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Nicholas
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4/25/2002
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I am thinking about switching to Synthetic, but not sure what filter to use. Everyones got their own likes and dislikes. Prior to buying my 2001 Motorsports Edition Dak, I had a 1984 Chevy Cavalier, and just threw quaker state 10w10 in there with fram filters. Since I bought the truck, i've just had the oil changed at the dealership, but would like to swtich to synthetic. Just looking for a good oil, and a good filter to use, cause i've heard that Fram collapse on these engines? Anyone with ideas, please let me know. Thank you!
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sandman
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4/25/2002
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Well up to yesterday I used the mobile 1 filter. I have switched to Baldwin B34. It is as good as it gets and I get them for $4.22. That is $5.88 less then the mobile 1 filter. This filter is built like a brick Sh*t house. I was realy impressed with the construction it is built even tougher then a K&N. I doubt I will ever use anything else as long as I can get them. If $4.00 per filter is too much try an AC/Delco or Napa Gold.
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Nicholas
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4/25/2002
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Im not worried about the price. I just havn't seen a filter for synthetic oil around here. Looked everywhere. Never even heard of a Baldwin! lol, where do you get them?
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SLEEPER318
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4/25/2002
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Baldwin is used mainly on Diesel engines. really good filters. We had them on our EMD engine on our tug. I use Mobil 1 synthetic oil and filter. the Mobil 1 filter is for synthetic. it's 10 bucks here. i just haven't heard of anyone using Baldwin on a gas engine. I know many big rigs use them.
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mdandl
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4/26/2002
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baldwin, i use them in my fleet vehicles and in customers vehicles, very hard to find a filter that is any better. wix is good to, napa gold is wix btw.
1997 Dakota Sport rc v6
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GayBoy
Dodge Dakota
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4/26/2002
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You guys make me laugh. I would use any filter except Fram!!! (Fram is synonymous for garbage)
Purolater makes some decent ones too.
$10 for an oil filter?? You guys are stupid. Send me the extra money you have to piss away on stupid crap!
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mdandl
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4/26/2002
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gayboy your right fram is junk and purolater filters are ok but wix and baldwin are top line and don't cost any more i pay 3.35 for a baldwin b34 and yes i can get purolater are 2.49 but i pay extra because I KNOW they are better
but as long as you change regular most any filter will do
BTW i cut all of my filters and look inside for metal and other things
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SLEEPER318
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4/26/2002
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yup your gay. we know so who cares.
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Nicholas
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4/26/2002
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Wix makes good filters?? hmm.. never knew that. My buddy works at an auto parts store, who sells wix.. Never knew they were any good.
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sandman
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4/26/2002
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Hasting makes a good filter as well! There is nothing stupid about wanting to filter out as small of particals as reasonable. What is stupid is not takeing care of your second most expensive investment. The leading cause of engine failure is from contaimnates that the filter is unable to filter out. As far as filters specificly for synthetic there realy is not such a beast. The reason that the mobile one is"synthetic" is because it uses synthetic fiber in the filter media. The synthetic fibers are able to catch smaller particals. The baldwin also use some synthetic fibers but it also uses natural fibers and is a blend of many differnt fibers. The reason for useing a better filter with synthic is mostly to maximize engine life. My goal is to get a minimum of 300,000 miles out of this Dodge. If I am going to spend extra for synthetic then I want to keep as many engine contaminates from reentering the engine. I want to stop as many as I can on the first pass. I also want to have plenty of storage room in the filter so I have no problem getting 5000-7000 miles out of the filter with out it entering into bypass. I am considering a a bypass filtering system. I think it has a nominale rateing of 1/2 micron and a absoulute rateing of 2 microns! I will have to double check the rateing. Ya we cut aircraft filter open and send a filter sample to be tested as well as an oil sample. I am considering this type of program for mine as well. Anyone know of a company that tests oil and has good prices?
