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booster
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6/14/2002
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Does anyone know of a turbo for a four cylinder. Or anything to get it out of its own way besides a chip and exhaust and the other basics? Thanks for your time.
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xplikt
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6/14/2002
10:29:14
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It would be cheaper to just drop a bigger engine in...
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alex
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6/14/2002
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Are you sure it would be cheaper? I bet if the twin kit for the R/T is gonna run about $5000-$5500, then the single for a 4-cyl would run about $3500 or so....... It's gonna be about that much to do a V-8 swap and the cool factor would be enormous. Getting 12's and 25 mpg.... that's cool.
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xplikt
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6/14/2002
13:43:05
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You are not going to get 12s from a mildly boosted 2.5L, I'm sorry, that is a lil exaggerated -- to get that takes a hell of a lot more modification.
BTW, there are no turbos for the 2.5L, so you would have to do all the work yourself. You can try to get a shop to do it; the shop will either tell you the same thing I just did, or do a custom setup for nearly 5 grand -- that's on the low side I think.
If you had the tools and equipment, you might be able to find a small turbo off an eclipse or soobie to rebuild. Then again, if you have the ability to weld your own piping, then you proably have the space and tools to rebuild an engine.
You could save up the cash and wait 'till the 5.7L hits the Dakota..if it does.
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alex
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6/14/2002
13:54:59
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Yeah, a bigger engine will get results, but then again who said "mildly" booosted?
The price always depends on how fast you want to go.
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xplikt
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6/14/2002
13:58:41
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Yes, the price always will. However, the 2.5L is still not an economical way to go, how many buy-off-the-shelf forged pistons have you seen for this engine. Not just pistons would need help either. Not as reliable or diffucult as a 360 either.
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alex
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6/14/2002
14:09:41
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Okay, fine. Forget the turbo kit. The only way to get a 4-cyl truck to go faster is to buy a V-8 and swap it in.
You win.
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CW
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6/14/2002
14:15:24
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I would rather smoke a V-8 with my 2.5 though that would be funny. If I had a 2.5.
2001 4.7HO RC 5sp 3.92 LSD
Click on thumbnail for mods.
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alex
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6/14/2002
14:23:34
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I thought it would be funny, too. But xplikt thought it would be too expensive. So I gave up.
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IntenseDak39
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6/14/2002
14:38:04
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i bet if someone thought about it they could adapt the older shelby turbos (T1-T2l) to the 2.5..... run ahellofalota boost and hit twelves.. but they would also have to get rid of a lot of weight and such.
intensedak39
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Mike S.
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6/14/2002
14:59:57
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Actually people have taken turbos from the 2.2L Chrysler cars and put them on the 2.4L Dakota 4 cyl engine. Everything apperently bolts right in. Check the archives at www.dakota-truck.net, there is a post there with one guys web page. He's getting V8 power out of a 4 cylinder. Can't knock that one bit.
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v8eater
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6/14/2002
15:03:18
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Throw out the engine you have and put in a bigger on! Why is that every rednecks answer to needing more power?
You know what? Most people who don't have a V8 bought their vehicle knowing that they weren't getting a V8, and they were happy with that. If they wanted a V8 they would have bought one in the first place.
Why are you rednecks fixing up your 318's? Why don't you put in 360's? Why are you fixing up you 360's when you could install a Viper crate motor?
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dak318
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6/14/2002
15:38:31
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Well the reason this redneck didn't put 360 in is because it wouldn't fit. I tryed!!!
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xplikt
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6/14/2002
16:41:49
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I never said it wouldn't be funny, but g'damn that's one expensive joke, ya know?
For dragging, nah, you do not want that, you're just hurting yourself with that lil 4 banger, but for auto-x, I would prefer it since it's a lot less weight on the front end. Depends on what you are doing, it always will.
There is nothing wrong with either one, but I'm just pointing out some of the things to help him/her with their decision. Maybe they actually do solo-2 on the weekends and this would be PERFECT for him/her! Who knows, they asked for help, and I believe I gave a whole-hearted rational answer. What have you contributed to this post but:
"it would funny"
Instead, tell me why you think a turbo would be a better idea; just do not argue for the sake of it, give a supporting clause or evidence. If you do not firmly believe in what you speak, your words will never mean anything. Don't let me "win", there is no such thing as winning on the internet anyhow ;)
v8eater, it's called "displacement". What do you think a turbo is basically doing, acting like a larger engine by a using a denser charge.
You want more power, get more (or better) fuel and air in that engine, PERIOD.
Maybe those rednecks were out working on their engines instead of watching fast and the furious all day.
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alex
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6/14/2002
17:26:03
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I get tired of arguing over silly shyte like this all day on the internet...... but here's why it would kick ass to have a turbo-4 Dakota:
You have a perfect opportunity to create an ultimate sleeper. Nothing says "I suck" like the plain-jane Magnum badges that the 4-cyl trucks have on the quarter panels. That, combined with the sleepy 15x7 stock aluminum wheels that come on it when you don't order the tire/handling package, will lead everybody to believe that you are just runningyour little 4-cyl at the track to "see what it will do." They might even laugh when they see slicks on the rear of the truck. If it was me, I'd not wash the truck for about 4 weeks and show up all dirty and nasty looking. Nobody would suspect a thing.
