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RubiconRunner
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From what I hear the new 2003 Dodge diesel will have synthetic engine oil from the factory with extended oil change intervals. Sounds what I've been advising! And I know how often you listen to me. More and more manufactures are seeing the value of synthetic oil. That's the recommended oil for the new all-aluminum V-8 in the 2002 Ford Explorer and 2003 Expedition. With the stress that diesels put on your transmissions, auto and manual, synthetic oil will help cool, shift easier and lubricate faster in cold weather.
Is it time to consider AMSOIL or one of the others?
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TEAMFAST
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Synthetic engine oil? Conventional is just fine
for me. Change it every 3000km. Synthetic is just
too expensive!
Synthetic transmission fluid? I will use this in
my manual gearbox...you dont change it so often.
What synthetic should I run in my NV3500?
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mdandl
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5/06/2002
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AMSOIL is my choice, been using it for years
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Dave Mitchell
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Why is it, that synthetic engine oil runs so pricey, at $4.50-$6.00 a quart?
The Mobil 1 synthetic gear oil I used in the differential was only $2 and some odd change.
I smell price gouging...
Of course, the oil manufacturers will state the cost of adding the detergents is soooooooo much higher, right?
Dave
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QuackDak
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Per my owners manual the oil for my NV3500 is MOPAR part #04874464, but no viscosity given. I have been using 5w-30 AMSOIL Synthetic per their catalog recommendation. The NP 2500 (got one of these too, '93 model) suggests 10w-30. Don't shoot me like a duck if I quoted the wrong part # as I am reading it from an old notepad and not direct from the manual.
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DakAttack
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Many Car and Truck manufacturers (Mercedes, Ford, Dodge, Exotics, etc.)are now delivering vehicles with synthetics and/or synthetic blends to dealerships. The advanced lubricity of Synthetic Oils has been proven to decrease wear and increase fuel economy by betwen 2% and 5% by reducing friction and allowing your engine to use its heat-energy more efficiently. Additionally, you can save money with longer drain intervals.
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Justin
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Synthetics are also recommended in older engines, because they improve the life of said engine.
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S Roark
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JMII
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I've heard that synthetics were bad for older engines because they were broken in with conventional oil which is thicker. Thus synthetics will leak in an older engine.
Any truth to this?
- John
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SometimeKnows
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5/08/2002
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If your engine is in questionable condition, at the next oil change, use one quart of AMSOIL (or Mobil1) engine oil mixed in with your favorite flavor. Due to its superior detergents and dispersants, the one quart of AMSOIL will clean your engine while its seal compatibility additives will condition your seals.
Unfortunately, petroleum oils are not very compatible with some seal materials and will dry and crack them over time. What happens with conventional oils is that the sludge petroleum oil produces will plug up the gaps in damaged seals so you don't know that there is a problem until you clean out the engine. This is the reason for adding one AMSOIL quart and driving until your next oil change ... you get a very slow flush while you are repairing seals. Remember, once damaged to a certain point, nothing can repair your seals and you may develop leaks.
Large oil companies have been very resistant to synthetic products because the market just won't bear the production cost and crude makes a barely acceptable lubricant that can be sold profitably.
If you put synthetic in an older high mileage engine, you may find leaks around some of your seals because small cracks in the seals may be filled with oily grime. When your engine is cleaned by the synthetic, you may get leaks! Use a bit of caution where you put your synthetic oil!! If you have used synthetic since the engine was young and you now have high mileage, there is no need to worry. Your engine will undoubtedly out last the ones using petroleum.
Personally Amsoil coined the phrase "extended drain interval" because they do it better than anyone else ... but use whatever synthetic you want. I am not an Amsoil Dealer, nor do I have any direct interest in their product, except that my mechanic has been putting it in my truck for 8 years.
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bernd
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5/08/2002
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I've run Amsoil, Mobil-1, Redline, and now Royal Purple. Between all of those, it's a tie between Mobil-1 and Redline, and Royal Purple easily beating out Amsoil on mileage and performance.