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Art
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4/26/2002
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Just to throw Fram a lifeline,they do have a new oil filter line out called the X2,which is made with syn fibres and says its a 5-7000 mile filter,maybe I will grab one
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sandman
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4/27/2002
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Art, The filter media in the fram is not the bigest problem. It is true that they use less sq. area of filter medium in their filters then anyone else they have other problems. Fram (allied signal)uses cardboard end caps and center tube instead of steel. They use a chaep silicone anti-drain back valve that often sticks allowing contaminated oil to drain back into the pan. They also have problems with the filter bypass actuateing on-off on-off dureing normaly operation. This causes alot of lifter problems as the vechile is momentarily starveing for oil. The X2 is the same poor design with better filtering media. I used Fram for abour 28 years and now I will not go near one. I have only owned one car with hydralic lifters and one with mechanical lifters. All of the other vechiles had over head cam.
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Dave
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4/27/2002
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There is no such thing as a "Synthetic filter". Yes some oil filters are better than other I prefer Valvoline Oil and filters, Valvoline is a very high detergent oil and their filters are the best you can get for your money. I have run Valvoline in evertyhing I have ever owned except for my Mustang in that I ran penzoil cause it had a parafin base to it so it plugs up the leaks, but anyway, I have been running Valvoline Synthetic and Filters since the day I bought my 99 CC 5.2 4x4 and run about 4000-4500 miles between changes. You can pull the dipstick out any time and still see clean oil.
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Art
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4/27/2002
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They have syn fibres,and Im gonna try that new fram X2 as Im due for a oil change. I have 2 used filters from the truck,one is a mopar the one on there now is a K&N and I will try that X2 next weekend,maybe I will cut them open and see the difference
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sandman
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4/27/2002
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Art check this site out. http://www.dorianyeager.com/oilfilterstudy1.html
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MikeW
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4/27/2002
22:34:32
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About a year ago I switched from mobil-1 to ACDelco ultraguard gold oil filters.
It uses 100% synthetic media. It has an efficiency rating of 98 percent at 8–10 microns and traps particles up to four times smaller than particles trapped by conventional filters.
The specs claim "*Engineered to trap smaller contaminants. Ultraguard Gold can help reduce engine wear by up to 74 percent. Based on independent testing of oil filters using single-pass efficiency (Ref. SAE J1858)."
There is an competitive comparison chart available here: http://www.acdelco.com/html/pi_filt_oil_gold_comp.htm
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Art
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4/28/2002
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ya I`ve seen that site before Sandman,they dont have that X2 on there tho,I know all companys hype their own products,I will give it a shot and see how it is,I go grab one tomorrow.You know I used to always use ph8a frams all the time and never had a problem although I probably change my filter every 3 months and the oil every 6 months,the K&n is well made but it costs like 20 bucks here and that X2 is half the price so wtf give it a shot.Allied signal make some descent products, autolite plugs and prestone to name a couple
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98FlameRdDak
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4/28/2002
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Since my good friend is an Amsoil dealer, I get my oil at cost. Amsoil also makes their own oil filter to which I have used over the years. When I had my 95 Cavaliar I used Amsoil 10W30 and an Amsoil filter. Now that I have my 98 Dakota, I also use Amsoils oil filter.
If you would like to get prices on Amsoil, email me and I will email you my friends email address.
Personally I have never done research on oil filters before. I have always eithter used Fram, Castrol or Amsoil. Never had a problem with any of those before.
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sandman
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4/28/2002
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98FlameRdDak, Amsoil does not make their own oil filter's. They also do not make the dual filter bypass oil filter base. I think that the full flow filter made buy Baldwin. The filter base has the company that makes it stamped right on it. I have no idea who makes the bypass filter for them.
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mdandl
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4/29/2002
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sandman, baldwin makes all of amsoils filters and hastings are also part of baldwin
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Justin
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5/02/2002
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I use Mobil 1 15W50 and I use the mobil 1 filter, the only reason for the mobil 1 filter is so I don't have to think about which filter I have.
