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12/19/2004
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Why are your running 15w-40?
It is almost certain that higher viscosity oils, such as Xw-40 and Xw-50, are complete wastes of energy, ... placing undue strain on your engine, ... and raising operating temperatures for no real benefit ... which also costs you in lower MPG.
Also, 15w-40 is not a Winter Weight Oil and Winter is upon us.
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Royal Purple is a TRUE Synthetic Motor Oil and a good oil, but their 5w-30 tends to thin out very quickly. If your choice is Royal Purple, go with RP 10w-30, it will have less of a tendancy to thin out.
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So as to not make one post too long I will be back to address Lucas Oil Stabalizer and the Proper Viscosity for Winter.
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12/19/2004
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Lucas Heavy Duty Oil Stabilizer
Lucas Quote: "Lucas Oil Stabilizer is a 100% petroleum product formulated to eliminate dry starts and reduce friction, heat and wear. It allows motor oils a higher degree of lubricity which reduces oil consumption and operating temperatures. Use Lucas Oil Stabilizer in gear oil to stop leaks, reduce operating temperatures and increase the life of the gear oil. Since it is pure petroleum, it can safely blend with all other automotive lubricants, even synthetics, ATF and mineral oil. It keeps old engines alive and new engines new."
Here is what I read from their brochure:
"It raises oil pressure, stops smoking, leaking, knocking and blow-by in worn engines. It also eliminates noise, overheating, leaks, and wear in gearboxes."
My Analysis: This product is for owners that did not perform regular maintenance on their engines and gearboxes with quality products, or owners that used additives in the past ... thereby changing or adding to the delicate balance of the original formula of the motor oils used, upsetting and or negating the protective effect the motor oil formula was meant to achieve.
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I would not recommend Lucas Stabalizer in a motor oil.
Lucas ... in all their demonstration machines ... show how the oil will climb in that little gearwheel contraption.
Yep ... Kinda neat, EXCEPT ... motors have an oil pump so why do you need an additive in a motor oil to help it climb? The oil has more than sufficient ability to get onto and into all parts of an engine. Second, you want the oil to flow ... and by increaseing the tackiness or stickiness to an oil (which is what Lucas promotes), it would reduce flow.
Your Engine needs ... Flow and Filtration.
Lucas Heavy Duty Oil Stabilizer REDUCES FLOW.
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12/19/2004
09:11:37
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In general using a "15w-__" oil in Winter is not a safe practice.
"15w-__" generally flows and pumps at 5 degrees Fahrenheit ... and in my honest opinion, you want much better protection than that. 5 degrees Fahrenheit is basically where a 15w-__ begins to stop flowing properly.
Winter Weight Oil ... and Cold Crank Protection
Since Winter is upon us, ... I will repeat the following which I have posted before ... the first number, preceding the "w-" as in "5w-" ("w" is for Winter), is an oil’s viscosity grade, is an indication of low-temperature performance -- the lower the better.
THE LOWER (SMALLER or FIRST #, as in "10w-_) NUMBER ... is the Cold Cranking Measurement, which predicts the oils cranking resistance in an engine during cold starting.
The lower winter viscosity grades will be more valuable in colder climates.
A 15w40 will only flow fine and proctect your engine down to 5 degrees Fahrenheit.
"10w-__" generally flows and pumps at -4 degrees Fahrenheit,
"5w-__" generally flows and pumps fine at -13 degrees Fahrenheit,
... and each grade below that buys you another nine degrees.
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12/19/2004
11:22:34
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Interesting oil study;
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12/19/2004
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The engine in the Buick was badly worn. Driven by two women (sorry females) and started to knock slightly. Now I must use 89oct to rid itself of the knock. I normaly use 10W 30 in this vehicle although, I live in Layton, UT. Weather hasnt been to cold this year and Ive been in Saint George for business for the last 2 months. The temp there is ussually 70-80 degrees.
15W is slightly high I am sure, although, I normally warm up my car for 10-15 mins before I drive regardless. I will move down to 10W on my next change within 2,000 miles. Considering theres no more to be sold in Saint George and will be heading to Elko Nevada where its much colder.
Oh, Ive changed my mind, I will be purchasing an RX-8 (long time rotary fan, no syn for rotors though =() or a Lancer Evo 8. Damn, lost posts was in 2002 I am indeed surprized by the life brought to this thread.
