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AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 12/06/2002 09:48:44	Subject: RE: Oil Filter IP: Logged Message: Thanks 01Motorsport, One that was left off but needs to be included - Castrol Filters - a difficult question to answer. Here is one reason: Castrol Lubrication Merged with BP Amoco Castrol’s worldwide lubricants business became part of BP Amoco, PLC, one of the three largest integrated energy companies in the world, following the successful completion of BP Amoco’s approximately $5 billion cash offer for Burmah Castrol. The Castrol lubricant businesses was merged with those of BP Amoco to form a new global lubricants division. ----- The BP Amoco website is not much help, nor is the Castrol website, nor are the tech's at corporate headquarters. From what I know Castrol Oil Filters are rebadged, and manufactured by various other companies. I have been told their "high end" filters are manufactured by WIX, and their "low end" (white filter) is manufactured by FRAM, and is the same filter as PENSKE which is also manufactured by FRAM. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
sandman Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 12/06/2002 19:42:49	RE: Oil Filter IP: Logged Message: Thanks for the info Steven. I work in the Automotive industry and it is sickening to see every one along the way double their price. Example: Supplier cost for for a part $150; they sell it to OEM manufacture for $300.00; Manufacture sells to dealers for $600; dealer charges customer $1200 or more skie is the limit. So being rather poor I try my best to buy as early in the supply chain as I can. It is purely a matter of economics. If I could afford to go the other route I would! It is good to know that Amsoil is not just rebadgeing baldwin filters. I absoulutely hate it when a company rebadges another companys product and sells it as their own for more then the manufactures label. THe principal of it is just wrong. If I am going to spend the premium for a Amsoil filter then I want to be getting a Amsoil filter not a rebadged baldwin with a higher price. Thanks for the info Steven I can respect honesty and integrity(sp). I corperations were more honest and forth comeing!!!
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 12/09/2002 15:50:11	Amsoil Oil Filter IP: Logged Message: Thanks Sandman and happy to clear things up. I too hate the EXTREME middleman markups, or the re-badging and higher pricing for no added value. I don't mind a nominal markup for added value, or ordering through an Independent Representative such as myself, if the price is the SAME. NOTE: Anyone ordering from my Amsoil catalog or thru my website, pays the same as when dealing direct. ----- To briefly repeat what was on another post, AMSOIL oil filters are made by Hastings, which is a subsidiary of Baldwin. Baldwin still manufactures and markets under both the Baldwin and the Hastings name (Hastings and AMSOIL are made in the same plant in Nebraska). Baldwin representatives told me that the AMSOIL oil filters use a better grade of filter media, found in only a VERY FEW of the Baldwin filters - simply a matter of economics - it costs more to manufacture - therefore the reason for the higher AMSOIL Filter price (not a middleman markup or re-badging). Amsoil filters are not Hastings! The confusion is that Amsoil just markets the Hastings brand so their dealers will have a source for EVERY filter application imaginable. Amsoil offers and sells Hastings filters but WILL NOT sell Hastings filters for which there is an equivalent Amsoil filter. ----- For The Record - What with all the discussion of Premium Oil Filters, I would like to invite everyone to visit my online store for information regarding AMSOIL Super Duty Oil Filters (SDF). There are a lot of good filters, I am simply asking that you consider ours. ----- Amsoil Super Duty Oil Filters (SDF) offer all-around better filtration and protection than conventional filters. Full flow design for extended drain intervals and severe service. Our filters contain a high-tech blended filtration media composed of cellulose, synthetic and glass fibers. The media sets the Super Duty apart from conventional filters in capacity, efficiency and service life, delivering superior filtration and protection. The AMSOIL Super Duty Oil Filter (SDF) is designed to provide maximum filtration while meeting the high flow demands of modern automobiles. The AMSOIL SDF contains a special cellulose, synthetic and glass blend media that offers the best possible balance of long life, high capacity and overall efficiency. The AMSOIL SDF has a lofted fiber depth-type media that traps dirt throughout its entire thickness for exceptional filtering efficiency. It keeps oil clean and free of wear-causing contaminants. The AMSOIL SDF has a heavy-duty case of drawn steel. The case is double-crimped at the base with rolled-under seaming to withstand extreme pressure surges and road shocks. The AMSOIL SDF has an anti-drainback valve that keeps trapped contaminants in the filter when the engine is not running. ----- This post was not to discredit any other manufacturers products or individuals post. Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
sandman Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 12/09/2002 22:39:38	RE: Oil Filter IP: Logged Message: Baldwin Filters B2-HPG is better then Mobil-1 large size filter and B34-HPG is the smaller size. Booth fit or 4.7. It is a synthetic glass fiber filter. The B2-HPG is the same as Amsoils SPF15. I do not know the price. It can be used a san oil filter or hydralic filter.