On extended intervals, yes...it's synthetic but the contaminents are still going to break down the oil. It doesn't matter who made the oil. (5000 mile on synthetic, 300-3500 on standard oil). It's your engine.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
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DodgeNut22
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Synthetic oil is great, didn't think so until I saw proof. My old mans 89 Dakota has had synthetic in it since it was new, now its got about 290,000 on it and every time you dump the oil, it comes out almost as clean as when it went in. After seeing that I put it in my 01 quad at the first change, and have ever since. As for the price difference I think it all works out in the end (at least its close, anyway) when you consider the extra miles you can run with synthetic.
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SometimeKnows
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Use 100 percent pure synthetic lubricants, such as Mobil 1 or Amsoil, in the engine, transmission and axle - which I use in my own vehicles(8 years- 200,000 miles on AMSOIL).
Figure to spend about $50 for an oil and filter change using synthetic oil, about $175 for a transmission flush and change to synthetic fluid, and $50 to drain and refill an axle with synthetic oil.
Regarding price: Extended oil drain intervals will save you money in a comparison between conventional oils and synthetics.
Regarding America's Independence: Extended oil drain intervals will help to reduce American dependence on foreign oil. Use Synthetics!
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Be Aware
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BE CAREFUL:
Not all Synthetic Oils are TRUELY Synthetic.
To quote an expert:
In 1999 the National Advertising Division (NAD) of the council of Better Business Bureau ruled in a debate of what is "synthetic". Mobil challenged Castrol's replacement of polyalphaolefins (PAO's) with hydroisomerized waxes in their synthetic formulations. The Bureau ruled in Castrols favor and allowed them to call this hydroisomerized processed petroleum oil a synthetic. The NAD ruled that synthetic was just a marketing term since there was no true definition of what synthetic is. Since then many oil companies have replaced their True Synthetics with this highly refined petroleum oil in place of the more expensive True Synthetic PAO's. These new highly refined petroleum oils are better in quality and performance than the cheaper refined oils, but only come close in some parameters to a True synthetic oil and are cheaper to manufacture.
There is a growing place in the market place for these new oils, as the bar keeps raising in regards to motor oil improvements required for new engines. They will never be able to measure up to the parameters of hot and cold temperatures that True Synthetics can safely handle though.
TRUE 100% Synthetics offer TRUE protection!!!
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Jason
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Hey bernd, so between AMSOIL, MOBIL 1, ROYAL PURPLE, AND REDLINE, which is the best?
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ty
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Dave Mitchell
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Forgive me... Just felt impelled to ask again and see if anyone has a hypothesis...
Why is it, that synthetic engine oil runs so pricey, at $4.50-$6.00 a quart?
The Mobil 1 synthetic gear oil I used in the differential was only $2 and some odd change.
I smell price gouging...
Of course, the oil manufacturers will state the cost of adding the detergents is soooooooo much higher, right?
Dave
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Be Aware
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Many oil companies have replaced their True Synthetics with a highly refined petroleum oil - in place of the more expensive True Synthetic PAO's. These new highly refined petroleum oils are better in quality and performance than the cheaper refined conventional oils, but only come close in comparison to a True Synthetic Oil --- and they are cheaper to manufacture so they can be sold at a cheaper price.
There is a growing place in the market place for these new less than perfect oils. Auto engineers keep raising the bar in regards to motor oil improvements required for new engines.
These new "pretend" synthetics will never be able to measure up to the parameters of hot and cold temperatures that True Synthetics can safely handle --- and they will hopefully be phased out.
TRUE 100% Synthetics offer TRUE protection!!!
I.E. You get what you pay for.
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SynMan
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I borrowed this from a website and maybe it will help answer your question
Know the Facts --- AMSOIL Saves You Money!
