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sandman
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6/21/2002
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GM recomends 100,000 to 150,00 mile drain intervals. This is in the 8.625 rear end's equipted with synthetic gear lube from factory. This is under normal conditions. So I will apoligise for makeing fun of Amsoil's claim of "life of vechile" drain interval for their new 2000 series gear lube. I figure if that type of drain interval can be aproved by an OEM then that is good enough for me!
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AmsoilDealer
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6/21/2002
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Sandman,
I won't make the mistake and take that as an endorsement, just an acknowledgement that there is "sometimes" truth in advertising as long as proper outside and followup research is done by the individual, or that individual seeks out the advice of a trusted expert like yourself.
Thank you,
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer, DodgeDakotas.com Sponsor
www.american-synthetic-oil.com
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sandman
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6/22/2002
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Well, 12 years or so of being a tech and telling people to let me service their diff.'s and trany at 12,000 to 24,000, oil at 3000 is hard to un-do.......... I have often doubled my fluid change intervals with synthetics but I have always felt a little guilty doing so! It is dificult to accept things that go totaly against what you have been taught all of your life. I have been spinning wrenchs for 21 years. I can honestly say that things like extended drain's and light weight oils have not realy been to popular until about 7 years ago. This trend has been slowly gaining steam over the last 7 years. I realize that these issuse have been around since the 1970's but it was pretty much time tested and proven the thicker oil protects better then light oil and that frequent oil changes were better then extended drain changes. While I have slowly come over to the extended drain camp I doubt that I will ever be able to convert to the 0W oils. Even when I am critical of Amsoils marketing I have never critisized their product. I am planning on trying some 0w30 in my old truck this winter before it goes in the Dodge. We will see what we see.
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sandman
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6/22/2002
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Well, 12 years or so of being a tech and telling people to let me service their diff.'s and trany at 12,000 to 24,000, oil at 3000 is hard to un-do.......... I have often doubled my fluid change intervals with synthetics but I have always felt a little guilty doing so! It is dificult to accept things that go totaly against what you have been taught all of your life. I have been spinning wrenchs for 21 years. I can honestly say that things like extended drain's and light weight oils have not realy been to popular until about 7 years ago. This trend has been slowly gaining steam over the last 7 years. I realize that these issuse have been around since the 1970's but it was pretty much time tested and proven the thicker oil protects better then light oil and that frequent oil changes were better then extended drain changes. While I have slowly come over to the extended drain camp I doubt that I will ever be able to convert to the 0W oils. Even when I am critical of Amsoils marketing I have never critisized their product. I am planning on trying some 0w30 in my old truck this winter before it goes in the Dodge. We will see what we see.
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AmsoilDealer
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6/22/2002
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Sandman, I'm sure that you know this ... I simply wanted to post it for those forum readers that are not aware of "viscosity grade" so this is not directed at you.
Topic: NEGATIVE VISCOSITY GRADES (less than " 0w- ")
... a.k.a. "negative ain't always less than zero"
" 0W- " is a viscosity GRADE, not a viscosity MEASUREMENT. When testing for cold fluidity, the temperature is lowered approximately 5 degrees centigrade between each test.
The Cold Crank Simulator Apparent Viscosity is tested at:
-20 C for 10W-
-25 C fpr 5W-
-30 C for 0W-
It is my understanding that the oil has to be labelled at the lowest temperature it meets the specifications. It may not be long before someone comes out with a " -5W-30 " which would correspond with -35 C.
However, I believe that due to the warming of the planet (Alaksa is currently melting, temps up on average of 6%), that there won't be much discussion of "negative weight" oils anytime soon. There are not too many people that live where the winter temperature extremes dip below -30C. However, the planet has cycles and someday negative grades may be all too common.
*** Does the general driving public need a " -5w " motor oil ? I don't think so ... but I do believe that we will have one soon ...as a "marketing ploy" so that everyone becomes more comfortable using " 0w " ***
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer
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David
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6/24/2002
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Thanks Amsoil Dealer. I always wondered how "0" (zero) could offer protection, and now I know.
David
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sandman
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6/24/2002
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Yes that is definately worth re-posting. My problem with oils haveing a 0 or lower viscosity grade has to do with boil off. All of the conventienal 5w30 I have seen boil off rather quickly. When the light hydrocarbons burn off you are left with sludge. So even with synthetics a 0 grade is just a little scary. Amsoil's flash point is only a little higher then conventional oil of the same grade and weight.
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MountainDak
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7/07/2002
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Hey Guys, I live in the mountains and I'm gonna give this product a try. Extended Drain Gear Lube. I use their oil and and like it a hell of a lot. I drive HARD and I'll keep you guys posted as to what I think.