hkDak Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 5/07/2003 09:16:08	RE: Oil Filter IP: Logged Message: Is there such a thing as the "best" oil filter? or ....... Are we worrying too much about our filters?
R_Shiver Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 8/01/2003 22:34:05	RE: Oil Filter IP: Logged Message: Repeat(ttt), Is there such a thing as the "best" oil filter? or ....... Are we worrying too much about our filters? I read this hole post and i still don't know. What do we want from a good filter?
aiyholeslayer Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 8/02/2003 06:01:09	RE: Oil Filter IP: Logged Message: what we want is to let this thread die and not bring it up every three months, oil guy by any name you choose
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 8/02/2003 10:02:47	RE: Oil Filter = Amsoil IP: Logged Message: You know what ... I'm tired of being Mr. Nice Guy. If someone starts an oil, filtration, or lubrication thread, I am accused of starting it. If a thread is bumped, I am accused of bumping it. Like these are the only ones that ever get bumped. Heck ... someone just loves to bump old "Bernd" threads. Think it is Bernd bumping his own threads when he has closed shop? Think Bernd likes seeing his name drug thru the mud over and over? I don't think so. How about the person that bumps Autolite Threads using "Hey Harlow" ... or "ttt" ... c'mon, give me a break. Someone is doing this for 1 of 3 reasons ... because they really have a concern, ... they do it for kicks, ... or they want see the "flames". I don't know and don't care. So here is my last piece of advice on this thread: The order of the best MEDIA in a oil filter: synthetic - fiberglass - it is second because fiberglass has to be held together with glues and therefore decreases flows cellulose - if this get water in it it will bubble up and restrict flow. Blended filtration media composed of synthetic, cellulose and fiberglass fibers are usually the best. ================================================== YOU NEED A BALANCE BETWEEN FLOW AND FILTRATION FILTRATION It seems that engine wear gets worse when there are particles above 5 micron particles not being filtered out of the system. GM has done studies where the wear became very great at around 30 microns. On the flip-side, Mobil did tests in 1995 where they ran a number of vehicles at 7.5K oil changes and 15K oil changes on filters that would have been in the 25 micron range. The vehicles went 200K with very little wear. So it would seem that filters that grab most of the 15-20 micron particles whould be OK. I know this is not very scientific. It really depends on the clearances in your engine. An engine such as my neighbors LT1, which is a small block Chevy as far as the bottom end is concerned, has large clearances so a 20 micron particle won't harm it as much as it would on a much tighter engine such as many DOHC 4 cylinder imports. So in other words, it's different in every case. -------------------------------------------------- In theory, reducing wear particles to 0 is optimum but in the real world of automobile engines it doesn't work. What good does filtering out for instance .5 (1/2) microns ... 100% of the time ... but causing wear by interupting oil flow to the bearings. -------------------------------------------------- If you are concerned, perform a Used Oil Analysis and see for yourself what is the PPM range in your engine ... for all the major metals (iron, lead, alumn, copper). -------------------------------------------------- FLOW FLOW IS ... AS IMPORTANT, maybe ... MORE IMPORTANT ... than FILTRATION. Many filters have good filtration and terrible flow. A whole 'nuther topic and I am tired. If anyone cares to hear about the importance of "flow" please let me know. Thank you ... Now You Decide. Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
Buck Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 8/02/2003 11:42:06	RE: Oil Filter IP: Logged Message: I use the B34 Baldwin....Mainly because they are free to me. Boss pays for the oil and filter. I use 15w-40 in everything I drive Buck
Purdue Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 9/15/2003 13:15:42	RE: Oil Filter IP: Logged Message: What are the ='s and -'s of oversized filters? Can any of you kind "experts" give me the good, the bad, and the ugly?
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