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10/13/2002
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For Information Purposes Only:
Many Dakota owners (and others) are trying to figure out how many different oil filter manufacturers there are, and which manufacturer makes what brands. From what I can gather, here is what is out there:
Honeywell - makes Fram (In Canada the Quaker State filters are Fram filters / In the USA, QS is Purolator), Pennzoil, Quaker State
Arvin Meritor - makes Purolator Premium Plus, PureONE, Ford OEM, V-1 & SureFlow (Superflow?)
Dana - makes Wix and Napa Gold/Silver, AC Delco DuraGuards for Canada
Baldwin (Parent of Hastings) - Baldwin, Hastings, Amsoil, Casite, maybe others
Champion Labs - Mobil 1, K&N, Supertech, AC Delco DuraGuards (two different types) for USA, Bosch Premium, STP, Ultraguard Gold, Deutch & Luberfiner
Cummins Engine - owns Fleetguard
Mann - a top quality German filter maker (for our many German Friends on this site).
Please add to (or correct) this list if you have any more information on filters or filter makers.
We are all here to learn, and offer advice.
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samtheman
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10/13/2002
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makes Castrol? I had been using C. Max Pro Plus from K-Mart for $5.00, however, now they only sell Max Pro so I get Pure 1s at a Parts store.
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TJ
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10/13/2002
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Good idea for a topic Steven (Amsoil Sponsor).
In the post oil study world we know "very little" about the ever changing private label situation (Oil, and Oil Filters and Air Filters). Some filters seem to be different with every oil change, and we can't keep up with "who makes what".
Of course Fram seems pretty disliked for heavy dependence on paper/glue construction quality in their standard line of filters. Are there any other filters floating around out there that seem to be in the Fram league so to speak? I like to know what to avoid.
I've cut open Quaker State and Pennzoil oil filters and they really don't look much better than the Fram. Actually, I hear Pennzoil is made by Fram (or Honeywell, as you stated) and it did look almost identical to the Fram. Most of the quick change oil places use them (Pennzoil) around here, so my guess is a "lower the cost" & "lower the quality" issue to be able to offer the $14.95 oil change (plus a free wash)..
I've also heard that certain model NAPA Silver Oil Filters are "not the best" (I guess that's DANA as manufacturer). My local NAPA store sells their NAPA Silver Filters for $.99 on Sundays, and you get what you pay for...
Yea, I would like to know also who makes Castrol Filters. My father has been using their products for years.
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10/17/2002
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Who makes Castrol Filters is a difficult question to answer.
Here is one reason: Castrol Lubrication Merged with BP Amoco
Castrol’s worldwide lubricants business became part of BP Amoco, PLC, one of the three largest integrated energy companies in the world, following the successful completion of BP Amoco’s approximately $5 billion cash offer for Burmah Castrol.
The Castrol lubricant businesses was merged with those of BP Amoco to form a new global lubricants division.
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The BP Amoco website is not much help, nor is the Castrol website, nor are the tech's at corporate headquarters. From what I know Castrol Oil Filters are rebadged, and manufactured by various other companies. I have been told their "high end" filters are manufactured by WIX, and their "low end" (white filter) is manufactured by FRAM, and is the same filter as PENSKE which is also manufactured by FRAM.
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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CleanOil
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10/17/2002
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I have found that Fram filters will go into full bypass after only about 10-20% filter capacity is reached. THis is not good. Plus, on all my vehicles, I have had valve train noise on startup using Fram filters. I too have cut one open and yes, there are cardboard endcaps, poorly welded center tubes, and skimpy filter media.
The NAPA gold (not silver) is a very good filter. When using this, my oil stays cleaner longer and also I do not experience valve train noise on startup.
I cut one open and its a very well made filter.
To the person who says you get what you pay for....this is very true. Fram started going downhill when Waldo world adn other discounters started selling them for a price point. TO meet this price point, Honeywell had to cut costs somewhere. What suprises me is when are the y going to have them made in Mexico so they can cut costs even further?
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Kevin
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10/17/2002
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The valve noise is due to loss of oil prime in the pressure system.
When you turn off the engine, the anti-drainback valve in a good filter will keep the oil in the filter and above so that the pump only has to replace a small amount of drained-out lube. In the Fram and others that lack this valve (or have insufficient excuses for such) the oil all drains out of the filter and upstream oil passages and leaves your engine dry for the few seconds it takes to replenish the cavities.
I did some research on oil filter specs a few years ago and found that the Baldwin provided the best quality for my needs. Their combination of the finest filtration material, largest filter surface area, and both valves of high Quality impressed me. Unfortunately, I found over two months of use that their anti-drain back valve did not work in either my Volvo's or Mopars. While the Oil pres. guage was slow to react in the Dodge, that telltale clatter gave away the lack of oil at startup. In the Volvo's, the OP guage registers instantaneously and showed a 2-3 second delay in filling the admittedly oversized filter. I sent them all back for a full refund and have been using Mann's ever since.
Mann is the OEM for Volvo, but I've experienced an unusually high number of poorly crimped cases leading to leaky Mann filters.