AMSOIL extended drain intervals mean fewer oil changes,
long term savings and convenience
Example:
Conventional motor oil companies recommend 3,000-mile drain intervals
Conventional 10W-30 Motor Oil
*(40 quarts needed for 25,000 miles) @ $1.50/qt. x 40 = $60.00
8 Standard Oil Filters @ $5.00 per filter x 8 = $40.00
TOTAL $100.00
AMSOIL recommends 25,000-mile/1-year drain intervals
AMSOIL 10W-30 Synthetic Motor Oil
*(6 quarts needed for 25,000 miles) @ $5.70/qt. x 6 = $34.20
2 AMSOIL Super Duty Oil Filters @ $10.00 per filter x 2 = $20.00
TOTAL $54.20
* Comparison based on 25,000 miles driven per year and 5-quart oil capacity, with one quart top-off for filter change.
You save $45.80 per year using AMSOIL premium quality synthetic motor oil and oil filters.
Even if you drive only 12,000 miles per year, the cost for AMSOIL is the same as you pay for petroleum oil now! But you still get better protection, lower engine temperatures, easier cold-weather starts and less engine wear. All of these benefits add up to an engine that will last longer and need fewer repairs. Change your oil and filter today and in six months change the filter again. That's it! What could be more convenient and good for your vehicle, too?
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2DaksInDaHous
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Dave Mitchell is off his rocker if he thinks that he can find any TRUE Synthetic for less than three dollars a quart, and it takes between two to four quarts to fill a differential.
Here is a guy that ain't got no clue, probably drives a clunker, and has dreams of riding shotgun in a dope dak.
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Dr.D
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Shhhh ........ Be Quiet!
I wish that all of you guys here would not spread
the word about AMSOIL being soooo good!
It has saved me, my family and my lawncare
business (Earth Angel's Lawncare) between
50-75% on the dollar in oil and fuel savings
alone !
And that allows me to be much more competitive on
the turf as well as the street.
I laugh when I see other people changing their oil
while I am on the way to my favorite fishing hole!
Dr.D
P.S. I use the 100:1 synthetic two-cycle in all
of my two-cycle equipment and it cost me
about 25 cents per gallon to mix it .....
and that old 5.9L likes the AMSOIL too!
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Be Aware
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5/12/2002
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Today's vehicles are built to go 100,000 miles without a tune-up. Tires last for 75,000 to 100,000 miles. Anti-freeze now lasts up to 150,000 miles.
If it weren't for your oil and filters, you could drive your car off the lot and never see another service technician for 100,000 miles. Don't you wish "they" would come up with some way to avoid the hassle and the expense of so many oil & filter changes? If you're tired of 3,000 mile oil changes, this will be some of the most important information you ever read.
LUBRICATION INDUSTRY SECRETS REVEALED! - Why isn't the automotive lubrication industry offering the same convenience that other automotive industries are? Because they're afraid of lost revenue. The technology's been around for years.
It's simply more profitable for large oil companies to sell conventional petroleum motor oils, or a four dollar STANDARD DRAIN Synthetic ... than a slightly more expensive EXTENDED DRAIN Synthetic. They've got you coming back every 3,000 to 5,000 miles. They've want your money ... and they've got your money.
In fact, Synthetic Oils are just an ADD-ON for the BIG oil companies. Their bread and butter is conventional petroleum oil sales. If they start selling cost-effective, extended drain synthetic oils, you will quit buying petroleum oil. And, you'll purchase synthetic oil less often. In the end their profit margins would fall drastically. They would have to completely rethink their marketing strategy. How sad.
Here's another little known tidbit you should know. Mobil came out with a 25,000 mile synthetic in the mid 70's. But, the company refocused on petroleum oils because they were more profitable. Guess what? They've done another 180 degree turnaround. It appears Mobil Corporation is now working on yet another 25,000 mile synthetic oil. Why 25,000 miles? Why not 20,000 or 30,000? Who do you think their competing with? I won't mention any names (I am not into promoting someone else)... but if you look around I bet you might see their ad on this website.
