using a computer to leave these posts you must have some kind of mental telepathy. I think you're just mental!! I don't really know how old Knobby is but he sounds older and/or more mature than you!! Know what I think? I think you might be a certain some one from a certain suspension company taking pot shots because their company got dogged on this forum because of their BS products!! What do you think King Knobby??lmao



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7/27/2002
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That is right I'm a fool so please pity me. That is all.



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7/27/2002
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dodster you are living a x-files kinda life with all that hocus pocus crap. i am legit nice to see you covering knobbys back hehehe lololol



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7/28/2002
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Ahh ... I needed a laugh tonight...

Well lets see here I found out I have a girl friend that owns a Dodge dealer and drives a viper and I found out I have my own court jester... THAT'S AWESOME!!! I have everything I need here how cool is that. OH!! and I mooch off parrents for everything hehe wouldn't that be nice if I didn't have to work. But if I didn't have to work I wouldn't be able to post on these boards.. so then I wouldn't have any of this cool stuff.

Anyway I never said I was the king of off-road or that you were a moron and didn't know anything. People kind of figured that last part out for themselves.

BTW what do you mean when you say.. "dont tell me about sand and mudholes is all we have in texas dude get out! where i live that is pussy crap" I never claimed it was rock crawling.. I also haven't seen any pictures of you and your truck tearing anything up.

Quit your complaining if you don't like what I or this forum have to say... LEAVE!!

I'm not responding from here out.. and if you send me any more e-mails...... :-) I'm going to get to have fun at work instead of listening to lame people like you complaining.

Dodster .. what are we going to do w/ people like this? ;-)

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7/28/2002
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dude you need to ease up, did you receive my e-mail about the (our flag) you know most of these posts are crap or at least out to get your goat. guess what, when you display yourself on the internt like you do, deal with it! but all bu@@sh#t asside did you receive my e-mail about the flag and and i guess this going no where so keep sucking up those dunes and mudholes with your badass dak, I WILL NOT SEND YOU ANY MORE E-MAILS



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7/28/2002
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so i guess while i'm bending over dodster, since you are knobby's buddy, i am way out of this chat. too many feelings to hurt so if i pissed you off sorry just try my hand at pissing off the next establishment



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7/28/2002
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so there's the answer to your q to dodster "what are we going to do with people like this?" nothing because this country and the people who have made the sacrifice to keep me and my country free did so sooo now??????????



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7/28/2002
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nitraking, no need to apologize. you didn't piss me off at all. The post you left about that king and prince stuff just gave me so many ideas that I just couldn't help but have fun w/it. I don't know Knobby from anything but this forum. He has responded to many of my questions and given good advice. He doesn't usually waste time leaving senseless posts. Are you that bored w/ life that you have nothing better to do than hang around message boards trying to get people's goat? I do pity you.

As far as what to do about you? I'm going to ignore your senseless posts from now on. This is really getting past ridiculous.

You are the product of our great country. Our country was founded on the idea of tolerance. Which we all seem to be losing w/ all this political correctness crap. I might not like what you have to say but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it. It's a free country!!! You're free to say what you want. I am free to ignore you. Gotta love the USA, baby!!



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