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Kdarmy
Dodge Dakota
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9/22/2002
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The new Mobil 1 10W 30 label says that it is for Higher Mileage vehicles...Is this the same oil? Just a new label change?
My Dakota is ready for its first oil change, just want to be sure this is the correct oil to use.
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Keith
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Dakaty
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9/22/2002
21:13:53
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Mobile 10W 30 has always stated it is for high mileage cars????
They claim their 5W 30 is for newer cars.
I always use the 10W 30. I now have 35,000 miles. I started using Mobile 1 at about 15,000.
(Didn't know any better before)
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
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9/22/2002
22:10:52
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Yes, You are fine. It is just a marketing ploy to cover all the bases now that some companys have products that are extensivley marketed as purpose formulated for high milliage vechiles. I saw this last time I went to the evil empire I mean Wal-Mart. I thought to myself at the time that this new labeling might be confuseing to some. What ever you do do not buy your oil filter at Wal-Mart all they have is junk!!! Stay away from fram, allied signal, penzoil, quaker state and mopar brand filters and the tech 2000 brand. If you can not find baldwin or hastings try to get a Puralator,Motorcraft,Bosch, AC/Delco, WIX's or Napa Gold!!!!
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Kdarmy
Dodge Dakota
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9/23/2002
19:45:32
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Thanks for the help guys! The labeling was a bit misleading, kept looking for the "regular" Mobil 1 oil.
I did read quite a lot here on the forums before I bought a filter...I went with the Puralator "one" or "1", cant remember off hand, but it was one of their better ones.
And all the post Ive read about removing the filter and having the oil puke all over the place was true, at least I had the sense to do it in the yard, Just had to find out for myself.....Next time I'll try the 2 liter coke bottle trick.
Keith
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Pistolero
Dodge Dakota
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9/23/2002
22:42:34
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Oil puke all over the place? I have not heard of this...I have 1500 miles on my new Dak, and I will soon be changing the original oil out to Mobil 1, most likely, since I can just go to the store and buy it. Pray tell, what happens when the filter comes off and the oil "pukes"?...is it like projectile oil vomiting, or what?
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JIM
Dodge Dakota
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9/23/2002
23:19:49
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the oil goes everywhere when your unscrewing it. Also the factory puts them on WAY too tight. I dented mine to all hell and the only way I could get it off was to beat a screwdriver strait through it!
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Dr. D
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9/24/2002
01:35:17
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It's the same 10w-30 Mobil1 that it has been for quiet some time, it seems that everyone is jumping on the "For Higher Mileage Engines" bandwagon.
Who is next ?
Dr. D
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Knobbyman
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9/25/2002
11:12:02
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Knobbyman - For Mid Mileage Women...
Hehe.. More then 20 years anyway.
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http://www.knobbyman.com
----Speed only breaks it faster----
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Demon Dakota
DakotaEnthusiast
9/25/2002
12:32:39
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To reduce the oil spill from the oil filter upon removal, just use a small screwdriver or nail and drive two small holes in the filter. Put one down low for the drain, and one up top for the air inlet. Works like a charm for me every time (sucked having burning hot oil running down the arms). I also had the same problem with my filter from the factory (being way too tight). I had to use the screwdriver method as well. Just make sure not to break the oil sending unit electrical connection while your're down there hammering away. Hope this helps!
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TJ
Dodge Dakota
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9/25/2002
14:03:31
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We've heard that the "new car" and "high mileage" designations are all just BS from the marketing department.
Who is we? Certified Auto Mechanic's.
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92dakotahd
GenII
9/25/2002
17:51:30
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One thing I have heard is that you should avoid synthetics for the first 6-10,000 miles because they can cause things not to break in properly.
K&N, '01 wheels, Window Tint, Harley-Davidson badging, red underbody kit, ext.
Window covers, Harley-Davidson mudflaps, custom cat-back exhaust,
head/taillight covers, ventshades side and rear, ram air on the way. Autolite 3923s, 180 T-Stat
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Art
Dodge Dakota
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9/25/2002
18:30:09
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Thats bull 92dakotahd,lots of new vehicles come filled from the factory with synthetics,viper and the vette to name 2
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
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9/25/2002
18:54:37
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Well I was a tech. for 14 year roughly. I now give out technical advive to dealer's part managers and tech.'s for one of the Big Three American automotive manufactures. The only thing that determines the required weight of oil a bearing needs is the clearance. Clearance determines the volume of oil at any given pressure that is able to seperate the parts. Clearance is determined by load, speed,material, oil pressure and given viscosity. Clearances on bearing have changed very little on V8 engines since the late 1970's; What has changed is the manufactures ability to maintain the desired tolerances. So you now have very close to the same clearance as before but you have very little tolerance stacking. Oil seperates the moveing parts in an engine and provides 20% of the engines cooling. I have torn down engines with 120,000 miles that measured out to new spec. So what do you think I should have put in that engine "New Car Oil" "High Miliage oil" or High Performance oil"???? Their is no ASE,API,JASO or ILLSAC rateing for New Car,High Miliage or High Performance!!!! What if you engine is New and High Performance what do you do??? What if you vechile is NEW and High Miliage????? What if you have a High Miliage High Performance engine?????? How do we measure what is New, High Miliage or High Performance. WHat if I have a piece of equipment that has an hour meter only then what marketing label do I apply to it. If it is not a quatative number that can be measured it is marketing HYPE. How is an oil company supposed to know what the manufacture has recomended for it's engine??
