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psychoRT
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5/06/2002
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Ok here is my problem, I got the mopar pcm about a month or so ago and i have been testing the hell out of it. I still run the same times and or below. Also i have a question, My truck runs rich like real rich and i think it is robbing me of hp. What is the best way to lean out the truck. I have jsut switched plugs to bosch platnium 2's to burn hotter and lean me out but it didnt work. I am thinking of a fuel pressure regulator and cutting it down from the stock psi. Will that work or what is the best way to do this, And is that computer designed to dump more fuel into my system cuz if so that would explain the reason the truck is never constant in times.
Please let me know i have been trying and trying to figure it out before i asked. I ahte spening 300 bucks on somthing that does nothing you know, and yall might know what my problem is with the truck.
Any help would be appreciated!
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bernd
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5/06/2002
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Psycho: How rich is it (have you checked it on an A/F meter...and not on the Autometer gauges connected to the factory O2). As for performance, it's the first i've heard where the Mopar PCM didn't do anything. What other modifications are you running?
On the plugs, the +2's are not recommended for the Magnum engines (same as the +4's). Stick with the factory replacements. The fuel pressure is controlled by the regulator in the tank..no easy way to change it. Plus, you don't want to deviate from factory pressure as it's about perfect for most cases (49psi +/- 5).
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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psychoRT
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5/06/2002
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The platniums and the autolites gave me the same performance. I am going to go dyno the truck next weekend and see what everything is and try to figure it out. But yes the computer did nothing! I have ran it with the autolites 3923's and the platniums.
Mods so far
14x3 open element and Xstream lid
Holley 2x52 throttle body
Msd 8.5 wires
Underdrive pulley (test with it on and with it off, same performance)
Electric fans no mechanical
180 thermostat
single chamber Flowmaster muffler
Autolite 3923's and platnium 2's tried both
Mopar Pcm
Changed the cap and rotor
I have also used the pcm with the old intake setup, k&n drop in with ram air setup.
Here is my times
9.6 in the 1/8th
2.1 60' on street tires
71 mph
But it fluctuates up and down from 9.6 to 9.8 and since i added the platniums it used to go to 9.9.
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psychoRT
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5/06/2002
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TTT
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psychoRT
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5/06/2002
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TTT
Could somone please help! before i take a shotgun to the truck and the 300 dollar pcm i bought!
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psychoRT
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5/07/2002
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TTT
LA LA LA!
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drtswinger
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I'll sing with ya. LA LA LA!
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psychoRT
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Ok this is getting real old real fast!
I am being calm, and so forth. But Come on i need some serious help on this issue. And i hate to say that i blew 300 bucks on a part that did absoulutly nothing for me!
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Ha Ha Ha
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5/07/2002
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What goes around comes around. You bashed Speedtweaks for your PCM order, remember? Now look at you.
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psychoRT
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5/07/2002
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LMAO yea and it just shows i was right about there service, because i wasnt the only being ignored. I said i was sorry for the way i acted and so forth. And look at the service i get and other members get. I have sent bernd email also explaining the problem but no response.
"O where art thou' Speedtweaks 4 drtswinger"
"Speedtweaks Suck!!! - V6 Dodge Dakota"
"Whats the deal with Speedtweaks shipping"
"Speedtweaks? - Performance Message Board"
Any of those topics look famillar they are not by me so, I guess im not the only one having the troubles.
But that is all right i figured as much.
So ill just sit here and wait for a response.
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5pnt9ltrluv
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5/07/2002
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Psycho- You are not being ignored. You can't expect them to drop everything they are doing to monitor this forum or their emails right now. If you are so impatient about your Mopar PCM call Mopar. Bernd and Tom are busting their asses right now trying to get that turbo kit developed as well as shipping orders, putting up with backorders, putting up with impatient people, working on other peoples trucks...They are a 2 man show...Lay off man. These 4 or 5 people that have had issues with speedtweaks are a minor handfull compared to the amount of people they deal with. You cannot possibly expect to be waited on hand and foot because you are having a tuning problem. You said yourself that you have a business (or work at one) that deals with this. If you in fact do, then you can understand that you simply don't get "IGNORED", just put on a back burner til things get less hectic. Also, why are you quick to blame them for your tuning problem? Are you quick to assume that it was their mess up? How do you know that it is not something that you have done?
