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Pinnacle
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6/20/2002
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I was reading the site, and it says I can leave the oil in for 25,00 miles, just change the filter at 12,500, but how do I just change the filter? dont I have to drain the oil first? and if I do that wont the oil go to waste?
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Don
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6/20/2002
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You unscrew the filter, you might lose about a half qt. But for $12.00 - $15.00 change the oil and filter. If I can't pay for oil and a filter I would quit driving.
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Bernd
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6/21/2002
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The filter may work pretty darn good...but leaving the oil in there for more than 7000 miles (even if you loose 1qt and add it at the filter change) is just plain stupid.
The contaminents and byproducts of combustion will STILL break down the oil no matter what.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
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Plain Stupid
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6/21/2002
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Well then I guess I am just PLAIN STUPID cause I am doing it and have been doing so for almost ten years and I drive my trucks and ride my equipment hard.
I also spend $14.00 doing oil analysis every hundred hours on my equipment and as needed on my pick-up.
I own a Commercial Lawncare Business and AMSOIL has been one of the best products I have ever found ... Period !
Plain Stupid
(a.k.a. Dr.D)
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2DaksRandR
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I'd say 5k is easily within the reach of a modern Group II based oil and 6-8k possible for group III, with certain caveats. Some engines are much harder on oil than others.
As far as PAO based synthetics I'd say 10k is a good conservative limit for the 5W30s, others certainly being able to go 12-15k. Of course if your analysis is still coming out good at that point, then you can push it further.
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DaddyDak
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6/21/2002
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You have to remember:
35k miles OR 1 year, changing the Amsoil FF Filter every 12.5k miles. Amsoil does not recommend 35k miles alone ... (not 10k miles per year so change it only once every 3.5 years).
If you are driving under "normal" conditions, and changing your full flow(Amsoil) every 12.5k it would be no problem to go 35k, otherwise Amsoil would not warranty their extended oil, nor advertise it to be such!
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DaddyDak
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STUPID ME !!!
Not enough coffee yet today.
I meant 25k miles !!!
therefore NOT once every 2.5 years.
MY BAD !!!
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QwikKota
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6/21/2002
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Yes, the drain intervals are 25,000 miles or 1 full yr, whichever first. I am an internet dealer for Amsoil, and the guy who is my sponsor, Dave Mann, has Amsoil in his Powerstroke Diesel and in his gasoline engine truck. He does oil analysis on them and regular 12,500 mile filter changes. He has had the diesel going for 2 yrs on the same Amsoil change and 3 full years in his gasoline truck and the analysis still comes back acceptable. I'm putting mine in this weekend on my 02' and will do some before and after mileage tests and keep everybody posted. Also am swapping out the tranny fluid (5spd) for Amsoil 5W30 and will see if that improves the mileage any also.
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There is a lot of debate regarding extended interval oil change, dino vs. synthetic, Brand "X" vs. Brand "Y", proper filtration, etc., ...including here at DodgeDakotas.com, so I will keep this simple and to the point.
I will also keep it pleasant as many posts are borderline hostile.
AMSOIL has 25 years of oil analysis data showing their oils provide extended interval drain service capabilities. Big oil companies can't argue with that data or explain it away. They would prefer that you "buy into the myth" of 3k mile oil changes because it adds profits to their bottom line.
Making a blanket statement that additives in oil begin to die after only 2k to 3k miles is simply put ... wrong.
It is true that the additives in many oils begin breaking down after only a few thousand miles. What needs to be recognized is that there are different qualities or “grades” of additives just as there are different qualities or "grades" of just about any other product that you buy. There are also different combinations of additives that tend to work better ...and for longer periods ...when combined ... than when they are used individually.
AMSOIL offers extended drain intervals because the oil and additive packake is properly balanced, blended, and capable of performing for extended drains.
Now the entire industry is moving in that direction. It has been published that automotive manufacturers will be recommending extended drain intervals of up to 15,000 miles in the near future ... because that's what consumers want.
Amsoil's Extended Oil Drain Interval: It is the right thing to do for the consumer, for the environment, and a way to reduce american dependence on foreign oil. Longer intervals = less oil used.
