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Nick
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If you want the factory fogs to stay on when you flick on your high beams, here's what you do: After you pop the hood open stand on the drivers side and remove fusebox cover. Look for relay #1 (they are all numbered in top L.corners) - this relay should be on the upper right of box next to battery cables. After removing relay you will see 3vertical and 2horizontal slots. Jump the middle horizontal and bottom vertical. If you look at the underside of the relay, the pins are numbered, you are basically connecting #4 & #3. Do not re-insert relay. Thats it!
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timm
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5/11/2002
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I have black headlight covers on my truck, and i was wondering if i do this could i leave my brights on all the time to make it a little brighter through the covers or will that screw something up?
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Mykr
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Thats good you found a fix for 2000...This won't work on 2001 however...
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DodgeDakotaQC
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5/11/2002
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Timm,
I dont know if it would be the same for the dakota but I had jeep wrangler with blackouts
and every once and a while the lights would shut off due to what I thought was over heating. Because I had the covers on with the brights for to long. Anyways give it a shot it will be brighter.
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Gentleman
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Fog Light Relay Fix For 2001/2002
The Fog light relay is located behind the kick panel to the left of the parking brake. The panel is attached by 2 screws. One is located at the top left of the carpet, just pull the carpet back a little bit and you will see the screw. The second is located under the door plate. Just take a screwdriver and pry the plate up. It is held in with plugs instead of screws. With that up you will see the rear screw for the kick plate.
With the panel out of the way you will see the CPM mounted to the side panel with 3 plugs going into it. You will be working with the large gray plug and the bottom white plug. I found it easier to remove all 3. They are just held in by a little clip on the side that you push in as you pull on the plug. Once the plugs are out you need to find the white wire with the brown stripe in the gray plug, and the white wire with the violet stripe in the white plug. These are the two wires that you are going to splice together.
In order to remove the wires you will need to take a very small screwdriver and pull the two connector (clip) holders out of the plugs. There is one in each plug.
I tried several ways to get the connectors out after I pulled the holders out a little ways, but ended up getting a pair of needle nose pliers and giving the wire a quick yank. Then they popped right out. If anyone finds a better way of getting the wire out let me know and I will update these instructions.
With the wires removed from the plugs you need to get a piece of wire to connect the two connectors. Some people have uses paper clips, I found a piece of copper wire from some wiring that I had laying around the shop. I inserted the wire into one connector and then bent the end of the wire in a U shape. Then I inserted the wire into the other connector and did the same making sure the connectors were tight together. After wrapping the wires in electrical tape I had the finished product as shown in the picture above. It probably would have been wise to use some shrink tube to help hold the connectors together nice and tight, but I did not have any and figured I could go back and fix it if this didn?t work.
All that is left is to replace the plugs where they originally came from, put the panel back in place and test the lights. You should have fog lights with both high and low beams. On my 2001 it would be hard to leave the fog lights on since they are part of the headlight switch and you still get the audible ding when you leave your headlights on. Also, with this type of switch you can?t just run the fog lights without at least your marker lights on.
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bjlindsey
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5/11/2002
17:45:13
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What is the reasoning the factory wired it this way??? Are there any recommendations on better/brighter fog light replacement bulbs? Thanks!!
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§Mud Runner§
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5/11/2002
22:20:45
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The reason that most the factory wired the driving/fog light this way is that almost every state law stipulates that you cannot run auxilary light with your highbeams on. If you have your highbeams on and your driving or fog lights on at the same time, then I wouldn't be surprised when you get a ticket one day from a cop thats a real d!ck. But he'd have to be a huge one to write you for that. Also, you can get a ticket for running at night with your headlight covers on (at least in Texas you can).
Its no big deal though. Most cops that are pricks enough to write you for that are out bustin ricers with strobes and neon liscence plate frames. :-P
Just a little bit of useless info.....
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92dakotahd
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5/11/2002
22:36:24
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I never knew the reason for that, with the fogs and high beams. I always figured it was because if your using your highbeams the manufacturer figured you didn't need to see what was under your nose. Here you can have carbon fiber covers on all the time but not smoke tint covers.