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IndustryXpert
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I believe the whole point of using a Premium Synthetic Oil is peace of mind. I like knowing that I can trust the oil in my car to protect my engine. I like knowing that 100,000 or 200,000 or even 300,000 miles down the road, I won’t necessarily have to start looking for another vehicle (unless I’m ready, and I want to). I also like knowing that when 20,000 miles rolls around, I still have a few thousand miles left to find time to change the oil.
I used to be a pretty regular 3,000 mile oil changer. I had a very hard time believing that an oil could possibly last longer than 5,000 or at best 7,000 miles. Changing at 3,000 miles was very safe and “assured” me of no mechanical breakdowns.
When I started looking at Synthetics, my perspective changed a little. I figured, if I was going to go out and spend over $20,000 for a new truck, I wanted to get the most for my money. Just protecting against breakdown for a couple hundred thousand miles wasn’t enough. I don’t take my truck to the mechanic and hope he doesn’t break it. I take my truck to the mechanic so that he can make it better. The same can be true of your oil.
Let’s talk about oil changes first. If it’s necessary to change oil every 3,000 to 5,000 miles, then so be it. We should just do it, and accept that it’s an integral part of keeping our vehicles from breaking down.
But, if it’s not necessary, why do it? Just because our Dad did? My Dad used to listen to 8-track tapes too. Now we’ve got these nifty little CD’s that sound clear as a bell and last pretty much forever. Am I going to listen to 8-track tapes? Probably not. I don’t change my oil every 3,000 miles anymore either.
Thank You
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Dave Mitchell
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Okay, I'm off my rocker. I bought the Mobil 1 Synthetic gear lube for my differential change at $2.90 a quart! The guy that sold it to me at the Grass Valley Kragen store was off his rocker, also, I guess. But the Mobil 1 synthetic engine oil runs about $6.00 a quart at the same place.
I just want to know... why? I realize there are detergents in engine oil. Does that REALLY justify the 2X rice difference, per quart?
I don't know what this is all about... Sounds like 2DaksInDaHous is getting all personal about the oil price question...
I drive a 2001 Quad Cab Sport plus... If it's a clunker, then 2DaksinDaHous is a RICER! What's a "dope dak"?
Someone's on dope... And it isn't me.
Dave Mitchell
2DaksInDaHous
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Dave Mitchell is off his rocker if he thinks that he can find any TRUE Synthetic for less than three dollars a quart, and it takes between two to four quarts to fill a differential.
Here is a guy that ain't got no clue, probably drives a clunker, and has dreams of riding shotgun in a dope dak.
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Dr.D
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5/13/2002
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Hey Dave,
I don't think that anyone was trying to get
all personal with you but it seems that when you
start talking about "price gouging" and "expensive
$6.00 per qt. synthetics" we take offense because
it makes those of us who buy Synthetics look like
a bunch of fools to some people here at
DodgeDakotas.com
Those of us who have been using Synthetics for
years know that Synthetics cost less to use and we
hope that one day that you will agree.
Dr.D
P.S.
If you will call companies like AMSOIL or LUBRIZOL
(a Major synthetic basestock manufacturer) and ask
them why Synthetics cost so much they WILL tell
you; or go to a major library and check out a book
on tribology.
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2DaksInDaHous
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Sorry Dave,
It was not my intention to get personal about the price question. I was only trying to be funny. I'm new to this site and don't know all the personalities. I've seen my friends an well as myself be penny wise and dollar foolish ... which led to expensive repairs and alterations. I have seen comments on another forum that states KMart is having great liquidation sales at the stores they are closing. Perhaps there you can pick up some real bargains there for your truck (I saw Mobil1 oil filters advertised for $2 each).
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2DaksInDaHous
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Down wid da 2DaksInDaHous.
Hot tub in the back of dis be-itch.
Put em on the glass.
Love da Dak Ho's
Zup krew?
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AmsoilSponsor
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Rubicon Runner,
You were the original post on this thread. In reference to your original post, I wanted to ask if you ordered a 2003 Dodge Diesel. Otherwise I have nothing to add. :-)
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer, Proud Sponsor of DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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