Did Bernd or Tom outright say " Hey I don't wanna help you?" My guess would be, no. So quit acting like they did and take a friggin breather. Bashing their good name gets you nowhere....
Kris
2002 Atlantic Blue R/T
Current Mods: True dual Flowmaster 40 Series Original (dumped), MSD 6A Ignition w/ Blaster SS coil and Taylor Spirocore 8mm, 360 Intakez w/ 9" K&N, Flowmetrics 50mm billet throttle body, JBA ceramic headers, Autolite 3923's, 180 degree T-stat, TPS @ .725 v
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bernd
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5/07/2002
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PsychoRT: "Flattery will get you no where." Bashing isn't constructive and YES...I have been working on this. I've been waiting on a few responses from some of the other engine builders on this to get their opinions (that's if you don't mind). I am getting some ideas...but it doesn't make any sense with the Mopar PCM not giving you anything better. (Shift Points are the same as well?)
BTW: There's also posts on this (and other boards) about poor service from KRC Performance, Magnum Performance, Hughes Engines, and many other online stores that people have had problems with. We're not perfect and will never claim to be. We make mistakes just as bad as others. (If you would like to know what type of "back orders" and "delays" i've had to deal with: IAT Adjusters from the manufacturer, MSD Coils, Flowkooler Water pumps, Flometrics TB's, etc. Sometimes "stuff" happens that we can't control. (And there's only two of us in the shop...not some huge customer service department like Summit Racing.)
Kris: Heat exchangers and Intercooler bracket designs are basically done. Just need to get a set for production now. :)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.55 @ 96.01mph
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5pnt9ltrluv
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5/07/2002
21:33:42
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Bernd- SWEET!!!
Can you get me a good deal on an X-Brace!! I am gonna need it!!
Kris
2002 Atlantic Blue R/T
Current Mods: True dual Flowmaster 40 Series Original (dumped), MSD 6A Ignition w/ Blaster SS coil and Taylor Spirocore 8mm, 360 Intakez w/ 9" K&N, Flowmetrics 50mm billet throttle body, JBA ceramic headers, Autolite 3923's, 180 degree T-stat, TPS @ .725 v
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psychoRT
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5/07/2002
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And like i stated in the post i have been calm and so forth. If you noticed it wasnt me that popped off at the mouth i was came at first. And then you post up but all you do is say stuff about your job ohhhhhhhhhhhhh well get a bigger crew. If you are so swamped, i ordered a part from you and it gained nothing so i was asking for help. I could have called up asking for my freakin money back, but did i no, and you asked me a question if you didnt read your own post which i replyed too.
All it takes is hey man we are swamped i am looking into your problem. But can you even give me the curtuersy of that no. How do i know your swamped am i a freaking psychic. Most people can handle there work load or hire help thus what every busniess in america does.
So by all means i am sorry i was not a psychic and tryed to get a hold of you.
You yourself asked me to tell you how the thing worked out when i bought it, But yet this is the thanks i get for buying from you?
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Lesley
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5/07/2002
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X-brace? My friend Zaurusman just put one on his truck and loves it. It's definitely on my list. Let us know how you like it.
97 3.9 CC Sport. Black. Auto 3.55, Quick D Intake, JBA Stainless headers, Autolite 3923s, stainless Borla Turbo XL, V8 TB, FMS 19 lb fuel injectors, 17" Boyd Coddington Smoothies. Have, but not installed: JBA 9mm cables, Borla tip, IAT adjuster
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5pnt9ltrluv
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5/07/2002
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Will DO!!