The idle will be almost silent, and if you can keep the turbo out of boost during the burnout, almost nobody will give it a secnd look. But if you plumb up a little 50-shot of juice to get it off the line, and then the turbo spools up to about 14 psi, then you have about 250-300 hp shoving a 3400 lb truck down the pavement to the tune of mid-high 13's..... If you were able to do some weight reduction over the already feather-weight 4-cyl, like fiberglass hood, fiberglass tailgate replica, gutted doors, and some other measures, you could have a lite weight flyer.
Replace the rear axle with an 8 3/4" Mopar unit out of an old B-Body w/ a 4.10 gear, use a 5-spd and some traction help, and you've got a real drag strip surprise party.
SO how do I make up all this crap? Well, there's a dude named Turbo Joe Morgan out of California who's been featured in Hot Rod Magazine with his 10-second turbo Pinto and a 12-sec turbo Ford Ranger and a few other things. He takes the 2.3 turbo motor out of the old SVO Mustangs in the junkyard and drops them into things like his drive-it-to-work Ranger and the result is 12-sec times with 30 mpg on the highway. It's all junkyard technology with a little ingenuity applied in the backyard.
I'm sure you could sit down and figure out a few ways to bolt up the turbo unit off a 2.2 K-car motor to the current 4-cyl Dakota and if you were intent on making it happen, you could prolly do it for cheap. If I had a bank roll to work with, I'd prolly take on the project. But I have house payments and car payments and a few other bills that keep me from getting started on this project this afternoon. Otherwise I've given it a little thought.
And in the end, you have to admit it would still be funny.
How firmly do you think I believe my words now ?????
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Bill Smith
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hell man give it a shot. why not? the trick is finding a manifold to bolt the turbo to. any reputable exhaust shop could bend the pipes. and your right.... one hell of a sleeper! anybody remember GRAND NATIONAL? 13 second 4500lb.6cyl. Buick Regals? them things were like right out of battlestar galactica for take off and got 25+ for gas mialage! looked like an old mans car except for the lump in the hood.
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mannyzamora
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6/14/2002
19:45:41
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You know what Alex, if you really want to put a turbo in your 4cyl dak, then "go for it". I am getting all the parts together to put a turbo on my six. When it is done, nobody is going to know what it has. And as in power to wheight ratio, you will have a huge advantage, espacialy if you put that thing on a diet. As in to your remark about turbo joe, I know exactly who you are talking about. Read some of the articles about some of his projects. I even say one of his projects out at thunder hill raceway one time some years back. A white ford ranger, with the swiss ceese 15" wheels, stock ride hieght, and some yokahamas. I was helping a bud with his 240z, wich was pretty fast, when one time on the front striaght he came by me doing like 110-120. When the setion was over I went to see what he had, ofcourse my first thuoght was stock5.0, to my surprize it was a svo set-up. So I say go for it.
manuel i zamora
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Dan
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first off this is a truck page so grand nationals are not supposed to be mentioned...but syclones and typhones (sp)are. ummm. the boosted 4 sounds like a great idea for the sleeper look and the best for auto-x. anyways i forget what i wannted to say...dammit!
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Tom Slick
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6/14/2002
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Why not take a Shelby 2.5L Turbo II engine and put it in place of the stockl 2.5L... then up the boost a little....
he he he... think about it!
Later!
Tom "Slick"
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Bruce P.
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That is the way to go. My friend Bill Baker is getting 323 wheel hp and 380 ft/lbs of torque on a 2.2L 4 cylinder engine. His Dodge shadow is a 12-second car. The 3d gear accelleration actually pins you to the seat. (1st and 2nd just incenerate the tires.)
Check out this website
http://thedodgegarage.com/ne_sdac_dyno_day.html
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Bill Smith
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6/15/2002
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sorry for using a " car" for an example Dan. the cyclones were little pocket rockets, but the GN's could still eat them alive..... My point is , If alex wants to put a turbo on his 2.5 then why not! i'm thinkin of a paxton on my 3.9. I personaly don't want a cookie cutter Dakota. and Alex, a huffed 4 banger would be something different. if your careful how you put it together and watch you don't overboost it ,(head gaskets), it should be a killer little sleeper!
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RTjohn
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6/15/2002
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I am in process of installing a turbo to a 2.2 litre chevy extreme S-10. I am in the design stages now, but have a turbo off of a mitsubishi eclipse. I plan on running 8 Lbs of boost.
Boost inside!!!!
RTjohn
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Bruce P
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6/15/2002
19:08:48
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I Forgot to mention this website.
http://www.relentlessracing.com/
These guys have as much skill as anyone at getting PERFORMANCE from Chrysler 4cylinder engines. Although they specialize in the FWD MOPAR cars, I am sure that any of their engine "kits" would bolt right up to any 2.2L or 2.5L dakota engine.
BTW... did I mention in my last post that Bills engine is running over 20 LBS of boost? This is a daily driver that he has owned since new in 1991. I know that relentlessracing.com has been key to making this a RELIABLE powerpackage. (Only proven components in their heads)
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Bruce P
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6/15/2002
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For the ULTIMATE in dodge 2.5L performance
http://webstu.messiah.edu/~dr1159/cosworth/wraithmotor.jpg
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IntenseDak39
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6/15/2002
21:55:22
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this is the ultimate fwd dodge site
they do everything from stock parts to whole engines customer built and they hold the worlds fastest neon with 9 second passes.
www.forwardmotioninc.com
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