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SPORTDAKOTA
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8/22/2002
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I have read many of debate on this subject as to what type of increases to expect but have yet to see any hard numbers or other info. I spoke to the nice people over at k&n and they more then happy to send me a dyno sheet and stats for part #57-1516 application is for the 4.7l dakota. heres the specs as they appear
5.7hp@ 3800 rpm
5.6hp@ 4100 rpm
7.0hp@ 4400 rpm
7.3hp@ 4700 rpm
5.8hp@ 5000 rpm
AS YOU CAN SEE MOST OF THE INCREASE IN POWER COMES AT THE UPPER END OF THE POWERBAND. DO U ALL THINK COST OF ONE OF THESE FIPK IS WORTH IT? TYPICAL PRICES I HAVE FOUND RANGE BETWEEN $250 AND $290 FOR THIS KIT... IF YOU ALREADY HAVE THIS KIT INSTALLED WHAT IS YOUR OPION?
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Angelo
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8/22/2002
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Those numbers are very impressive,but some folks around here are talking about oiled foam being better to trap dirt than oiled cotton.
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Michael
Dodge Dakota
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8/22/2002
01:26:43
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Get a Z-Tube ! Got one on my 00 Quad 4.7 and love
it. I have the one piece Z-tube w/ Big Mouth filter. Will put some pics up in a while @
www.pbase.com/wiz473
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kota on 20s
GenIII
8/22/2002
01:45:28
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for the price you can build your own intake, and order the HO cams.
-Eric
Injection is nice, but i'd rather be blown.
5.2L, 5speed. Powerdyne SC, 50mm TB, 2bbl M-1, 1.7RR's, MSD 6BTM, ciramic JBA headers, carsound cat, dumped gibson
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yates-in-DE
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8/22/2002
07:30:48
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At $250 for 7.3 hp thats about $34.25 a horse.
Hmm, if you spend $409 for headers and get 12 hp this = 34.08 a horse.
Now 3" catback system at $289 at 10 hp =$28.90 a horse.
H.O. CAMS for $200 at 15 hp = $13 a horse.
Super Charger System at 40% gains for $3850 for 94 hp = $40.96 a horse.
Computer Reprogram at $350 at 14 hp = $25 a horse.
Twin Turbo System at 50% gains for $6500 at 118 hp = $55.08 a horse.
I would say it's right in there as worth it. On a second note, the best bang for the buck is the H.O. CAMS and the Computer Reprogram.
For the cheapest combo above for the max hp available will cost an average of $30 a horse.
This is something that has been fairly consistant for 25 years. WOW, mechanics haven't gotten a raise in a long time.
MyVW Killer
Lynn
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MikeS
Dodge Dakota
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8/22/2002
10:59:39
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where can you get a HO cam for $200
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Canucker
Dodge Dakota
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8/22/2002
11:17:09
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I think Yates is even being generous with his guestimates .. on the 4.7L anyhow, I'd say the cat-back is worth 3-4hp
headers maybe 6-7hp
and I've heard of higher gains with the HO cams (20hp or so) ... so, like he said EASILY the best bang for the buck.
MikeS, the HO cams are factory cams for the HO Jeep Grand Cherokee (2002 I think?)... just go to the dealer, or if you want instructions and the install tool too, go to KRC performance.
Hughes Engines started selling them too for $175 .. if you send them your cores.
here's the P/N's MikeS:
HO CAMS:
Left side = 53021411AB
Right side = 53021412AB
For more info on them (installation etc.) search the archives here.
l8r!
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PyRo
Dodge Dakota
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8/22/2002
11:22:01
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I got both cams shipped to my door for $162 and some change from Metro Dodge in snellville GA. I don't remember what the telephone number is. You can search the boards and get it that way. Talk to Chuck in Parts.
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Demon Dakota
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8/22/2002
11:34:25
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The HO Cams should be no more than $73.60 each. That's under $150. Good bang for the buck!
