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DaveInDC
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I'm trying to budget but buy quality. What is the best oil filter on the market for under $5 ? I did a search but most of the talk was about Walmart type filters or no-name brands. I want a REAL filter at this price. Thanks.
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R.
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12/03/2002
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I just know I'm going to get hammered for this :-) ... but I've been using Fram ToughGuard filters in everything I've driven since about 1996... '87 S-10 (225,000 miles); '92 Dakota (180,000 miles); '96 Blazer (210,000 miles); 2001 Silverado (65,000 miles); and now in my '02 Durango (6,000 miles).
I put 100,000 miles (in 4 years) on the dakota and every mile on the blazer (in 6 years) and on the silverado (in 1 1/2 years) and never had a problem. It seems like that if you have something floating around that the filter isnt picking up, then you've got a lot bigger problem than what brand you are using.
Just my thoughts.
Robbie.
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eggbert
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12/03/2002
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I won't hammer R. Use what you want and what works for you. I once used Fram also until I cut one apart and compared to others. Now I won't put one in my vehicles even if they are still in the box. For the price you are willing to spend you can use Bosch #3402, A C Delco #PH13, Purolator #14670, or Motorcraft (I don't have a number for it).
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JustRed
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I go with AC Delco. About 6 weeks ago I picked up 4 at the local Farm & Fleet for about $2.25 a pop on sale. Regular price is something like $3.50 anyway so that's still not bad.
I have nothing personally against Frams, other than if you wait on a sale at K-Mart or F&F you can usually get Delco for less, at least in my neck of the woods.
Before the Dakota I only owned GM vehicles and always used AC Delco filters. I got 160,000 on my last vehicle using only AC Delco filters with no problems so I think they know what they're doing. :)
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John RT/SE
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12/03/2002
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Here is a little tip:
If you want to use a larger capacity oil filter, and have no clearance issues, select one for an earlier (1970's) Mopar/Ford. I believe that the Purolator number is #30001. This filter is twice the length of a std. Purolator #14670.
Slightly more oil capacity, but definately more filter area for better oil filtration.
John
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John RT/SE
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12/03/2002
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P.S.
You can buy a Purolator #30001 or #14670 at any Sears Auto Center for about $4.
John
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Nitro Junkie
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12/03/2002
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I use the mobil one synthetic oil and mobil on oil filters ONLY !!!! The filters are more expensive than most others but with sythetic you go longer between changes.
2000 R/T
Belltech 2"-3" Drop w/ Nitro Drop Shocks
40 Series Flowmaster Dumped Exhaust
8mm Taylor Spiro Pro wires w/ Autolite 3923's
Mopar Performance Distributor, 180 T-Stat
Turbo City Dual Tube Air Intake w/ Twin 5" Round K&N Filters
Speed Scene Grill (Upper&Lower)
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mdandl
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12/03/2002
12:33:43
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i use baldwin b34 filters
don't use older style filter as stated above they do not have correct valving and can cause big problems
Mike B
1997 Dakota Sport RC V6, Magenta, Dynomax Ultra Flow, K&N, APC Clear Corners, NR White Face Gauges, Mopar Boards, rails, Line-X, and Others to come
2000 Dakota Sport RC V6, Dynomax Ultra Flow, K&N, ARE Cover, Soon to be PLUM CRAZY
NEW TOY 1987 Dakota RC LB V6
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Lab Rat
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12/03/2002
12:38:20
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I use only Mobil 1 M1 filters. Sure, expensive up front, but at four oil changes per year it's only $4.00/month. One less QP combo from Mickey D's per month is not a big sacrifice.
LR
Gibson Dual Sport, AirForce One air intake, Jet II, Jet TBS, 180 stat, IAT, TPS, no viscous fan, Lakewood traction bars, "Wilson" antenna ball...when are we gonna see some real parts??!!
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JustRed
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12/03/2002
13:21:23
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Which ones are you talking about Mike, the Purolators mentioned in John's post or the list that eggbert gave????
Also, how much do the Baldwin's run you?
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Lemmers
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12/03/2002
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Motorcraft FL-1A is what I use on my 4.7 (and
my Mustang too). It's actually a Purolator Pure
One in a different wrapper. Excellent filter for
less than $4 at Autozone. The FL-1A filter also
works on the 5.2 and 5.9, as well as the old
mopar 2.2 turbo engines.
Later,
Lemmers
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John RT/SE
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12/03/2002
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mdandl: I don't think that there is any difference between a Purolator #30001 & #14670 other than the length of the body. Comparing the ends of the fiters to each other, they are identical. While there MAY be a difference in the bypass valve, I highly doubt it.
Also, The oil pump/oiling system on small block V-8/V-6's has remained virtually unchanged since the 273 was first introduced in the 1960's -except for minor oil pan/pick-up tube configurations, and regular/magnum upper-end oiling differences.
The oil pump in my Dakota's V-6 Magnum is completely interchangable with the one for my '71 Road Runner's 340. They even used a standard oil pump in the legendary 340 Six Barrel motors!