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bjlindsey
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5/12/2002
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My defense is that if I need my brights, surely more light from my fogs MUST be better!!!
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hardbody
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5/12/2002
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As far as removing the wires from the factory plugs, radio shack sells a tool that is used to insert and remove wires from the plugs ( or similiar type plugs) It should work for this also,
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bjlindsey
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5/12/2002
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Did I mention.............I WANT IT ALL!!!!?????
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Nick
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5/12/2002
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As far as replacing fact fog bulbs w/brighter ones, I went to one of those automotive gadget places in the mall with the fact bulb in hand. They were able to match them up w/55w bulbs that fit. Don't remember price, wasn't much though.
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bjlindsey
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5/12/2002
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I'll buy that!!!
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PRYMORDIAL
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5/12/2002
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As to the wire from one terminal to the other, I would recommend you do it with a fusible link just to protect the circuit. And if you have 883 fog light bulbs (99 DAKS) you can upgrade them to 885 bulbs but be careful you might blind oncoming traffic if they are aimed high, or you are lifted.
Barry A Lawton
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JMII
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5/12/2002
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Anyone have a trick for getting them to come with the parking lights? Sometimes at dawn/dusk or in the rain the headlights give off too much light and create glare (especially in the rain). So I want to run just the fog lights in combination with parking lights.
If there's no work around I could add a relay myself using the parking light lead as a tap for the turn-on. That's how I did it in my Ranger. Plus the alarm flashes the fogs too this way.
I agree with bjlindsey, if you need your brights then surely having the fog lights on too would help. However I know there are a lot of laws about having extras lights on your vehicle, of course most people do not care or even know about them (me included).
- John
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92dakotahd
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5/12/2002
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That's why I like aftermarket Fog lights, if I bought a new truck it would have them on them but I like being able to run just fogs in the evening. I also got myself through many a snow storm with just fogs, headlights made it worse. I always though fogs would be great to fill in the gap that develops in front of a vehicle with brights on. Who made those laws anyway? That's kinda stupid, I don't see the point.
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bjlindsey
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5/12/2002
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Well, I know we can always cut the wires and run them to another switch, just like aftermarket, but that's too easy!!!
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Boomer
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5/12/2002
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JMII
I did that trick to my sebring, and it might active the fog light switch to run all the time. Meaning than you can your fogs on when there aren't any parking or headlights on. Bu that was the sebring (96 coupe) and I haven't done it yet to my dak. My 97 can run parking and fog, so it might just be the newer daks with that problem.
Boomer
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The Jester
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5/13/2002
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OK guys, here is the reason why your Fog lamps turn off when you put on your High Beams. If you have the need for Fogs, which are designed to shine a beam of light down low, so that it does not glare up into your eyes then you don't won't your High beams on, which are designed to shine up at a higher angle to see farther down the road.
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bjlindsey
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5/13/2002
03:26:32
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Gee, w/ that philosophy, if you turn your fogs on, your headlights should go out! I think you got it bass ackwards, dude!!
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Dakmax
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5/13/2002
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Hey Nick, (or anyone that knows) you say...
"After removing relay you will see 3 vertical and 2 horizontal slots. Jump the middle horizontal and bottom vertical."
I'm pretty clueless when it comes to this stuff. What exactly do you mean by "Jump the middle horizontal and bottom vertical".
I'm assuming you mean connect the two..but how? Will i need tool or parts?
thx
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Rascal
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5/13/2002
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I have TWO sets, yes four, Hella 500 auxillary lights set to come on with my high beams. I drive in the remote areas of Kentucky a lot as I own a log home there and when a deer sees me coming with all those on, he gets the heck out of the way. It is some very serious lighting. The pic has two of the lights on my brushguard but I have added two more beside them just recently. By the way, its also a good way to cook a hot dog if you get hungry....just hold it in front of the Hella's for a minute and add mustard! I did not think it was enough to have the little fogs on with my high beams as the brushguard blocks the main headlights anyway.
Just my two cents and I am not sure it was worth that much ..
