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AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 6/02/2003 06:58:05	Subject: RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: 4x4Dak, Good Guess but inaccurate. Amsoil was founded 30 years ago and the name was originally AmZoil, derived from Al Amatuzio (The Owner). Penzoil sued (stating in court that the use of the letter "z" would confuse customers). I have heard that Penzoil started this legal action after they tried (unsuccessfully) to buy out Amzoil. Amzoil was not interested in selling. Al Amatuzio's desire for technical innovation, his commitment to higher quality and his belief that consumers respond to superior products remain the core of the Amsoil philosophy, and he was not interested in selling out. Penzoil had the resources to buy Amzoil or bury Amzoil in court, so what choice did Amzoil have but to change the name to "Amsoil" or go down in flames fighting a big corporation. Amzoil changed their name to "Amsoil" while the lawsuit was pending. The lawsuit went to the court system, and eventually Al (Amsoil) won, and could have used the name Amzoil. But by that time, AMSOIL was in distribution and it was easier to leave it that way (rather than confuse customers and incur the added expense of changing the name back). ------------------------------------- Amsoil: First: --- to develop an API-rated 100 percent synthetic motor oil. --- to introduce the concept of "extended drain intervals" with a recommended 25,000-mile/1-year drain interval. --- to produce synthetic motor oils for diesel engines, racing engines, turbo and marine engines. --- to introduce synthetic oils that legitimately contribute to improving fuel efficiency. --- to manufacture synthetic gear lube for automotive use. --- to manufacture a synthetic automatic transmission fluid for automotive use. -------------------------------------------------- Why would Al Amatuzio sell out? Remember when the Japanese automobiles were "much better" than American automobiles? The competition forced American manufacturers to improve their quality. The same holds true in the oil industry. -------------------------------------------------- Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
Timberwolf GenIII 6/02/2003 11:48:50	RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: I am currently using Amsoil and I was wondering how to do an "Oil Analysis". I don't think the local Speedy Lube can do it. Do I have to buy a test kit or something? Also, to any of those that have done a filter only change, what's the best way to keep the oil in from filter from going everywhere? Or, do you just accept that there is going to be a mess and clean it up?
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 6/02/2003 21:35:47	RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: Timberwolf, Always good to see members posting ... then "any name", "Hmmmmm", and other flamers see that it is true Dakota owners and Enthusiasts asking important questions ... looking for honest answers. ------------------------------------------------ First, Amsoil uses and recommends Oil Analyzers, Inc. You can find their information in your Amsoil catalog. Reminder ... you are not looking for raw #'s ... but also an interpretation of those #'s. ------------------------------------------------- NOTE: For the above reason ... You should use a lab that is familiar with the additive chemstry of the oil you are using. For instance ... testing Amsoil, I'd use Oil Analyzers, Inc., and for all you Mobil1 users, AV Lube. I think you will get more accurate data on oxidation, nitration, TBN, etc., etc., if you do this. ------------------------------------------------- What is Oil Analysis? Oil analysis involves sampling and analyzing oil for various properties and materials to monitor wear and contamination in an engine, transmission or hydraulic system. Sampling and analyzing on a regular basis establishes a baseline of normal wear and can help indicate when abnormal wear or contamination is occurring. Oil analysis works like this. Oil that has been inside any moving mechanical apparatus for a period of time reflects the exact condition of that assembly. Oil is in contact with engine or mechanical components as wear metallic trace particles enter the oil. These particles are so small they remain in suspension. Many products of the combustion process also will become trapped in the circulating oil. The oil becomes a working history of the machine. Particles caused by normal wear and operation will mix with the oil. Any externally caused contamination also enters the oil. By identifying and measuring these impurities, you get an indication of the rate of wear and of any excessive contamination. An oil analysis also will suggest methods to reduce accelerated wear and contamination. The typical oil analysis tests for the presence of a number of different materials to determine sources of wear, find dirt and other contamination, and even check for the use of appropriate lubricants. Oil analysis can detect: Fuel dilution of lubrication oil, Dirt contamination in the oil, Antifreeze in the oil, Excessive bearing wear, Misapplication of lubricants. Some wear is normal, but abnormal levels of a particular material can give an early warning of impending problems and possibly prevent a major breakdown. Early detection can: Reduce repair bills, Reduce catastrophic failures, Increase machinery life, Reduce non-scheduled downtime. Early detection with oil analysis can allow for corrective action such as repairing an air intake leak before major damage occurs. Probably one of the major advantages of an oil analysis program is being able to anticipate problems and schedule repair work to avoid downtime during a critical time of use. Another purpose of oil analysis is to provide a means of predicting possible impending failure without dismantling the equipment. A person can "look inside" an engine, transmission or hydraulic systems without taking it apart. ------------------------------------------------ Once you order the "sampling kit" follow the directions very close so as to NOT contaminate the sample. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT. ---------------- I could go on-and-on about the merits and benefits of oil analysis. Entire phamplets have been written on the subject. However, the proper lab will do the dirty work and provide you with a "bottom line" interpretation. ---------------- Changing the oil filter ... sorry but as usual it will be a little messy ... but except for the oil that is in the filter ... you should loose only a few ounces. ------------------------------------------------ Thank You, Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
TigerDak Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 6/03/2003 21:17:20	RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: Can anyone do an oil analysis on their oil even if they are currently using inferior oil? Or does it HAVE to be Amsoil oil? And if they can, how much is it and how do I do it?