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AmsoilDealer
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7/10/2002
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Mountain Dak,
Good to see you joined the DodgeDakotas.com family. I look forward to running the double blacks with you come winter.
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer
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AmsoilSponsor
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7/16/2002
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MountainDak,
Did you receive your order for the Extended Drain Gear Lube? You have not been available via land line or cell for a week now and I was wondering if everything was alright. How is the cleanup from the fires? Are we going to be able to ski this winter? Let me know.
Steven Roark
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants and Truck Care Products
P.S. I want to talk with you about Amsoil Fundraising opportunities for your Daughters Soccer League. Give me a call.
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MountainDak
Dodge Dakota
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7/20/2002
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Steven,
Yes I am alive and well. I've been up on the mountain with some friends planting some saplings and grass seed to hopefully prevent erosion when the snow comes and we get the spring melt. It will be a dangerous winter for avalanches and spring floods since we lost thousands of acres of underbrush and there are "inches" of soot on the ground.
I've got my box here with my recent order of gear lube, etc. Thanks a lot and I'll keep you posted.
BTW, I gave the Amsoil fundraising material to Bob Jones, Athletic Administrator. He LOVES the idea and will call you next week.
MountainDak
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MountainDak
Dodge Dakota
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7/22/2002
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Steven,
I spent the weekend replacing A-L-L my fluids with AMSOIL. (some already were Amsoil, now I'm 100% except for my Brake Fluid and Power Steering fluid I think... LOL). I got a kick outta reading this about AMSOIL ATF Analysis:
http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/gen/7091.html
He seems like a likeable guy. Come see me.
MountainDak
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ScottDavies
Dodge Dakota
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6/12/2003
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What are the properties of gear lube and what does it do?
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6/12/2003
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FYI - Gear Lube Information:
High quality gear oils must lubricate, cool and protect geared systems. They must also carry damaging wear debris away from contact zones and muffle the sound of gear operation. Commonly used in differential gears and standard transmission applications in commercial and passenger vehicles, as well as a variety of industrial machinery, gear oils must offer extreme temperature and pressure protection in order to prevent wear, pitting, spalling, scoring, scuffing and other types of damage that result in equipment failure and downtime. Protection against oxidation, thermal degradation, rust, copper corrosion and foaming is also important.
AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 75W-90 Gear Lube delivers unbeatable protection and fuel economy (independent testing shows class 8 vehicles with AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 75W-90 Gear Lube in the differentials obtained up to 4.83 percent more mpg than vehicles equipped with another popular gear lube). Amsoil Synthetic Gear Lube has the film strength required to deliver all the protection heavy-duty and high-stress applications need in a fuel-saving viscosity grade. AMSOIL Series 2000 Synthetic 75W-90 Gear Lube is recommended for use in all passenger vehicles, commercial trucks and race vehicles.
AMSOIL 75W-90, 80W-90 AND 85W-140 Gear Lubes exceed the lubrication and performance requirements for gear boxes where API MT-1, GL-4 or GL-5 lubricants are specified.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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JBGoode
Dodge Dakota
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6/14/2003
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Has anyone heard from or seen Sandman. I'm posting here because he started this thread. Thanks, he was a good sourse of info here, and i have not seen him for a long time.
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AmsoilSponsor
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3/06/2005
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Yes, this thread was last posted to in 2003.
My how things have changed ... so worthy of a "bump".
... Oil at $55 a Barrel and Gasoline Over $2.00 a Gallon
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AMSOIL has 30+ years of oil analysis data showing their oils provide extended interval drain service capabilities. Big oil companies can't argue with that data or explain it away. They would prefer that you "buy into the myth" of 3k mile oil changes because it adds profits to their bottom line.
AMSOIL offers extended drain intervals because we start with superior base oils and and the additive package is properly balanced, blended, and capable of performing for extended drains.
Now the entire industry is moving in that direction. It has been published that automotive manufacturers will be recommending extended drain intervals of up to 15,000 miles in the near future (they already are in Europe) ... because that's what consumers want.
Amsoil's Extended Oil Drain Interval: It is the right thing to do for the consumer, for the environment, and a way to reduce american dependence on foreign oil.
Longer Drain Intervals = less oil used.
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Industry tests have shown improved fuel economy of 2 - 5% in vehicles using synthetic lubricants. Many AMSOIL customer testimonials tell of even greater savings. If all cars in America used AMSOIL synthetic motor oil, gear lubes and drive train fluids, we would save enough fuel to eliminate our need for thousands of barrels of oil.
As mentioned earlier, there is another way to reduce oil usage. AMSOIL synthetic motor oils are designed for extended drain intervals and reduce the amount of oil used by as much as 80%.
Fewer oil changes means less oil used.
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