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Lyle R.
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8/12/2002
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Does Amsoil really have the advantage in synthetics? I know they were the first to introduce synthetics to north american auto consumers,but what about their competitors? Can any brand synthetic give roughly the same protection and lubrication performance?
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Big Blue QC
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8/13/2002
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sure. just pay attention to that manufacturers requirements for drain intervals. The drain intervals are indicative of the additives that manufacturer uses. I personally prefer AMSOIL, but form your own opinion.
2002 QC 4x4 Sport Plus, 4.7L, auto, Patriot Blue, Tire & Handling group,
Heavy Duty Service group, Leer cap w/out windows, Mopar Step bars and roof rack, Rhino liner in bed and on step bars, Pace Edwards Power Tailgate lock
3.55 rear, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes, all possible fluids are AMSOIL
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MountainDak
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8/13/2002
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Lyle,
Does Amsoil really have the advantage in synthetics?
Amsoil uses superior base stocks and superior additives packages. No cost cutting and no "price engineering" for the discount chain stores.
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Can any brand synthetic give roughly the same protection and lubrication performance?
Make sure it is 100% synthetic and like Big Blue Stated, pay "close" attention to "that" particular OIL manufacturers requirements for drain intervals.
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Conventional mineral motor oils are refined using crude oil for the base sotck. Mineral oils contain impurities, such as nitrogen, resin, asphalt, wax, carbon, sulfur, and aromatic residues. Refining removes most of these, but some remain to cause problems, especially under stress and temperatures.
In contrast, synthetic oils are developed in the laboratory, from man made orgainc esters and other synthesized hydrocarbons, to provide the exact characteristics desired. These "designer" oils contain no impurities, at least when poured from the can. Impurities, of course, can appear during combustion.
Even the best mineral-based motor oils break down or oxidize at temperatures of 250deg to 350deg F. Above this the life of these oils drops drastically, resulting in increased engine wear and formation of harmful sludge (or BLACK DEATH), varnish and other deposits. Synthetic oils can easily tolerate temperatures of up to 450deg, and some can go up to 550+deg. With synthetic oils, there are no impurities, so they resist oxidation much longer.
Synthetic oils also work better at low temperatures because they flow much more freely down to -40 to -50 degrees F. Also, synthetic oils start lubricating much sooner and reach critical areas much faster.
The advantages? Longer intervals between oil changes are possible because synthetics suffer less breakdown due to the better base stock used. Usually the synthetics will have a better additive package, allowing the oil to clean better among other things.
Word of caution!, Not everyone needs to use a full synthetic oil. There are many times when a good mineral based or synthetic blend will do just as well.
Me, I use AMSOIL !!!
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HelpDesk
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8/13/2002
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HelpDesk
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Amsoil Thread Page One (better to start here)
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Skeletor86
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8/13/2002
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So it sounds like everyone above is an Amsoil person, what about the people that perfer Red Line Oil? I heard it is better the Amsoil, is it true?
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Big Dan
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8/13/2002
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I`ve heard Red Line does use the same Polyol ester base stock as Amsoil which would give it similar performance and thermal stability.Not necessarily better but competitive with Amsoil.I`ve heard a product like Mobil 1 on the other hand uses an Alphaolefin base stock which I hear doesnt have the same degree of thermal stability as poly-esters.
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Skeletor86
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8/14/2002
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So which Synthetic is the best Amsoil or Red Line? These seem the best. The local Dodge shop just quoted me $400 to do trany service, so I think that prompted me to do my own. I have a 4x4 5spd and the 3.92 rear, what do you guys recommend? Plus I live near Denver so I see sub zero and high 90's thru the year.
'01 QC 4x4 4.7l 5spd 3.92 LSD with 22,000 miles
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Dr. D
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8/15/2002
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$400 to do a tranny service ... HOLY COW !
With just 22,000 miles on the DAK you do not need to flush the transmission.
I recommend the AMSOIL due to the fact that they were the company that invented synthetic ATF in the first place.
Just my .02
Dr.D
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Prospector
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8/16/2002
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Lyle,
I think that with the information gathered from Big Blue QC, MountainDak and Dr.D the answer is obvious.
Trust the Innovator NOT an Imitator !
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EyeTrip
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8/16/2002
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You guyz Crack me up.
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sandman
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8/16/2002
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I have Redlines Synthetic C+ATF in my 2001 Dak. I have not had any problems. I changed mine at 10,000 and it has been in for 7,000 miles now. Their are at quite a few people on this board that have Amsoil ATF in. So far no one has had any problems with either. From a cost standpoint Amsoil is alot cheaper especial if you get the prefered customer discount plan. I have Amsoil ATF in my transfercase and so far so good.
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Skeletor86
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8/16/2002
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I thought Red Line came out with their oils before Amsoil.
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