inahury1 Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 6/04/2003 03:37:44	RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: I work with a guy that is a amsoil dealer He thinks this stuff is gold, uses every product they sell. He just replaced his car because it was using a quart of that Amsoil every 500 miles this was after running the oil in that car for about 3 years, in that time he had almost every seal replaced in the engine and trany because of leaks. He still said this was the best out there. I forgot to mention he ran it in his wifes Astro van from the time that it was new or at least after the breakin period, Rreplaced the transmision after 30k miles the dealer would not cover it under warrenty because the fluid (Amsoil) does not cary the SAE certification, or did not a year ago, I do not know if it is know?
GaDak2001 Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 6/04/2003 06:18:15	RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: Mr inahurry1. Do u think we believe your story? no. Every seal leaking. no. A qt. every 500 miles. No. Dealer not honoring warranty. no. Why do we know this story is a lie? Because you said HE WAS STILL A BELIEVER and that he said AMSOIL WAS STILL THE BEST OUT THERE. If that was his real story he would not say that. You lie. By the way, I am a mechanic and there is no way to tell what brand of oil or tranny fluid is in an engine even with testing so it can't void a warranty. period. Where is the beef in your argument? It ain't there. You lie.
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 6/04/2003 08:26:33	RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: TigerDak, I won't comment on the two prior posts. They add nothing to the sharing of "true" information. Flames and misrepresentations are all that they really are. ------------------------------------------------- Cost and Convenience of Oil Analysis: The cost of an oil analysis will vary according to the laboratory and extent of the analysis. Typical charges are $10 to $30 per analysis. The expense easily can be justified if it alerts the owner of a major problem that can be corrected and will help prevent downtime when the vehicle or machine is needed. Several companies have developed oil analysis kits that make oil analysis convenient. These kits include the sample bottles, suction pump and tubing, and possibly a pre-addressed, postage-paid mailing container. The reasonable cost and convenience of oil analysis for use makes it another management tool that should be considered by anyone wanting to do preventive maintenance. As I stated earlier ... You should use a lab that is familiar with the additive chemstry of the oil you are using. For instance ... testing Amsoil, I'd use Oil Analyzers, Inc., and for all you Mobil1 users, AV Lube. I think you will get more accurate data on oxidation, nitration, TBN, etc., etc., if you do this. Also, Blackstone Labs & Dyson Analysis are two very good oil analysis companies and you can also check the Yellow Pages for someone nearby. As Always ... Happy to help. Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
Donnie Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 6/07/2003 09:43:02	RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: I am using Redline. Which analisis company do you recommend for my oil.
AmsoilSponsor DakotaEnthusiast 6/08/2003 11:43:08	RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: For Redline Motor Oil ... Oil Analyzers, Inc., Blackstone Labs, or Dyson Analysis would provide you with an excellent analysis. Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
topping Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 6/14/2003 22:26:44	RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: Don't out me ... now i am t-ing ... aka ttt
INAHURY1 Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 6/17/2003 15:34:20	RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: Does Amsoil carry the SAE and API certifications yet? These are required to maintain the manufatures warrenty.
Timberwolf GenIII 6/17/2003 19:10:48	RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: Thanks Steve. I don't know why people are always making stuff up about how Amsoil ruins engines. Obviously they have never tried it. Anyway, I appreciate the info and I went to the website and found the kit.