Regarding the initial post: "I was reading the site, and it says I can leave the oil in for 25,00 miles, just change the filter at 12,500, but how do I just change the filter? dont I have to drain the oil first? and if I do that wont the oil go to waste?"
Answer: Replace the existing Full Flow Filter at 12.5 k miles (or 6-months, whichever comes first) as you would during a "regular" oil change. You will only need to replace the amount of oil that is in the filter +/- for spillage, as the balance of the oil should remain. You do not have to drain the oil first.
If for personal reasons anyone is not comfortable with extended drain intervals Amsoil has other synthetic oils available.
Thank You,
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer
www.american-synthetic-oil.com
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Rascal
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6/21/2002
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Do any new car manufacturers recommend this or do any new cars come with Amsoil from the factory, anywhere in the world?
Rascal
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fourgivn1
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6/21/2002
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Probably not, but then again, they don't come with K&N air filters, Autolite spark plugs, Borla cat-back muffler systems, etc. I can see what he means when he says "They would prefer that you "buy into the myth" of 3k mile oil changes because it adds profits to their bottom line." In other words, if they don't tell you about Amsoil, you'll go to them for your oil changes. I'm going to have to do a LOT more research on this, but at the least, it IS interesting.
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Future mods: Tonneau cover
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Pinnacle
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6/21/2002
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Hey this is all great info, but I am already set on buying amsoil, the thing is, when I change the oil filter at 12,500, do I drain my oil? or do I just unscrw the filter without draining the oil? and if I do have to drain the oil? doenst all that oil go to waste cause I cant put it back in??
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Amsoil
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I did post the answer earlier:
Replace the existing Full Flow Filter at 12.5 k miles (or 6-months, whichever comes first) as you would during a "regular" oil change. You will only need to replace the amount of oil that is in the filter +/- for spillage, as the balance of the oil should remain. You do not have to drain the oil first.
Thank You,
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer
www.american-synthetic-oil.com
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fourgivn1
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6/21/2002
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Oh, I'm not knocking Amsoil at all. Quite the opposite. In fact, as long as I can get some 'hard info' (research paper, or a website posting analysis), I'll get it myself. Steven, can you give me any assistance on this? Thanks.
Current mods: A MUFFLER. That's it. (For now.)
Future mods: Tonneau cover
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Pinnacle
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So I can take off the oil filter without draining the oil first? If I do this, wont the oil in the enging just start gushing out from where the oil filter is suposed to be?
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QwikKota
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Don't you know anything about gravity? The oil pan is lower than the filter so unless the car is upside down, the only oil that will come out is the oil in the filter and upstream of it. Like oil in the passages. There should only be a little bit in the passages if you have an anti-drainback valve in your filter. But that is probably just confusing. Guess you have to start somewhere.
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fourgivn1:
I would prefer to email you or send you information via the U. S. Postal Service (snail mail)...whichever you deserve.
In the meantime here is an interesting link if you are interested in the descrepencies of oil quality found by the API in random testing.
www.imakenews.com/lng/e_article000076081.cfm?x=r
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Pinnacle:
It is obvious that you have not ever been under a car/truck to watch someone change the oil. I grew up on an 80 acre farm so I've been under many vehicles. I am more than willing to help you here. (If you are near NYC or NJ I'll even get under yours and show you how.)
First: There are "special" oil filter wrenches. They tighten around the filter case as you turn the wrench. You can pick one up at any automotive store, even Walmart's auto department.
Follow the directions (or ask someone in the department to demonstrate) to remove the filter.
The new filter is placed on the vehicle in reverse order that you took off the old filter.
There is an oil pan under the car that holds the oil (it is pumped up and circulates the engine when the engine is running). The oil pan is below the filter level so no oil will escape when you take off the filter.
The only way to loose oil is if you remove the "oil plug" which is at the bottom of the oil pan.
The only oil that will be "lost" is the oil that is actually in the filter and a VERY small amount of spillage.
There should be anywhere from 1/2 quart to 1 quart of oil that needs to be replaced after you put the new filter on.
Add the oil ... check your dipstick ... and away you go.
Does this help?
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer
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Dr. D
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I do not want to make anyone here angry with me due to what I posted earlier but I am always having to defend myself when it comes to the fact that I use AMSOIL.
I also endorse a lot of other great products here at DodgeDakotas.com .... just look and see!