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92dakotahd
GenII
9/25/2002
21:07:10
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vipers, vettes, porches, yeah, I know. Do ya think these motors are a little more fine tuned than your truck motor from factory????
I have a friend that is having a new 340 built and he was told by one of the most respected MOPAR engine builders in the midwest not to put Mobil 1 in for 6000 miles. I've also seen this very advice on here many times.
K&N, '01 wheels, Window Tint, Harley-Davidson badging, red underbody kit, ext.
Window covers, Harley-Davidson mudflaps, custom cat-back exhaust,
head/taillight covers, ventshades side and rear, ram air on the way. Autolite 3923s, 180 T-Stat
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Art
Dodge Dakota
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9/26/2002
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I also own a 340 demon and switched over to SYN oil after 500 miles after my rebuild from reg gastrol gtx to mobil-1 SYN.More tuned?? what does that have to do with bearing clearances and ring seat in?A good machine shop and any new motor manufacturer will use a deck plate on the block when boring and honing,the deck plate is like having the heads bolted on while boring and honing and keeps the bores true when you bolt the heads on I:E very little RING SEAT in time.Ring seat in time is why we used to say to not use SYN oils right away so that the rings would seat properly.
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AmsoilSponsor
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9/26/2002
06:47:52
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Let me see if I can address a few issues here.
Re: 92dakotahd's comment:
"vipers, vettes, porches, yeah, I know. Do ya think these motors are a little more fine tuned than your truck motor from factory?"
An engine which has synthetic as factory fill has had adequate precautions taken to ensure that synthetic is appropriate for immediate use.
The engines that come with sytnthetic from the factory are built to very close tolerances and the break in with dino oil is a non issue.
You should "break in" a new engine with whatever oil is delivered "factory fill", which is dino in most cases.
However, there is not much danger in switching to synthetic at the first scheduled oil change for most new cars. Your dealer will inform you as to manufacturers recommended "first change" (mine was 1 month or 1500 miles, whichever comes first, and they placed a sticker on the windshield to remind me). However, if you are planning to switch to synthetic, I would recommend that you wait until at least 3000 miles to switch an engine that was delivered with dino and not delivered with factory fill synthetic.
Beyond this, Sandman made it pretty clear as to the confusion of customers that try "quantify and qualify" their engine and work through all the marketing mumbo jumbo.
What if you engine is New and High Performance what do you do?
What if you have a High Miliage High Performance engine?
This type of marketing serves only to confuse the buying public.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants and Truck Care Products
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AmsoilSponsor
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10/01/2002
13:09:53
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Kdarmy, Sandman, etc., etc.,
I've done some talking with the garage guys I visit. In order to better serve Dodge Dakota owners, here are some of their quotes as follow up information: (this post is NOT to be perceived to discredit any other manufacturer whatsoever)
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What makes "High Mileage" Oil ... a "High Mileage Oil"? Such as Valvoline Maxlife, Mobil1 Higher Mileage, and Quaker State's similar product, etc.? What do these oils really contain that make them different - or do they contain anything/nothing that makes them different?
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"In reality, it's a lot of marketing, and not much change to the oil. They used to contain a lot more additives, like Maxlife did at first, but now the only real difference compared to their other oils is that it uses about a 10% ester mix for it's base oil, supposedly to help slow any leaks. Also, these high mileage oils often end up being on the thicker end of their respective viscosities. Other than that, they aren't much different."
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"I'm not sure they really have these seal conditioning esters as mentioned. From what I have seen between Penzoil and Valvoline High Mileage Oils, neither seem to clean very well. Also, the detergents are lower, and I'd say the detergents are lower for good reason."
"If you were to put esters in the oil, or NOT reduce the detergents, it would tend to clean things and if you clean an old valve stem seal for example, that has been crudded up, it would create a smoker letting oil pass by the hardened seal. This is why I noticed that those oils didn't clean as well as the full synthetic's that are known to have esters in them."
"Also it appears that from some analysis, the high milage oils have a lower level of detergents. By doing this, it would not clean ... but would allow the existing crud to maintain the current seal properties using such."
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Again: These are quotes from mechanics. I believe from their comments they are talking about "high mileage" engines that are not being properly maintained and have built up "crud", sludge, or deposits. Any comments here guys?
Repeat: This post is NOT to be perceived to discredit any other manufacturer whatsoever.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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