Kris
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Current Mods: True dual Flowmaster 40 Series Original (dumped), MSD 6A Ignition w/ Blaster SS coil and Taylor Spirocore 8mm, 360 Intakez w/ 9" K&N, Flowmetrics 50mm billet throttle body, JBA ceramic headers, Autolite 3923's, 180 degree T-stat, TPS @ .725 v
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WraithDakRt
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5/07/2002
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Send it back then...Don't complain. Get it from Mopar Performance or any of the many other vendors that carry the PCM. They work great. Must be something else wrong there. I know Speed Tweaks will still get my business. Many others as well. L8a!
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IntenseDak39
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5/07/2002
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yeah bernd... didnt you know. he bought something from you... and you didnt send a thankyou card or anything!
you are now dedicated for life to give him service to all his needs... not that you had anything to do with the production or manufacturing of this computer... but 9.6-9.8 is very inconsistant....
intense
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Lesley
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5/07/2002
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There's an idea. That'll really show 'em. Never speak to them or do business with them again.
97 3.9 CC Sport. Black. Auto 3.55, Quick D Intake, JBA Stainless headers, Autolite 3923s, stainless Borla Turbo XL, V8 TB, FMS 19 lb fuel injectors, 17" Boyd Coddington Smoothies. Have, but not installed: JBA 9mm cables, Borla tip, IAT adjuster
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psychoRT
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5/07/2002
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Dang yall are some funny people. I have just been on here posting ttt and so forth then some body brings up past crap. And i get flamed lmao. And yes every company does have there moments but most know that after going thru stuff repeatly because you are a small shop and cant handle the work load
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"(If you would like to know what type of "back orders" and "delays" i've had to deal with: IAT Adjusters from the manufacturer, MSD Coils, Flowkooler Water pumps, Flometrics TB's, etc. Sometimes "stuff" happens that we can't control. (And there's only two of us in the shop...not some huge customer service department like Summit Racing.)"
Then why dont you hire more people? I mean i know it does cost but dont you think maybe more happy customers is worth more then yall two trying to bust yall ass's off not getting the job done, so you can make the most money by not hiring people.
And like i said before, you chould have took a second to say hay man we are busy right know, i am looking into it for ya. But know you left the post with a question and said nothing about the sorts.
But then again its my fault from ordering a part and expecting good heck just any customer service would be appreciated.
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rt for 4
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5/08/2002
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In the speed equipment world parts usually have a 10 to 15 percent markup. So on a $300 item they probably made $30 to $45 max on the transaction.
It take many transactions to make a living on such a business. It has to be difficult to please everyone and dedicate "tuning time" to each product sold. Try calling a doctor or lawyer and ask for some free advice. ha
If a giant company like Summit has better service use them. Lets see who you talk to at Summit with some tuning question. And while you're in the HOLD mode on their telephone...trying reading a old best seller book by Dale Carniege called "how to win friends and influence people". You've obviously never read it.
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rtdkota
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5/08/2002
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The platniums and the autolites gave me the same performance. I am going to go dyno the truck next weekend and see what everything is and try to figure it out. But yes the computer did nothing! I have ran it with the autolites 3923's and the platniums.
Mods so far
14x3 open element and Xstream lid
Holley 2x52 throttle body
Msd 8.5 wires
Underdrive pulley (test with it on and with it off, same performance)
Electric fans no mechanical
180 thermostat
single chamber Flowmaster muffler
Autolite 3923's and platnium 2's tried both
Mopar Pcm
Changed the cap and rotor
I have also used the pcm with the old intake setup, k&n drop in with ram air setup.
Here is my times
9.6 in the 1/8th
2.1 60' on street tires
71 mph
But it fluctuates up and down from 9.6 to 9.8 and since i added the platniums it used to go to 9.9.