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Dr.D
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It's okay Dr. D.
It's the SW - SW - SW - DM - situation.
Some Will! Some Won't! So What! Don't Matter!
You and I are believers (and many, many more)
Additional information for you and those interested...
AMSOIL Synthetic Oil surpasses the North American AAMA, Japanese JASO and European ACEA oil specifications for high temperature/high shear viscosity protection.
Automobile manufacturers and OEM oils
The vehicle manufacturers need to sell you vehicles, that's their business... sell new and REPLACEMENT vehicles. Each vehicle maker has product planned obsolescence built into their business plan (frame-body-drivetrain-ENGINE-etc.). They won't tell you about or recommend AMSOIL synthetic oil because your vehicle engine might last two or three times as long. That's not in their business interest! Also they make a tremendous profit on the OEM oil that they sell. This OEM oil provides two functions, it keeps your vehicle on their planned schedule for maintainance, repairs, and wearout ... and it adds a tremendously profitable add-on sale. So recommending AMSOIL synthetic oil that would make your vehicle last longer and reduce their oil sales would be counter productive to their business plan.
Dealers and their Demands
If your vehicle dealer takes issue with you using AMSOIL Synthetic oil and tells you that it will affect your Warranty if you don't use their OEM oil. Please have them refer to the Magnuson - Moss Act (1977) which states that if a Dealer requires (demands) that you use their parts or accessories, they must supply them "Free of Charge."
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer, www.dodgedakota.com sponsor
www.american-synthetic-oil.com
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5/03/2003
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I searched and pulled up this "old thread" because everyone keeps asking about Amsoil's claim of 25k mile Extended Drains. This post is to CLEAR THE AIR.
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I try to be very clear when talking about extended drains. 10,000 mile oil change is absolutely possible. Up to a 25,000 mile interval is possible under certain conditions, but please read further for additional information. But the KEY here is that --- The 3,000 mile recommendation is overkill, especially with superior synthetic oils.
I know it's hard to believe, but there are a few things that I would like to clarify. Amsoil has been in the oil industry for 30 years. Due to Amsoil's superior synthetic composition and advanced performance additives, AMSOIL performs much longer than do conventional petroleum and other synthetic motor oils. No other major oil manufacturer matches AMSOIL's 25,000-mile or one-year drain interval recommendations (whichever comes FIRST, changing the filter every six months).
However, the 25,000 mile /1 year that is on the back of the bottle is NOT an absolute! One must realize that is for non-severe service (highway miles where you have stable operating conditions) and that the indicated drain interval also has a time period of 1 year maximum as well.
***** READ THIS PLEASE EVERYONE: Under a combination of city and highway circumstances, AMSOIL recommends up to 2 or 3 times longer, it means up to 2 or 3 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation (If your owners manual states 3k miles , then you can change at 9k, and if your owners manual states 5k then 12-15k changes would be alright based on driving habits ... the harder you drive, the sooner the change). Proper filtration is also very important. AMSOIL SDF Oil Filters must be changed at least every 6 months regardless of miles driven.
Notice: Modifications to engine will change service intervals.
Notice: More frequent service may be required under severe service operating conditions.
Notice: For drain interval beyond 3x manufacturers recommendations (especially the 25k change) ---
Regular oil analysis is recommended for establishing drain intervals.
AMSOIL --- 30 years of manufacturing oil and mountains of data and tests make these clains possible.
Let me know if you need additional information.
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Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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JimmyNeon
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Steve (Amsoil),
I pulled this up to ask a question. Why does oil need to be changed 1 time per year? Does the oil go bad like radiator coolant? I'm just curious. If I have 15,000 miles in 1 year on Amsoil synthetic, why can't I keep going until I hit the 25,000 mile mark? Maybe this would be 1 3/4 years?
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TigerDak
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A great discussion guys!
Anyways, I have never bought into the idea of 3/3000 mile oil changes. In fact, my Chrysler manual states to change the oil every 7,500 miles, and it also states to only change it every 3,000 miles if you are constantly driving on dirt roads and pulling things. And who knows my truck better than those who built it? Those are the only two criteria it states for the whole 3/3,000 oil change concept. For everyone else, they recommend 7,500 mile changes.