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Selcher
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8/22/2002
11:44:11
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I got a price of $106 each Canadian at the local dealer. So that's $212 plus 15% sales tax. So we're talking $243.80 at my door in Canadian funds. It's not worth it for me to get them from KRC because of the exchange and retarded duty costs. That's still not a bad price for the amount of performance they gain a person. Maybe next month I will get them and install them. I'd still need instructions and the tool. Phuq.
Regards,
Aaron
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Texas Todd
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8/22/2002
11:56:12
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Oh yea,
Paid $55.10 ea for mine from a dealer in R.I.
Got the lead form someone off this site.
That's right, $120, sprayed with oil, and shipped to my door. (sprayed with oil to cut down on the surface rust many have had)
Don't you hate in when someone gets a better deal than you?
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Throttle
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8/22/2002
19:58:37
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I was told by a Dodge Tech. that you could just replace the lobes of the cam because they're just pinned on. Can anyone confirm this?
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WallyR
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8/22/2002
20:48:24
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No, they are not pinned. The shafts are made of steel tubing and the lobes are powder metal forged directly onto the shaft.
Wally
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Tad_W
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8/23/2002
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The K&N filter looks too far back and seems it would suck hot air. For those who want to remove the rubber front flap and have a reasonably priced functional intake, check out our website. Not name brand but it works well. Have sold many with no cracking or melting reported. For the 4.7L. Please don't flame me. This intake is an alternative for those of us who have to buy our kids school cloths and not put excess $$$ into our trucks.
http://www.stores.ebay.com/desertairintakes
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Cotharyus
GenIII
8/23/2002
07:06:41
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No offense Tad_w - but as I've stated on many occasions now, all that's required with the K&N to get it to pull cool air is to remove the flap. The heat shield even makes a really good splash guard.
2001 QC 4x4, 4.7,5 spd, LSD, K&N Gen II Intake, Robert Shaw 180 Stat
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JANGO
Dodge Dakota
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8/24/2002
18:23:02
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THE BEST INTAKE IS THE SHAKER HOOD SETUP-LOOKS BADASS-20HP GAIN-SOUNDS MEAN AS HELL-PEOPLE STARE, AND THATS BEFORE YOU SLAP DUALS ON HER.
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QwikKota
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8/24/2002
21:52:04
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I like the way Easy E is thinking. Just do a custom cone K&N on the airhat, like $35. I just did the HO cams, wasn't too hard, but some experience is necessary. I'll post some tips of my own in a few...
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HSKR
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8/25/2002
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Or you coudl spend under $150 and get the airraid intake which is basically the same as the K&N kit. I have yet to see the K&N in person, but from the pics I've seen, it seems the AirRaid is actually a better design if you replace the stock airhat with a homemade tube. And I've also heard from Bruce Bridges who makes the F&B TB's that the stock airhat has very little restrictions. My friend was able to pick up a AIrRaid fr $80 and spent about $15 more in parts and has pretty much a K&N CAI kit. What's more is the AirRaid doesn't have the bottom shield on it so if you remove the flap next to radiator it works better than the K&N because it can suck in the cool air getting blown into the airbox. Doesn't matter what you do for intakes, homebrew or pre-built, it seems the K&N kit is the most epensive and doesn't offer anything over sme of the other kits besides the name to warrant the higher price.
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jango
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8/25/2002
18:21:33
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hey QwikKota, how hard was this install and what kind of improvements are you feeling?
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Windskin
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9/11/2002
11:51:35
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I just purchased the Airaid kit, but am unimpressed. I noticed no power gain (would you REALLY notice 5-10HP gain in reality?) and the kit seems a bit cheesy. It only uses 2 of the 4 clips that attach it to the stock airbox. I'm gonna return it and for a few $$ more get the K&N FIPK. I found some prices on it at http://www.knfilters.com/FIPK/FIPKOnline.htm
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DeepDak
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9/11/2002
12:19:59
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yates-in-DE:
You forgot something:
$500 for NX system at 50hp = $10 a horse
$500 for NX system at 75hp = $7.50 a horse
$500 for Nx system at 100hp = $5 a horse
heheheh ;)
Eli
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danny price
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9/11/2002
16:10:37
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VERY GOOD POINTS DEEPDAK!
Dan
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