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Temps/times/traction.. the 3 TTTs that'll drive you mad (or Psycho!). Here's a few things you must consider-- without dyno numbers (corrected to standard conditions) you're not going to know where you really are HP wise. Sure you can go strickly by your timeslips-- but we all know the differences between run to run w/traction issues, temps, etc. Dyno numbers will show you what works and what doesn't. PLUS you can see first hand that a mod gives a HP or torque improvement a step at a time-- maybe not an increase at the track (which could be offset due to weather, etc.), but a real increase.
You never answered what the PCM wasn't doing? Does it shift at WOT around 4900 rpm or 5250-5300 rpm?? (4900 would be stock). A couple reasons it isn't show it's true potential-- you're truck is a slug from the start (due to injector timing issues, all of which can be checked and corrected by a DRB scanner); you didn't list headers on your string of mods-- headers will help take full advantage of your trucks new found power; without it you might be bottled up a bit. The PCM isn't a magic wand by any means... I run 87 octane in mine all the time (except when racing under hot conditions, then I switch to unleaded 101 trick or 106 unleaded VP to stay on the safe side).
Give us more info, you might find that it is working fine, just your truck isn't performing due to another conditions. What year truck? What type of pulley(s)?
Sam
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bernd
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5/08/2002
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PsychoRT: We do what we can but not all problems are a simple answer. From past experiences, installing the Mopar PCM (or a custom flashed PCM) helped out on the average of .2 - .3 seconds quicker in the 1/4 mile...with close to identical mods. Why don't we hire more people? Because it's not in the current budget.
You asked the question yesterday early morning, I responded yesterday morning (10:24am), and here it is the next evening and all of a sudden there's a post on slow or non-existent customer service. (And phonecalls have been going back and forth between myself and other "tuners" and vendors on this.) Tech questions take (sometimes) up to 48 hours...not just a simple answer as in a lot of cases.
People, PsychoRT's PCM was a "fubar" on the warehouse side. It should have been to him within 24-36 hours but was delayed much more than that due to the warehouse not processing the order we called in that same day.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
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psychoRT
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5/08/2002
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And i do thank you bernd, get were i am coming from though i spent this money and every things says it should do this but it isnt. I was being coo and messing around and the ttt's was becasue all the posts were droping me to the other page. Then someone brung up some sh*t and yea i did make a post about it. Then you posted up and said nothing towards my post but saying why you havent posted.
And to inform you about the truck alittle more, that is same temps same traction 15 runs every sunday. And some runs on a diff track friday.
The truck used to shift at 4500 and now arounf 5000 but same results in time. And the truck also hits a brick wall in second gear.
I have tried changing out the mods and so forth.
And knowing that the computer does alot for performance, and im not showing amy performance. my mph stayed the same which if you know track times mena no hp was gained. So the truck stayed exactly were it was.
I am going to get it dynoed and see were most of my problem is. And like i said all it took was replying to my wmail or a post saying i am looking into it.
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bernd
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5/08/2002
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Let me know what the Dyno shows...i'd be mainly interested in the 2nd gear bog, HP/TQ curves, and the Air/Fuel. The shift points do show that the PCM is doing most, if not all of its job...but the same times are surprising. Also forgot to ask...what fuel are you running? From looking at the mods though, you may be more happy with a 50mm TB on the R/T considering that there really aren't any major changes to the engine (ex: Supercharger, Nitrous, Cam, Heads, Intake, or any combination of those).
On the 2nd gear bog...are you shifting manually or letting the transmission do its job? (There's a reason for asking this as there is an inherent "issue" with the transmissions from Mopar dating all the way back to the 727/904's.)
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
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14.55 @ 96.01mph
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psychoRT
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I have tried both manually and leaving it in drive they both do the same thing, and produce the same times. And the motor is not built yet but will be soon, and i just took the nitrous off it, i wanted a bigger system. So im going to build the motor around the nitrous. What is what is messing me up the computer seems to be doing its job but my times dont show it. I have raced it over 45 times at the track since i got everything switched out and so forth. it still gets the 9.6's at 71 but regardless before and after computer. I can pull about a car on a ls1 till second then brick wall.