FrankR Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 8/15/2003 10:49:55	RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: A word about the oil drain interval differences with Europe & Japan & USA. I am from Europe. Forgive me for English not being too good. I am Product Engineer of company that distributes the Chevron lubricants. I hold frequently educational seminars with our customers and clients, and I do not post much here but I read as my family has Dakota. Here I post as I am with Chevron. I chose the basic subject of the your discussion: * why in Europe the oil drains intervals are more than in USA? May be base oils and additive package in Europe are better? * how to determine «exact» drain interval? * how to select oil for the vehicle? I shall begin from the first question and if my answer will be interesting for you I shall keep on later. The answer, why in USA drain intervals of oil are LESS than in Europe hides in the design features of engines from USA and Europe. In the American engines the upper compression ring of piston is located almost on a piston head. It is considered (and it is the truth) that fuel composite that located between the wall of cylinder, the first piston ring and wall of the piston does not burn. The large masses of metal do not give temperature to be pushed up prior to the beginning fire. Therefore, unburned fuel will be rejected in an exhaust pipe. Someone will tell that this amount is very little. But the sea consists from the many drops of water! The American designers have located the first ring, as it is possible above. Now it gets into combustion zone. The oil that accumulates on this ring at piston move to the top dead center is burn too. I am sure that you know, that after combustion of oil forms an ash (not sulphate). It is solid rest. This rest, accruing on a piston ring, plays a part of abrasive that reduce a wear. Besides you know, that the detergency, dispersancy, total base number etc. are directly depend on amount of ash. Engines designers and oils manufacturers are come to an accommodation - ashy additives so much to not cause abrasive wear, but not so much for long life. European engine manufacturers (and Japanese too) have pulled down the upper compression ring below, so that it did not fall in combustion zone. The oil on it does not burn, therefore and will not be to form of the abrasive rest. It is possible to raise ash content in oil together with increasing TBN, detergents, dispersants and so on. With increase of these performances is increase endurance of engine oil usage also. Therefore at usage of the AMERICAN oil in the AMERICAN engines the drain interval is less, than at usage of EUROPEAN oils in EUROPEAN engines. I am sure you can to view independently alternative versions of oils and engines. As to base oils and additives, they are practically identical in Europe and USA. There are only minor differences. You must use the better oils in USA as most are not good. In Europe we have better formulations of your oils and are at 17.000 km to 25.000 km oil drain intervals. Use oil with best base oils and good additive package. Frank R
BigBlue QC GenIII 8/15/2003 13:42:01	RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: FrankR, great info. Thanks 2002 QC 4x4 Sport Plus, 4.7L, auto, Patriot Blue, Tire & Handling group, Heavy Duty Service group, Leer cap w/out windows, Mopar Step bars and roof rack, Rhino liner in bed and on step bars, Pace Edwards Power Tailgate lock 3.55 rear, 4-wheel anti-lock brakes, all possible fluids are AMSOIL
jeremiah2360 Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 8/15/2003 16:12:10	RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: Timberwolf, Cut the bottom off a two liter plastic soda bottle. Loosen the oil filter enough so it doesn`t leak but can turn by hand. Slide soda bottle over filter and remove. I don`t spill a drop using this method.(learned it on this site!)
Timberwolf GenIII 8/15/2003 20:43:26	RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: Thanks Jerimiah. I'll use that next time.
AlexB Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 8/16/2003 18:02:26	RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: With all due respect to FrankR this is very good information, but for those of us who are not fluid in the terms and issues the accent is tough to understand. Is anyone interested in restating these points in common American english for us common folks?
Terry2001 Dodge Dakota JOIN HERE 8/16/2003 18:11:53	RE: Amsoil Extended Drain IP: Logged Message: I think some of it ( discussion / problems / lack of understanding )has to do with the fact that cheap dino oil is 99 cents / qt. here and so there hasn't been a thrust towards extended drain intervals like in Europe / Japan. Why go longer when you can get fresh cheap dino oil in there for a whole $15-20. Whereas, in Europe oils are twice the price or more, so why change it unneccesarily. Secondly, that is why ACEA formed and there are VW and M-B specs...most U.S. oil can't make grade ( pardon the pun ) and so we see things like Toyota sludge, M-B lawsuits, etc., etc. Cheap oils used in Japanese and European engines here in the USA is destroying the engines. America should take note. The oil industry here in the USA is part of the situation ( problem ). They produce the cheapest oil they can to keep their profit margins, knowing buying patterns of US customers. Where is the third party study that says 3k is the recommended interval? (other than Jiffy Lube ads, that is) Many car manufacturers don't recommend extended drain intervals because they know that most oils on the market are not suited for that. Especially when Americans shop at Walmart for almost everything. Car manufacturers would have to recommend certain oils and they don't wanna do that unless they have a marketing agreement with a particular oil company. However, M-B has send notice to all their owners telling them to use synthetic only.
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