Still looking for the perfect oil filter.
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CleanOil
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10/18/2002
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Like I said, I have found NAPA/WIX filters to be of fine quality and performance.
So long as you stay away from Fram, you should be fine.
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Marc
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10/18/2002
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Does anyone know how the ACdelco standard filters are?? (the ones in the white cans) GM dealers in canada use them and they are also sold at WAL-MART up here too!! Are they any better that FRAM????
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Dr. D
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10/18/2002
18:14:58
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I like the Amsoil filter line. They use coil spring construction, Depth type filtration media, double rolled seam, heavier shell, etc.
Cheap filters = Cheap materials
Dr. D
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EyeTrip
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10/18/2002
18:38:19
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Here we go again.......
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CaliDak
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10/18/2002
20:44:14
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No Eyetrip,
Here YOU go again.
Did YOU miss the first line: "For Information Purposes Only:"
YOU are the one with the "problem"...
since I thought the first post was very helpful.
Dave - in California
Catch me if you can!
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GaDak31
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10/18/2002
20:51:46
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Yea EyeTrip, Go Away if You aren't adding to the conversation. Are you by chance "TMD" on the off-topic board? All you do is try to stir up trouble instead of offer anything of value. I'll be glad to refund your membership if you promise to leave this site and go buy something besides a Dakota.
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EyeTrip
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10/18/2002
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GaDak31
Unlike other people I do not use aliases, you know when I post.
Here is a USEFUL Question: How many times can you talk about the same old topics on oil?
CaliDak
I'm very sure if you do a search, you will find the same OLD news/info several times.
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Dr.D
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10/18/2002
23:14:42
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I recommend "FRAM" for you Eye Drip !
Dr. D
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sandman
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10/19/2002
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Thanks AmsoilSponsor for putting the information together!
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CleanOil
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10/20/2002
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Yes, it was a very informative post. SOmewhere out here in TCP/IP land, there is a web site where a guy took apart a lot of filters and wrote up a nice web page about it.
His name was Russ Kinze. We owe him a debt of gratitude.
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CleanOil
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10/20/2002
22:02:40
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A quote from an allied signal engineer on Fram filters from Russ's site. Its pretty scary and even though I started staying away from Fram years ago, its a good reminder just in case you are tempted to by the orange can.
Here is the quote.
Russell,
I obtained great satisfaction from reading your oil filter survey.
I worked for two years as the oil-filter production line engineer in
an Allied-Signal FRAM facility and I can confirm every bad thing you
have said about FRAM automotive filters. That's from the horse's
mouth, as it were.
I'm also a quality engineer and can confirm that FRAM applies no
quality control whatsoever to any of the characteristics for which we
buy oil filters. I frequently saw filter designs which were barely
capable of meeting J806. Many of FRAM's designs will block and go to
bypass after trying to filter very little contamination. There were
often leakage paths at the paper end discs when these were not
properly centered on the elements. Some designs had the pleats so
tightly packed against the center tube that they would block off in no
time. I had discovered that the FRAM HP1 that I had been buying for
about $20 Cdn was EXACTLY the same as a PH8 inside - the only
difference being a heavier can - no advantages in flow capacity. The
paper filtration media was of apparently poor quality and the process
of curing the paper resin was very inconsistent - elements would range
from visibly burnt to white. FRAM's marketers admitted that there was
just about no way the public could ever prove that an oil filter
contributed, or did not prevent, engine damage. The only thing FRAM
tested for was can burst strength. Another problem that they have from
time to time is in threading the filter base - often there are strands
of metal left behind on a poorly formed thread.
I have not used a FRAM filter since I started working there. Their
claims are entirely and completely marketing bullsh*t.
If people really want to protect their engines, a good air filter is
vital (which excludes FRAM from that list as well) and a combination
of one depth and one full-flow hydraulic filter, together in parallel,
will do the job of filtration to perfection.
Thanks for doing a great job in trying to get the truth out! You can
quote me anytime.
[name withheld]
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EyeTrip
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10/20/2002
22:48:36
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And yet another blue light special going on in isle "same subject again". Hurry while meatheads try a lame advertising tactic AGAIN!
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/6503.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/983.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/5494.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/per/1159.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/2426.html
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/6570.html
Is just a sample of what you can find with the SEARCH!! Feature.
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AmsoilSponsor
DakotaEnthusiast
10/21/2002
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EyeTrip,
You continue to try and make things personal between you and I (even bait me in some instances). Do you attack Autolite posts with the same fervor? You might want to consider it since there must be about 3000 such Autolite posts.
Trust me, I don't need a "lame advertising tactic" to get my message out. I happen to be a DodgeDakota.com "site sponsor" and paid advertiser with banner ads. I can also assure you that "CleanOil" is not an alias of mine (nor have I ever used one).
The information contained in the original post took hours to prepare. I did it for the benefit of all visitors to this site. I may do similar posts in the future for oils, air filters, and any other topic I feel might be beneficial. To quote TJ, "we know "very little" about the ever changing private label situation", and we can all use assistance in trying to keep it all straight and up-to-date.