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12/19/2004
16:53:28
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12/19/2004
17:03:35
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Some years ago, our Mustang club had a tech demonstration done by Royal Purple.. In the demo they used ball bearings that spun in a bath of oil, against a stationary steel plate.. The balls were loaded by adding weights to a levering arm, that forced the spinning balls harder against the metal plate..New balls were used to test each brand of oil..
The object of the demo was to add weight to the spinning ball until it gauled up and froze.. Using different synthetics and dino oils in the bath..
All the sythetics performed better (took more weight) than the dino oils.. But the Royal Purple took more weight than any of them.. In fact, the ball continued to spin freely against the metal plate, after it's Royal Purple bath was removed.. The demonstrator then took a ball that had previously gaulled and froze, when run in another brand of oil.. Placed it back in the machine in a bath of Royal Purple.. And it was polished back smooth..
Later, my job sent me to a siminar on reciprocating air compressors.. The instructor was constantly preaching the virtues of synthetics over regular oils.. So I mentioned to him the demo I had saw on Royal Purple.. He said that the "Synerlec Technology" that RP has causes the microscopic peaks on any machined surface to become harden.. And when these peaks rub against each other, they break off.. Leaving a smoother, less jagged surface.. You can read about it here: http://www.longrider.com/royal.htm
.. Scrool down to #7..
BTW.. Royal Purple is fully sythetic in their racing oils.. And they use the Synerlec Technology in all their produces.. That's why it's in my transfer case and differentials..
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jeremiah2360
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12/19/2004
17:42:14
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Steve 90% of Amsoils xx-30s thicken to a low to mid 40 weight anyway, especially on long drains(they still show great wear #s). The exception I saw on BITOG ironically enough was Amsoils 10-40 with 12 thousand in a 4.7 Dakota that stayed in grade nicely. I believe a good flowing synthetic is important in the 4.7 with it`s small return galleys. Thats why I am going to Mobil 1 0-40, an A3 rated long drain(factory fill Porsche) oil that drops to a high 30 weight and on long drains thickens up again. That and for the price and convenience of getting it local.
03 qc 4.7 auto 4x4 45k-Amsoil in Trans, diffs, and for now 0-30 in motor.
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Dr. D
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12/19/2004
20:39:17
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I have tried every synthetic oil on the market and I use nothing
but Amsoil in my trucks and equipment.
Two-Cycle, Four-Cycle, Gasoline and Diesel .... ALL lubricated by
Amsoil.
Dr. D
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Turbostang
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12/19/2004
21:08:41
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I ran Royal Purple through-out the powertrain on my "drag race only" turbocharged 383ci Mustang..When I pulled the rear gears out, they looked like then had been polished.. Smooth as glass and shining like mirrors..
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Dr. D
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12/19/2004
23:23:01
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Well I am happy that you like Royal Purple Turbostang.
However, I have over 25 years of experience in automotive
service and happen to be ASE certified.
Amsoil pioneered synthetic lubricants back in 1972 and to this
day continue to lead the industry.
Take a look at what magazines such as Fast Fours and Rotaries,
Corvete Fever, American Iron Magazine and Popular Hot Rodding
have to say about Amsoil.
In fact, Fast Fours and Rotaries Magazine (Australia) tested ten
racing oils extensively and rated the oils in the folowing order.
1. AMSOIL TRO 20w-50
2. BP Visco 5000 5w-40
3. Mobil1 15-50
4. Mobil1 0w-40
5. Hi-Tec HTO 10w-60
6. Shell Helix Ultra 15w-50
7. Royal Purple #21 (no vicosity given by RP)
8. Castrol R 10w-60
9. Castrol SLX 0w-30
10. Torco 20w-50
Testing done in the July 1998 issue.
Dr. D
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Dan M
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12/20/2004
10:15:08
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When they start selling amsoil at pepboys, advance, autozone, wal-mart, etc. I'll consider using it.
Hey amzoil man! Why is such a "great oil" available only via mail order? I'd curious to know the business decision behind this one.
- Dan M
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Roger
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12/20/2004
17:45:12
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If I may Steve...