And why are we constantly being told to change it at least every 3 months? If my truck was driven 100 miles during 3 months is my oil now suddenly worn down and dirty? I doubt it. After all, its been sitting in the Earth for a billion years - what's another 3 months gonna do? LOL! Personally, I change about every 5,000 miles, sometimes 4,000 if I'm bored.
I believe the 3/3,000 oil change dogma is the biggest automotive marketing gimmick ever created. If I could afford the $200, I would buy one of Amsoil's filter and bypass filter setup for my truck and never change it again. Sending Amsoil an oil analysis once a year for $12 is hardly any effort at all.
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5/30/2003
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JimmyNeon,
Let's first ask ... what is the significance of the "3,000 MILE OIL CHANGE"?
The time line (or distance in this case) is about as useful as the instructions on most hair shampoo where is states: lather, rinse and repeat.
You use more shampoo (or oil) and they sell more and increase their profits.
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Now to your question of:
Why does oil need to be changed 1 time per year?
It is more or less ... a disclaimer. If it was not quoted as such, some idiot would go 5 years between changes and then say, "you never said I had to change it".
I have witnessed some customers run the same batch of Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oil for two full years (15k-21k miles) on several occasions, and it tested "suitable for continued use". This was done under primarily highway driving conditions with a mechanically sound engine. I would recommend testing the oil (Used Oil Analysis, or UOA) at the 1 year point if you are going to do this.
Amsoil, with 30 years of laboratory testing, and millions of highway miles of testing ... have determined that the 25,000 mile and/or 1 year (whichever comes first) extended drain can be accomplished --- under normal driving conditions --- and in a mechanically sound engine.
*** Note: On the back of the Amsoil bottle, and in their literature, Amsoil states that you can extend your oil change interval up to 2-3 times the manufacturers recommendation. If you are going to be driving 25,000 miles and/or 1 year (whichever comes first) between oil changes (changing the filter at 6 months or 12,500 miles), you should perform a UOA to determine if your engine (along with your driving conditions) are suitable for extended drain. Otherwise, you can certainly extend your drains 2-3 times longer than stated in your owners manual.
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Regarding your other comment about coolants:
Conventional coolant is replaced every 2 years, "long-life" coolant every 3-5, and some European brands utilize lifetime coolant.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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what a bunch of freekin losers -- give yourself an amsoil enima and ya won't have to sh"t for two years - it's a proven BS fact . Pour some Amsoil on your boy friends butt and you can stroke for hours. Amsoil even cures upset stomachs - just drink some ... it's amazing no big store sells it.
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4x4Dak
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Hey QwikKota,
Are you sure that's 5w-30 oil that goes in the 5speed? I've been trying to find out for the past few months, but no one seems to know. I asked the dealer and course... they didn't have a F@#$kin clue. I also looked in the manual, and all it said was the part number.
01 QC 4x4 4.7L 5spd 3.92LS
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Gibson Exhaust dumped, Optimizer II(not worth the money), Bosch Platinums, 3" lift, 33" BFG AT’s
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Russell
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Hey Hmmmmm. I just read that Redline Oil recently wrote an article that SUPPORTS Amsoils claims of 25k miles between oil changes. Repeat, SUPPORTS the FACT that some synthetics are capable of 25k miles between changes. Are you a believer in Redline? If so you have to respect their POSITIVE position on EXTENDED DRAINS.
How do you feel about Royal Purple? Neo? Schaeffers? All quality synthetic oils. You only attack Amsoil when the Amsoil advertiser (Steve) trys to answers our questions. If you owned this site would you want some jerks attacking your advertisers? Please go away so the rest of us can seriously talk about our trucks.
Repeat: Redline Oil recently wrote an article that SUPPORTS Amsoils claims of 25k miles between oil changes. Repeat, SUPPORTS the FACT that SOME synthetics are capable of 25k miles between changes.
Hmmmmm, You can go back to your corner now. Time Out.
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George
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What does the name Amsoil mean? Is there any special relevance to the "Ams" part of Amsoil? Just curious.
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4x4Dak
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the tire rack - a noble sponsor - has a lot of class and they don't peddle their products into the brains of the idle for some free advertising by free messages under a variety of names
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Josh
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i change filter and oil every 3 thousand..
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