Also with the pcm i know it suppossedly ups your timing, does it change or is it just a set timing advance. The truck will be runing alot of nitrous im talking alot! And was wondering once i get into were i it has to be retarded, how much does the pcm advance it.
And thanks again for the help!
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bernd
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5/08/2002
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The Mopar PCM does advance the timing a few degrees (approximately 2-4 degrees at various rpm points) but also changes the fuel curve as well. If you're going to be running "a lot" of nitrous (125HP+), you're going to need a timing retard system regardless of what PCM is in there.
I know this may sound silly, but can you put your factory TB back on, let the PCM learn for about 150-200 miles, and then run a few more passes down the track? (I'm also curious to see what it would do in the 1/4 mile as the mods you've listed really come on strong at higher speeds. The 1/8 mile is great for checking traction and how quick you are off the line, but these trucks really come on strong at mid-track (1/4 mile).
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
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14.55 @ 96.01mph
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drtswinger
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Bernd, since were having a tuning discussion here, I'd like to explain my problems. As I have prolly said I have the 99 r/t, powerdyne 6#, msd btm at 1 degree, 160 thermostat, high flow cat, flowmaster, 24# ford injectors, bigger k&n filter. Problem, turns into a slug when it warms up. I can swear by this... my truck is slower than stock on some runs after it has heated up for a while. Wont even spin the tires from a stop barely. But when everything has had a chance to cool off, it runs awesome, sometimes it has scared me. dr. jekel and mr. hyde would be a good description. Is the blower getting to hot? something hooked up wrong? I am hitting boost and upped fuel pressure. No pinging. no check engine light. can something fail internally inside the blower to make it overheat maybe? I ordered your boost bypass valve which should be in soon, hopefully that will help, but I am skeptical that it will fix my problems. Let me know what you think. (p.s. a lot of people say the cap and rotor go bad quick, mine might still be stock, not to sure, could this be it?)
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bernd
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5/08/2002
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drtswinger: Relocate the IAT sensor into the fender (passenger-side) and plug the hole. This is the biggest problem especially on supercharged engines (compressed air gets really hot from the blower). Definitely install a Boost Bypass Valve as it will also help keep the blower cooler. On the cap/rotor...if they are the factory originals, replace them.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
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psychoRT
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Thanks that is what i was looking for the amount of advance, I know all about retarding the timing the shot will be well over 250+ so i am going to go with a msd digitial 6. This is the reason i am trying to get to the bottom of this before i start on the nitrous project and replace the internals.
I do not have the stock tb, so i cant replace it. The dyno should give me a pretty good idea on the power curves and were the truck needs work on. But there is somthing going on were i am getting power loss and dont know what it is? The truck does pull extremly hard down low thru first so there is somthing mid range that is messing me up.
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MikeD
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5/08/2002
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drtswinger, my buddy has a Lightning and he said his used to heat up fast but he put a boost bypass valve on his and it helped a bunch. But don't worry I think its just the R/T's...I've hung out w/ a fair share of em around dallas and they all say theirs heat up quickly, following my buddies around town we'll radio each other and sure enough their truck is getting hot and they don't even have SC's on their R/T's. Mine gets super hot cuz I don't have the ceramic coating on my headers like I should've gotten.
~Mike~
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MP 2400 Stall, True Duals w/ Flowmaster 10 series, M-1 2bbl, F&B 52mm TB, Airaid, JBA headers, JBA 9mm wires, Kenne Bell Optimizer II, 180 t-stat, 3rd cat removed, Chrome R/T badges
Awating Intall: 2.02 Ported Magnum R/T Heads, Kammer Cam, 1.6 RR's
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