Not trying to start anything, but using the filter intended for earlier applications won't damage your engine in any way.
John
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Art
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i agree the bigger filters dont hurt anything,you can use any filter cross referenced to a fram ph8a on the magnum motors,stock uses a 8psi bypass valve,I am gonna use the Baldwin B2 when I run out of Amsoil SDF-15 filters
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12/03/2002
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If I may be so bold to post here:
First - Mann oil filters. Well constructed, plenty of surface area, good anti-drain back valve. Under $4.00
Second - if a slightly higher price is okay - might I recommend Amsoil SDF oil filters, and yes a bit over $5 at the $7 level(dealer price). Well constructed. Strong. Excellent by-pass mechanism.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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eggbert
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12/03/2002
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First - the 30001 won't fit in my '99 5.2 Dakota. The longer filters hit on the frame on my truck. If you can get it on, the longer filters are a good move. Lots of guys with Rams use them
Second - Steven R., I have never heard of Mann filters. Can you enlighten me on them? Thanks.
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eggbert
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12/03/2002
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Steven: I just thought about your opening line "if I may be so bold to post here". What a shame. I know you get flamed pretty bad and that is why you said that. I wish people would realize what they can learn from others even if they don't use their product. The person I have learned the most from hasn't sold me anything. Maybe one day people will quit flaming innocent folks and then I can start using my real name and address. I use fake stuff now just so I can mess with idiots that flame under fake names.
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sandman
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12/03/2002
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The Motorcraft FL-1A is a good filter. It is $3 at my local Walmart. I use the Fl-1A on my old beater. You are getting a Pure One filter in a purolator plus can for under $4.00. For my New Dodge I use baldwin B2 which is the larger version of the B34 $4.33 per-filter. I realy like Baldwin filters(targeted at commerical tractottrailer fleets and service facilitys). Baldwin also owns Hastings which is their cheaper brand( but still better then most brands) mostly targeted towards farm and fleet operators and repair facilitys. I have used the Mobil-1 which is made by Chapion Labs( they use a different design and filter media then other champion filters) and they were also a good fiter but entirely too expensive at $9 per-filter and I do not think that they are any better then Baldwin. If price is an object then shop for best price on STP,AC/Delco,Dostch,Bosch,Car and Driver because these are made by champion labs and use the same filter cartridge inside. The K&N oil filter is also a unique design manufactured by Champion but is also too expensive. It is nice to have that 1" nut on the end. So for under $5.00 I would get one of the following Baldwin B2,B34, or MotorCraft FL-1A. I f I could not find one of them I would get a plain jane AC/Delco Duraguard for $2.50 and call it good till next time!!
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JIM
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I used to use the Fram tough gaurds but The gasket always stuck to the block and 1 time I forgot to check. So I doubled it and dumped $22 of Mobil-1 5 mile from my house. I use prue one filters now and the gasket stays where it should, on the filter.
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Dr. D
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12/04/2002
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The AMSOIL SDF-42 oil filter has a change interval of 6-months or 12,500 miles (when using Amsoil Synthetics).
I have cut one of these open and they are built a lot better than those five dollar filters and they cost less to use in the long run.
* In a pinch I will use anything that is NOT made by FRAM / Honeywell.
Dr. D
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12/04/2002
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eggbert,
My bad on the mention of the Mann filter. I was thinking Daimler/Chrysler for some reason and not Dodge. Mann is OEM on Mercedes and Volvo and some other foreign manufacturers. I must have been ill that day.
DaveInDC,
If you're set on getting a $5 filter, then Bosch Super Premium or Wix. Reasons: Top notch construction, good filtering, and good flow. (The PureOne is in this price range too, but I've got issues with restricted flow in the PureOne because of the densely packed media.)
And if $7 (preferred customer price) is out of your budget for Amsoil SDF oil filters, it won't hurt to ask Santa for a case of Amsoil Synthetic Oil and a few filters under the tree.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS EVERYONE !!!
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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sandman
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Has anyone cut an SDF filter open ??? I am going to bet that it is made by baldwin. I will have to buy one so I can cut it open and take a look. I hate to pay double just so another middle man can stick it too me. Amsoil sells hasting filters which are owned by Baldwin. Baldwin also has a bypass system that looks identical to amsoils. Seems like a few too many simularitys.
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Dr. D
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I am very partial to the AMSOIL filters due to the fact that their oil has saved my business so much money (Earth Angels Lawn Service).
Their filters are very well constructed (double roll seam, coil spring, etc.)
Also ... I have several of the By-Pass filter units on my equipment and I think they are exclusive to AMSOIL.
Are you sure HASTINGS is owned by baldwin ?
Interesting stuff here !!