*** A vehicle is usually a persons second largest "investment" beyond the purchase of a home. Any information that will help that person protect their investment should be appreciated. ***
With Respect,
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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EyeTrip
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10/21/2002
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I call Bull$hit!!!
I don’t think of it as being personal, I just see you as a repeat offender of cheap “In your face” advertising tactics. And you insisting on me “Baiting” you is just another garbage filling wordy tactic to respond to the same ol SB flag. I just see the same small group of names playing off of anything you post and in the same format. I think it’s very suspicious! This crap has been going on for a year! How long are you going to keep using the same tactic? You’re like a really bad commercial that keeps getting played on the radio during prime time over and over.
As for the research that you do … I can respect that. But Good Gawd Man! How many times on the same thing. If you have noticed that I haven’t responded to any of your posts the same day your start. This one in particular has been 5 days of repeats, patting on backs and rallying. And as normal, this tread died for 3 days before you posted. (I suspect to support your tactics)
Being a sponsor is a good thing. I maybe crazy but, I don’t think it makes the whole forum you billboard playground. And ONCE again, seeing you didn’t get it the FIRST time and have to be repeated to over and over, Harlow was funny! And he was found to be entertaining. I don’t see anyone asking where that lame Amsoil guy is.
“A vehicle is usually a persons second largest "investment" beyond the purchase of a home. Any information that will help that person protect their investment should be appreciated” If they use common sense and Maintained their machine then it will last a very long time. I had a Chevy that had over 350k mile with non-synthetic oil used. (The only way I can claim that is because it was a family airloom and all recoards kept) I’m not saying the Amsoil is not good, but you have got to realize that you cannot sell it as the “Cure all” snake oil that conmen have used for years, even if it feeds you “pyramid” marketing.
Just think … I’m helping you in your quest to be “In your face” advertising…. Now that’s ironic.
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MOPARornoCAR
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10/21/2002
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I JUST WANTED TOO SAY THANKS ...TOO THE AMSOIL GUY FOR POSTING.....I ALWAYS WONDERED WHO MADE THEM WAL-MART FILTERS.
I ACTAULY THOUGHT ALLIED -SIGNAL MADE FRAM FILTERS HERE IN DA' USA
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slick
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10/21/2002
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looks like Walmart super tech filters are made by champion - says champion on the box and filter has the champion 6 hole with 1 large hole top. It got a good write up.
http://www.minimopar.net/oilfilters.html
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10/21/2002
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Thanks Slick, That is a very good link that will help a lot of people (including me).
To samtheman,
Yep, Eyetrip was right on one point. It took me three days to find your answer regarding Castrol Filters. Sorry for the delay, and I hope that it was the information you were looking for.
With Regards,
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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CleanOil
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10/21/2002
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NOnetheless, is everyone's oil staying clean?
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slick
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10/21/2002
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well,, it looks like the Mopar (dodge) brand oil filters are really cheap Frams with a Mopar label. that bites
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Arnold ziffel
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10/22/2002
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well I personally think that this thread was a waste of time, if your spending this much time on oil filters... dumbass. I prefer a toilet roll in a canister, course i had to modify my falcon to accomodate it. (not gm) anyway anyone with a clue knows it's the size of particles it's designed to let through, not the brand.
shut the hell up and quit tryin to peddle products.
ps I do admire mopars, just not idiots
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EyeTrip
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10/22/2002
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Slick your a Moron .......
Clean oil .... Yes my oil is clean!
And Amsoil guy, Yes it takes sometimes 5 months for you to "do your research"! I think that is a little excessive! And if you do not know the answer Tell us you will get back to us .... I still think your cheap. And your pyramid sales tactic is still your motive. And your alises is transparent! I'm all for info and am willing to do my part in research ... But this crap is going to continue RELENTLESSLY until you find another approach, other than deceivingly pose as other people. And that’s the truth!
And YES My truckS are a monster!
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CleanOil
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10/22/2002
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That's good eyetrip.
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Slick
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10/22/2002
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eyetrip
It's "Slick, you're a moron.
Jeez, if you're going to call me names.....
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10/22/2002
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This thread could have been labeled with the "Subject":
"EyeTrip puts money in Steven's Pocket"
Here is the reason why:
Yesterday I received seven (7) catalog requests from people visiting the www.DodgeDakotas.com website. The most I have ever received in one day from this site. Here is a direct quote from one of these people - Ed in Texas (via copy and paste): " I have enjoyed reading your posts on the Dakota website for many months. They are very helpful. I feel I should apologize for EyeTrip. The professional way that you responded to his hate is the reason I am requesting an Amsoil catalog. Thanks"
No, Thank you - Ed in Texas. And a BIG thank you to EyeTrip also !!!
P.S. I even added a SMILEY FACE icon to let you know that I'm smiling.
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Dr. D
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10/22/2002
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It looks like Eye Drip is good for something after all !!
Dr. D
p.s. Keep up the good work Steven
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