I have to think about enough $hit on my truck, I have 91 with a 5.2 out of a 96 Jeep Grand Cherokee.
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Justin
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Some dealerships will not let you switch to synthetic, they say it invalidates the warranty.
I know a girl that has a 2001 Mustang, her dealership makes her use 5W20 Quaker-State.
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Nicholas
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5/02/2002
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I get my oil changed at the dealer now cause its free. But it's crappy Mopar oil and filter. I am going to call them now and ask now that you mention it. Just to make sure. Interesting though that dealerships can "make" you use a certain oil if wanting to swtich to something better.
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
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5/02/2002
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Justin read the Magnusen Moss Act(sp). The manufacture can not require you to use any given brand of product in order to maintain your warranty unless they provide they product to you free of charge! The manufacture can only set standards and specifications for a given product. So if you apply this to oil they can tell you what specifications the oil must meet but can not require any one brand. So they can say you have to use an API approved oil and can specify a certin weight. They can not tell you what source the hydrocarbons come from. If a dealer tell you stuff like this ask for it in writeing and send a copy of it to Diamler.
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Jim
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5/05/2002
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Not pertaining to oil filters but. . .
"Factory Fill" with Mobil 1:
*Chevrolet Corvette
* All Porsche vehicles
* Mercedes-Benz AMG vehicles
* Dodge Viper
* Ford Mustang Cobra R
* All Aston Martin cars
Justin's girlfriend's Ford dealer must not want
her to run the same oil as the Ford Mustang
Cobra R. Go figure.
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TheDakMan
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5/08/2002
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For those that are wondering what are the best filters and oils for most personal vehicles,I recommend Amsoil and their line of new SDF full flow oil filters. They carry HASTINGS filters also, and Bosch Products. I've used Amsoil for over a decade with no problems. I change the oils annually, the fullflow filters at 6mo intervals.
I am not an Amsoil Dealer, I just use their products... so please don't shoot me.
The one reason synthetic does so well over petroleum is that it is molecularly stable. All of the molecules are virtually the same. Not so with petroleum.
With synthetic, you reduce friction which in turn reduces internal heat and wear and tear on the motor or moving parts. Less friction means less wear - more horsepower with less work for the engine to do.
Amsoil also has it's oil extended drain interval warranted which is something you won't see too often with other synthetics. Historicly, Amsoil's prices on oil and their line of extended drain screw-on engine oil filters and by-pass oil filters are cheaper than the others ... they carry HASTINGS filters also.
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Larry
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6/01/2002
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Nicholas, try these. Each site has many pages. Read 'em all. I'm not selling anything. I just wanted to get the facts. These are just the first ones that I've found. I'm sure ther're more out there. Please let me know if you find anything good. Thanks, Larry
>http://www.oilguardfilters.com/index.htm http://www.synlube.com/prod06.htm
.www.Motor-oil-bible.com
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gearjammer
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I thought the Hastings filter was pretty well constructed too, but the co. says it filters only to 22 microns- not bad, but not great. The Pur-o-lator "Pure 1" goes down to 10 microns! I've got a 5.0 'Stang with a few "extra logs in the fire", & believe me when I say it has seen hundreds of nice long 6000rpm thrashes. At 55,000 the heads were off, and the advantages of Mobil 1 were plainly visible. No wear! Fresh cross-hatch on the thrust side of every cylinder! It's around 400hp now, & lives well on Mobil 1 & Pure One (naming coincidence?) Apparently, the best oil filter ever was the AC Delco "Ultraguard Gold"; 8-10 microns with the highest flow capacity, but they don't make them anymore! Anybody know what's up with that?
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joe
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10/12/2002
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i have been using Bosch filters...any opinions on this filter?
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10/12/2002
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Joe,
I'm kinda busy today to discuss oil filters but I hope these links help:
Regular (Standard) Bosch Oil Filter Link
Premium Bosch Oil Filter Link
I hope this helps you find your answers.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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MOPARornoCAR
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10/12/2002
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wix
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ac delco
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