Dr. D
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Red
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I am not sure, but I havent seen any mention of the MOPAR stock filters, these are very good filters and are what dodge uses to test all their performance vehicles. I personally think you will find more benifit by the oil used than what brand filter you use. All the older vehicles used canister style filters, and went way longer between oil changes, this 3000 miles crap is something the oil companies came up with. Most advertised oil changing periods in the 60's were every six monthes. Mind you this was when oil was OIL, not the refined stuff we see today. So I would be interested in someone doing a balls out test against oil and filters and see if this really makes a diiference. I personally use Mobile 1 synthetic oil for many reasons: 1. It has a lower coefficeint of friction...this is a no brainer, 2. I go 10000 miles before changing the oil, I change the filter about every 5000 miles and add the difference in new oil. 3. the oil doesnt break down like conventional oils. I also use Mobil 1 tranny fluid.
I do this with all my vehicles and havent had any problems whatsoever. I am sure the oil filter and oil companies dont want you following this logic though, if they could they would try to get you to change it every 2000 miles.
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Red
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btw....WIX makes a dam good filter, about 5 bucks from carquest.
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John RT/SE
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12/04/2002
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The NAPA Gold oil filter is also made by Wix...
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Art
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12/05/2002
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Sandman I too beleive Amsoil filters are made by Baldwin,Thats why Im going to them when I use my last SDF-15,I will keep it and compare to a Baldwin B-2,Mopar filters are made by whoever they are made by they have switched manufacturers alot of times
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12/05/2002
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Okay, I'm going to post this - and then I'm going to get flamed - and then abused - and then ... (oh well, here goes nothing).....
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Sandman, Art, Everyone,
AMSOIL oil filters are made by Hastings, which is a subsidiary of Baldwin. Baldwin still manufactures and markets under both the Baldwin and the Hastings name (Hastings and AMSOIL are made in the same plant in Nebraska) . Baldwin representatives told me that the AMSOIL oil filters use a better grade of filter media, found in only a VERY FEW of the Baldwin filters - simply a matter of economics - it costs more - therefore the reason for the higher AMSOIL Filter price (not a middleman markup).
Amsoil filters are not Hastings! The confusion is that Amsoil just markets the Hastings brand so their dealers will have a source for EVERY filter application imaginable. Amsoil offers and sells Hastings filters but WILL NOT sell Hastings filters for which there is an equivalent Amsoil filter.
In the case of Amsoil filters, I understand the media is different in that they use a synthetic type. The Amsoil filters are rated at 98% effective at 20 microns and about 65% at 10 microns. The information I got from Hastings is they are 98.7% effective at 45 microns and 50% at 22 microns. Baldwin also uses a type of synthetic in their filters that are rated "severe service". I don't have any numbers on these. Not all Baldwins are rated severe service. I think that the severe service filters are for heavy-duty equipment.
When AMSOIL went to Baldwin/Hastings with the specs for the "then new" Mobil 1 oil filter, Baldwin told them that they could certainly manufacture filters that could outperform it, simply by changing to the new media - which they did for Amsoil - which is why many feel the Amsoil Filter is superior.
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This post was to clarify the questions of the uncertainty of the Amsoil Oil Filter manufacturers. This information does not pertain to the Amsoil By-Pass Filters, Air Flters, or Fuel Filters. This information was not provided to discredit another manufacturer or individual.
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Thank You and HAPPY HOLIDAYS !!!
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Tommy
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So Baldwin owns Hastings who manufacturers Amsoil Oil Filters to Amsoil Specifications which are unique to Amsoil. I have called all three companys myself and the information is correct.
Just because Hastings makes Amsoil Filters does not mean they are the same filter (external or internal) as Hastimgs or Baldwin. To make it simple and understandable. GM owns Chevrolet who builds Corvettes. Does that mean that the Grand Prix is just like the Corvette, because they are built by Pontiac who is owned by GM? Just because a product is manufactured by the same company does not mean the are the same end products.
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Lemmers
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12/06/2002
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I'd stay away from MOPAR brand oil filters as
they're made by any number of different
manufacturers (and over priced). The only
real way to tell is to look at the base plate on
the filter.
Check out:
http://www.frankhunt.com/FRANK/corvette/artic
les/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy.html
Excellent infor IMHO.
Later,
Lemmers
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12/06/2002
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For Information Purposes Only:
Many Dakota owners (and others) are trying to figure out how many different oil filter manufacturers there are, and which manufacturer makes what brands. From what I can gather, here is what is out there:
Honeywell - makes Fram (In Canada the Quaker State filters are Fram filters / In the USA, QS is Purolator), Pennzoil, Quaker State
Arvin Meritor - makes Purolator Premium Plus, PureONE, Ford OEM, V-1 & SureFlow (Superflow?)
Dana - makes Wix and Napa Gold/Silver, AC Delco DuraGuards for Canada
Baldwin (Parent of Hastings) - Baldwin, Hastings, Amsoil, Casite, maybe others
Champion Labs - Mobil 1, K&N, Supertech, AC Delco DuraGuards (two different types) for USA, Bosch Premium, STP, Ultraguard Gold, Deutch & Luberfiner
Cummins Engine - owns Fleetguard
Mann - a top quality German filter maker (for our many German Friends on this site).
Please add to (or correct) this list if you have any more information on filters or filter makers.
We are all here to learn, and offer advice.
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01Motorsport
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Nice homework,Steven...'A' for effort!
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