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Jon
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4/08/2002
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My buddy has a 97 Dakota sport,this saturday hes cutting his coils and taking a leaf or 2 out of the rear end, and cutting down his bumpstops.Is this good or bad so i can warn him.
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kota on 20s
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4/08/2002
22:35:59
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well the price is verry good, BUT DONT DO IT!!!!!!!!! the ride will be HORRIBLE and that is a understatement.
Eric, 98 5.2 5speed, K&N gen II, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, JBA ciramic headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson, and a lot more
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Jon
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4/08/2002
23:01:58
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He sed he doesnt care about ride quality,but will it phuck up anything with him doing that?
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Ryan
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4/08/2002
23:03:21
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What kota said but also listen . . cuttin the coils will make the front REAL stiff and removing leafs will make the rear REAL loose . . think about it . . sounds like a 16 yr old that makes $5.50 an hour wants a sports truck but wants it for FREE. NOTHING in life is free!! Save some money and buy a drop kit . . HOTCHKIS!
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Marks DQC
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4/08/2002
23:08:34
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Amen! Kota & Ryan
2001 Dakota Quad Cab SLT , 4.7L, Auto, 3.55 LSD, Garnet Red over Slate
Zaino, Tint, Vent Guard, Gaylords Lid, Hotchkis, Bilstein, Wet Okole Covers, Painted Grill Shell w/ Ram inserts, S/S Bumper/Valence Cover, Billet Antenna, Precision Roll Pan, APC Clear Corners, Airaid, Gibson
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Jon
Dodge Dakota
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4/08/2002
23:10:58
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hes a 20 year old thickhead that wont listen to anyone,and when i sed he doesnt care about ride quality its an understatement.so will him doing this phuck up anything on his truck like a-arms or spindels or ANYTHING in the long run?
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BlackDakRacer
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4/08/2002
23:37:18
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Just his back!
~~Eric
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Jon
Dodge Dakota
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4/08/2002
23:48:04
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lol anything besides that?
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FazDak
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4/09/2002
00:05:55
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I does eventually prematurly wear out the ball joints, it put em at a bad angle they were never designed to go.
Trust me I know.
It did take like an after noon to put my front in the weeds though.
I have to say, in many ways it helped my ride, mine had alot of miles on it and all the springs were sloppy and bouncy. After I cut a coil and a half out the front it stiffened up real nice but it bottoms out REAL EASY and the sound of those A arms hitting the frame at 65 is not pleasnt.
I however didnt take leaves out as I still haul with mine from time to time.
He would be smart to put in drop spindles and relocated spring hangers, but you said that aint his way, right?
Good luck, Scott
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Jon
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4/09/2002
00:13:00
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Ok Scott,since youve tried it b4,how long did it take for the b-joints to go out?
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CASDAK
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4/09/2002
00:33:43
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Obviously, we're trying to stop the inevidible...Messing up a perfectly good Dakota! In the amount of time it would take to cut coils and remove leafs, your buddy could easily install a nice drop kit that won't totally screw up his suspension and can be "aligned" by a good alignment shop. Take our words for it...tell him not to do it! With the amount of money spent on repairing ball joints and things that will be messed up, he could easily afford a kit and even throw in some shocks. What seems to good to be true...usually is! I found out the hard way when I was younger and thought I'd save a buck or two. In the long run, I didn't.
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kota on 20s
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4/09/2002
01:10:36
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not to mencion the wasted money he is going to spend on tires wearing out prematurely due to haveing a suspencion that is not alignable.
also, if he decides to put it back to stock, he will have to pay for a stock suspencion. i hope he is going to keep it for a long time
Eric, 98 5.2 5speed, K&N gen II, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, JBA ciramic headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson, and a lot more
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FazDak
GenII
4/10/2002
19:00:07
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Well I have to honestly admit that I have no uneven tire wear, thought for sure I would but none.
Now I did have it aligned at a shop that does alot of lowered and raised vehicles so maybe thay know something a regular alingment shop dosnt, I dont know.
It took about 8000 miles to wear them out to the point they got sloppy, they were really worn out at about 5 but I just kept going.
You have to remember that I do everything on my truck myself and have been an ASE certified mechanic so anything that goes wrong I can fix.
I DONT recomend this kind of suspension mod if you cant fix anything that will happen as a result yourself.
Good luck, scott
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BaDDaK
Dodge Dakota
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4/11/2002
01:37:17
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all i will say is he can pay a little now and get a proper kit (even a cheap ass kit will be better than cutting) or he can pay alot later.
he will be sorry he did it.
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QuickRacing
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4/11/2002
21:04:04
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A buddy of mine has an S-10, and he cut the coils, well he got the look, but let me tell you that thing rides like a ton of bricks... Doesn't handle worth a sh!t. The springs are meant to be the way they are for the load of the truck.
So in short... NO! Do not cut the coils!!!