The reason is cost Dan M. For instance, look at WalMart. Cheaper product equates to reduced costs. WalMart buys their wares in bulk. This allows them to receive huge volume discounts. Your local thrift store cannot obtain these discounts as the don't buy in bulk. This is the same with Amsoil and hence, a more costly product. However, I do agree that obtaining the oil is a little inconvenient.
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12/20/2004
21:27:51
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Thanks Roger, and I post the following for Sam.
AMSOIL introduced the first synthetic motor oil with an API (American Petroleum Institute) Service Classification in 1972. Since that time, AMSOIL has varied and expanded its product line.
Amsoil is available in some stores -- mostly high performance speciality shops -- that lean more towards quality (for building performance and race engines, or an owner that appreciates superior products) than to a "price point" retail store (i.e. Walmart, etc.). I do know quite a few NAPA Stores that carry Amsoil (my cousin for one).
In the beginning, Amsoil, being a small speciality oil manufacturer, could never compete with the big guys for shelf space. Shelf space at the big stores is not free --- you have to pay for every inch of shelf frontage that you use. (I used to work in Management for an Import Company so I know this to be fact).
So, Amsoil started as a multi-level marketing company, also know as MLM, and once they decided upon this concept they could not change or 1000's of Independent Dealers would loose their business.
If you see Amsoil on the shelf, the retail store works in the same capacity as an Independent Dealer --- and a lot of retail stores would rather carry higher mark-up oils.
FYI --- Amsoil Synthetic Lubrication (oils, gear lubes, and ATF) sales have almost doubled in the last three years. Our manufacturing facility is increasing the base stock storage capacity from 1 million gallons to 1.6 million gallons (a 60% increase), and two new 50,000 gallon blending tanks are being installed. Plus, we added another warehouse/distribution facility bringing the total to fifteen (15).
Recently, two large and very well-known chain stores wanted to carry AMSOIL and were turned down. One of these wanted to place an initial stocking order in the millions of dollars. Amsoil WILL NOT undercut it's Independent Dealer network and sell to National Chains.
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The benefits of ordering via catalog ... you can become an Amsoil Preferred Customer and save between 20% and 25% across the board on all retail prices ... basically buying at the same wholesale prices as an Amsoil Dealer. This is something NO other oil company offers ... a Preferred Customer Program ... similar to joining a Sam's Club.
To save money buying Amsoil, you can become a preferred customer and buy Amsoil at wholesale prices. I can offer some advice to save even more money ... "Pool" your orders with friends and family or neighbors (like I do) to make it more cost effective.
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Amsoil Dealers and Amsoil Preferred Customers purchase AMSOIL products at wholesale cost. Amsoil Preferred Customer Memberships are recommended for people who want the lowest possible prices on the best lubrication and filtration products for their vehicles and equipment. Preferred Customers pay the same low prices for Amsoil products that Amsoil Dealers pay.
Ten dollars ($10) gets you a six-month trial Amsoil Preferred Customer membership for buying Amsoil products at wholesale prices. Preferred Customer memberships may be renewed indefinitely for only $20/year. Preferred Customers can upgrade their membership to an Amsoil Dealership at any time. Preferred Customers receive an information kit on AMSOIL products, an Air and Oil Filter Application Guide, and the monthly Amsoil product, racing and application magazine, the Amsoil Action News.
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12/20/2004
21:36:40
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A few Murray's Discount Auto Stores carry some Amsoil products, as well as a few Fairfax Auto Parts locations ... and yes, Canadian Tire carries Amsoil.
Here is the catch ... Amsoil is over $10.00 CDN a quart (more than our Catalog Retail Price). Canadian Tire is ONLY carrying limited Amsoil products and I believe only in the quart sizes. No Amsoil Filters, ATF, Greases, Specialty Oils, Gear Lubes, or Truck Care Products. (So all you Canadians that are interested in the complete line of Amsoil products still need to request a FREE Amsoil Catalog.)
Also, how much knowledge do you think the Canadian Tire staff will have about Amsoil products or how to use them? Answer ... None!
Here is the rub ...
Canadian Tire (as well as the other retail stores) are doing what we call High Grading or High Ending ... selling only Amsoil's best and fastest movers in a retail outlet ... and leaving the rest of the product line to dealers who have put a lot of time, effort and money into understanding and educating themselves on the complete Amsoil product line ... making Amsoil what it is today, a recognized Industry Leader, a recognized label and a superior product.