Peace,
Rascal
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Nick
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5/13/2002
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'Jumping' two points together involves making a connection between the two points. It can be as simple as getting a small piece of wire and pushing each end into the slots - thus making a connection bewteen the two points. If you are unsure, go to your local car stereo install shop and show them the two slots that you want to connect, they will make you a small piece of wire with the proper connectors on each end that will fit in there (you'll notice they are two different sizes).
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JMII
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5/13/2002
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Rascal - I think I'm going to wind up adding some aftermarket fog lights on a Safari Bar too. I drive in the foggy, smokey, bug filled Everglades in S FL and it gets nasty out there. Add a light rain and you can't see a damn thing!
I used to have a Honda Prelude that had YELLOW fog lights and they worked the best. White lights just light up the fog, but yellow cuts THRU it I found.
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howdy
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5/13/2002
16:51:56
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Are the lights in question really fog lights? Or are they indeed just driving lights? They don't penitrate the fog as do the yellow ones do. Just curious.
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Rascal
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5/13/2002
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yes, those are just driving lights...I should add some yellows too, great idea, thanks!
Rascal
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Mykr
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5/13/2002
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Gentleman:
Your explaination for the 2001 is close but not exact as the fog lamp relay is not in the kick panel it is in the PDC under the hood. And the one of the wire colors you referenced is wrong..I'd hate to see someone toast their CTM..This is the method that I posted back in January:
This is referencing the 2001 Dakota Wiring diagrams in the Service Manual.
1) Locate the Central Timer Module. It is in behind the drivers kick panel. It is a black box about 4" X 4". It has three connectors on it. C1, C2 & C3. You only need to concern yourself with C1 (top 26 pin connector) and C3 (bottom 12 pin connector.
2) Remove or cut wire from pin 22 of the C1 connector. It will be a white/tan wire.
3) Remove or cut wire from pin 8 of the C3 connector. It will be a White/Violet wire.
4) Splice these two wires together.
The modification is complete. It takes all of about 10 minutes to accomplish without any tool but a wire stripper, crimper, cutter. If you choose to remove pins instead of cutting wires this can be done also, however it requires a bit more time and effort.
The Timer Control Module controls the fog lamp relay, it also senses the high beam position of the headlamp switch. By performing this mod you are essentially bypassing control of the Fog Lamp Relay directly to the Fog Lamp Switch.
This will allow use of you fog lights on either high or low beam... This works very nicely!!
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hardbody
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5/13/2002
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Just a quick lesson on lights and color of lenses: Yes a yellow lens (also green, older dick cepek C808's) do cut thru the fog,rain better than the same wattage light with a clear lens. But if you notice the better light manufacturers are now offering fog lights with clear lenses but with yellow colored bulbs, ( most are blue tinted but produce a yellow beam) Reason is the yellow coating on the lens will reduce the output of the bulb by as much as 20%. I agree with the other post about the fogs shutting down when the high beams are on because in fog or rain you want the beam of the lights to stay as low as possible, that's also why fogs are designed to mount under the bumper ( never on a roll bar like some yokels do) and ideally should be as low as is possible and also mounted towards the outsides of the bumper. I will say that sometimes driving in fog with the highbeams on provides a better view than with the lowbeams on and fogs. Also factory lights ( fog or driving) tend to leave something to be desired because they're usually not strong enough to do much of anything. Most aftermarket lights will have a minimum of a 55 watt bulb. Lastly, as too cooking off the hella 500's, if you think they put off some heat come over and stand in front of my 2 cepek C-1000's, at 210 watts a pc. their the brightest lights in the world. and with a purely clear lens( no fluting) you could get a tan off these monsters. Sorry so long, and no I don't dislike hella, I actually have 6 hella 2000's laying around. Just my 2 cents
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Mykr
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5/14/2002
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While I do agree on the explaination of the colors of fog vs. driving lights I believe the confusion can be blamed on Dodge as they are the ones who refer to our "driving" lamps as "fog" lamps....
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Dakmax
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5/14/2002
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Mykr, are Gentlman's instructions correct for a 2000?
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Mykr
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5/14/2002
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Dakmax,
I don't know...Without seeing the wiring diagrams I couldn't speculate whether or not it would correct...
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