"QuickRacing"
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IntenseDak39
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4/14/2002
23:42:50
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I have a set of Fabtech 2" lift springs cut two coils (yeah... i am a cheap@ss). The thicker spring made it handle real well and i am pleased with it. I use to have leaf springs removed on the back....DONT DO IT!!!!!!! IT SUCKS!!!!!!! bouncy as h*ll and traction went to non existant. just go for some 3" blocks, they are cheap and easier to do. He might say he doesnt care about ride quality... until he rides in a truck with a empty bed and missing a couple of leafs.
intense
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Ryan
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4/18/2002
19:05:23
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If you can't afford to do it right then you have no business doing mods at all. If I am driving behind you and your stuff breaks and makes me wreck my truck or hits my truck you are gonna be out of alot more then coils and leafs. Nose, legs, arms, hands . . . I am breakin them all!! I spent good money on my truck and I hate it when I see some kid with Jigga-Rigged crap all over his car and everything on it lights up. Cut it out . . do it right or leave it alone!!!!! NUFF SAID!!!!
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IntenseDak39
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4/18/2002
21:24:06
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Sorry.... but i am sticking with my cut coils... they handle well and are stronger than most out there....
intense
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FazDak
GenII
4/19/2002
14:36:04
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Ryan, are you studyin Criminal Law to be an officer or what?
No offense but I have enough money to buy your house and a few of your trucks if I wanted.
You do make a good point though, people who dont know the limitations of modified parts should not mess with them but there are some of us who have considerable automotive knowledge and modify parts that wont do what you discribed.
Hope your carreer in law inforcement works out for you.
Scott
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Doc
Dodge Dakota
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2/04/2003
04:14:05
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Ryan, you sound like an expert a-hole.
What the F does "Jigga-Rigged" mean? Did you mean to say "Nigger-Rigged"? Because I've heard a red neck, racist, ignorant son of a bitch say that before but I've never heard "Jigga-Rigged". Also, you must be about 60 years old saying things like "everything on it lights up." OOOOH! those blasted youngsters with their new-fangled light up watcha-ma-call-its and their store bought hair cuts! Right? God Forbid anything change from the time when dinasaurs roamed earth and you would go out hot-doggin in your fathers auto-mo-carriage!
Now, in reply I cut the coils on my 99 Dakota and shortly after bought control arms and installed them with new facotory coils, and am very happy, skip my mistake and just buy control arms!
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TIM
Dodge Dakota
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2/04/2003
21:08:45
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SOUNDS LIKE AFRICAN ENGINEERING TO ME, DONT DO IT. IF YOU CANT AFFORD TO PLAY IT RIGHT DONT PLAY THIS GAME
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funny
Dodge Dakota
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2/05/2003
01:00:12
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doc thats FÛcken the same thing i thought when i was reading that.
come on ryan it may not be the right thing to do but i highly doubt his truck is gonna fall apart!!
ryan u shouldn't write checks ur ass has no chance of cashin...nice e-mail to pussy!!
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tukn18s
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2/05/2003
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These guys have a very good piont!!! why waste a whole afternoon taken your coils out and hacken em, when soon enough your gonna be taken em out to replace em with the real deal??? If you cant afford 60 dollars for some dropped coils, you mighth as well go rican style and save your afternoon and heat em up!!! lay em low (the right way)
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razor
Dodge Dakota
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2/05/2003
17:51:00
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I personally would never try to cut coils or heat them..... not safe. But you guys are getting vicious.... sound like a bucnch of bitches.. the kid wants to do it... let em learn the hard way.... litteraly.
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Lemmers
Dodge Dakota
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2/06/2003
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Cutting coils for a MILD drop works great. I'd
say 1 to 2" drop MAX.
It's really entertaining to read all the "I cut 4
complete coils and my truck rode like crap on
the bumpstops" stories. No Sh_t!
There's nothing wrong with cutting coils as
long as you don't go crazy or cut too much. I'd
be willing to bet my Quad with cut RT front
coils rides a lot better than most drops using
Japan/China/Godonlyknows springs in the
front.
Coils in our Dakotas are FIXED RATE, which
means the spring can be shortned slightly
without altering the rate.
Better lowing springs, like Hotchkis, have an
increased rate for better handling and less
bottoming (That's why you need really good
Bilstein re-valved shocks for it to ride good).
I'd bet most of the cheap aftermarket springs
have a lower or equal rate when compared to
stock.
Sorry for ranting.
Later,
Lemmers
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Kurt in SJ
Dodge Dakota
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2/06/2003
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I agree with Lemmers. I accomplished a 1"/2" drop on my '01 v6 QC with a half coil cut on the front springs and 2" blocks in the rear. The ride quality is essentially unchanged. I'm extremely happy with the ride, and that's one of the reasons I bought the Dakota. The ride is superior to its competition. I run 17s with 60 series tires. I really like that look.
I don't recommend cutting more than 1/2 to 3/4 coil. If you want more than 1 inch, buy a kit.
If you want to see pictures of my truck, contact me at kurt.kern@lamrc.com
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