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To fully appreciate Amsoil's FULL LINE of Products ... request a FREE Amsoil Catalog which offers Amsoil's complete line of Synthetic Oils, Filters, Gear Lubes, and Truck Care Products ... by clicking the following link.
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In general --- Amsoil Catalog Pricing is LOWER than RETAIL STORE PRICING, and Amsoil Preferred Customers recieve discounts of 20% +/- across the board. No other synthetic oil supplier offers a Preferred Customer Program.
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Turbostang
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12/20/2004
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Well Dr.D, I too have over 25 years in automotive service.. Well, sort of..I recieved the "Commandants Award" as outstanding graduate from in automotive repair school, while in the U.S. Army.. That was in 1970.. I later worked as a QA lab technician at the Carter Carburetor plant here in St Louis.. And I've been an motorcycle and car drag racer/engine builder since I could hold a wrench..My current Turbo Mustang will put out somewhere in the order of 1000 horsepower, when I'm thru with it's latest upgrade.. And that includes a Dart all aluminum engine block..
But all of that means nothing when chooseing the best oil.. Cause I don't profess to being some kind of lubrication specialist.. All I know is that the gears from a manual transmission that has been run on Royal Purple, come out looking like they have been chrome plated.. Royal Purple has proven to me to add horsepower on the drag strip.. It's good for over 1 mph over anything else I've tried..And I've tried them all.. And there are plenty of Pro's that will tell you the same thing..
BTW..That Royal Purple #21, is a racing oil equivalent to a 5W-30..
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XtremeRacer
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12/21/2004
23:23:49
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I know guys who are moving from Royal Purple and Mobil to
Amsoil.
Go to your local track, you WILL see Amsoil there !
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12/22/2004
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That's the problem Turbostang. When you said gears from a manual transmission that has been run on Royal Purple, come out looking like they have been chrome plated. That is wear. Polishing something so that it looks chrome plated always takes off the outer layer.
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Dan M
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12/22/2004
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I'm still a little confused on this one. Why don't the autoparts stores become "preferred members" and buy at the 20-25% discount, then sell at the MSRP? Ie, people would pay the same retail price minus the hassel of paying the shipping and the wait time for shipment? Or if the retailers so choose, a slight discount over the MSRP. The company is still making profit which is the wanted end result of being a retailer.
Every company buys product at discount, then sells at or near the MSRP. Isn't this the nature of retail?
And if you have your product at places such as napa, autozone, carquest, advance, etc. Amsoil have more in sales which could lead to more R&D and better products.
And I'm not entirely convinced of the "you have to pay for every inch of shelf frontage that you use" idea. I worked for a retailer while in high school and we sold what products actually moved. We would get sales material and free samples all of the time. Also, we listend to what customers were saying and carried what they inquired about. IE, products they saw advertised, products other stores carried, etc.
And lets say I buy a 12-1 quart bottles of ATM 01 10w30 at 20% discount. MSRP 70.20 * 0.20 = 14.04. 70.20 - 14.04 = 56.16. Plus I pay 9.95 shipping. My total cost is 66.11. I'm saving $4.09 over purchasing MSRP. That's a savings of 5.8% over MSRP.
Whoo hoo! I'm a preferred member and I saved 5.8%!
- Dan M
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12/22/2004
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Retail Stores are "Amsoil Commercial Retail Accounts", and they have their own purchase price list and bonus payout schedule.
Repeat: Amsoil started as a multi-level marketing company, also know as MLM, and once they decided upon this concept they could not change or 100's of loyal Amsoil Independent Dealers would loose their business.
Shelf space at the big stores is not free --- you have to pay for every inch of shelf frontage that you use. (I used to work in Management for an Import Company so I know this to be fact). You never saw it because you were at the retail level and not corporate level. We paid $15,000 for every 4-inch space for a <100 store chain ... and we wanted our product to be 2 wide (two boxes side by side) so we paid $15k x 2 or $30k per year just for the right to be on their shelves.
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Regarding the net cost savings, 5.8% is better than nothing ... which is what other oil companies offer. Also, you can buy Amsoil by the gallon or pool your orders with family and friends to save on costs and on shipping. That is what I do.
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