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William Hiatt
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4/12/2002
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I have a 2000 Dodge Dakota /w 4WABS, 34,500 miles on it. I have had this frustrating brake problem for the last 20,000 some on thousand miles. It's been to the dealer, written letters to the zone representative, and they just say everything is fine. I do have Raybestos pads and shoes on it, and they say aftermarket pads/shoes make the brakes feel different (Total BS).
Anyways, onto the symptoms:
1) Slow pedal return - Every other car/truck I have tried has an almost instantaneous pedal return when you let your foot off. I take about 1-2 seconds to fully return.
2) Pedal goes to floor during normal braking - In a normal stop (From whatever speed), I can put the pedal all the way to the floor. In the meantime, the car is still rolling.
3) Panic stopping - When going to panic stop, if you press on the pedal real fast, the pedal gets hard to push down, and you can feel about a second before the brakes kick in.
4) Pedal falls away - Sometimes, I'll have a low pedal, and it'll seem firm up top, and then you press on the pedal, and it falls away.
I first suspected air, but the dealer has done a flush on the brake fluid, and to no avail, NOT fixed the problem. What are ya'll suggestions for getting this fixed? Could there still be air trapped up, ABS unit internal leak, master cylinder leak, combination valve? How do I go about explaining this to the dealer? I'm to the point of paying for all this upfront, and then going after Chrysler for valid warranty claims that weren't filled, and possibly more.
Thanks
william
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Art
Dodge Dakota
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4/13/2002
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Your symptoms sound like it has air in the system,a bad master or vacum brake booster has a vacum leak.Wonder if you had any check engine lights? you would think if the pedal went down that far a MIL would trigger
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DakotaCC
Dodge Dakota
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4/13/2002
02:22:40
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ABS systems can be notoriously difficult to bleed properly, even with vacuum or pressure bleeders. You have a braking problem, the fact that you can floor the pedal and still have the vehicle rolling indicates a serious safety hazard. Take the vehicle to an independent garage and pay to have a diagnostic run on the braking system. Present this do the dealer, along with your demand to have the vehicle fixed and to be reimbursed for the diagnosis. If your dealer and zone rep still aren't taking care of this, then I'd say have your lawyer draft a letter to DC advising them that a known safety defect has been reported to them and has not been corrected, and that should any death, injury, or property loss occur as a result of this uncorrected failure that you or your estate will hold DC liable. Kaka rolls downhill, and my guess is that your zone rep and dealer will get a notice from DC to do whatever it takes to correct the problem. Don't delay!
Best,
DG
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xplikt
Dodge Dakota
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4/13/2002
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That's the spirit! Hold them by their juevos!
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MDANDL
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4/13/2002
06:58:19
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check rear brake adjustment also, can cause this same effect
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Peter
Dodge Dakota
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12/21/2005
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I have a 97 CC, 3.9L, 2 wheel ABS, 95K miles. I know this is an old post but I'm hoping someone found a fix. I replaced my pads rotors and hubs, and all of a sudden I am having problems. Bled the brakes twice then took it to pepboys, they said master cylinder was bad. I replaced that, bled the brakes again, at all possible points and it still didn't help. Before I pour any more money into it, I'm hoping someone has already run into this problem.
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shannon
Dodge Dakota
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12/21/2005
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Go to a different dealer. Some dealers just plain suck. Had a problem with my blinkers. Went to the same dealer twice but no fix (kept my truck 5 days) Went to a different dealer and it was fixed in 2 hours.
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Peter
Dodge Dakota
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12/21/2005
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Shannon, I would but someone stole my check card and spent $400, so I'm trying to do it without spending much money. Every place I've called charges just to look at it. I would be more than willing to pay for someone to look at it, but I don't have much confidence in any of the places I take it to.
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shannon
Dodge Dakota
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12/22/2005
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sorry peter, my comments were directed to william. Sorry to here about your check card.
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AZDAK
Dodge Dakota
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12/22/2005
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Recently had a similar problem on my 98.Turned out to be a bad booster caused by a leaking master cyl. Replaced them both. So far, so good.
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Dan M
Dodge Dakota
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12/23/2005
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Peter,
Get a copy of your bankstatement. You probably already have access to that online. Then start calling those places that accepted your check card. I'm assuming they ran it as a credit card since they did not know your PIN.
Speak to the manager and ask why their employees accepted a credit card without checking ID. EVERY Store has a company policy to check ID when running credit cards. My wife is a retail manager and has worked for several differnet companies. When people give her grief about showing ID, she tells them that if they want to use that card they have to show ID and informs them that it is company policy to prevent fraud. Then ask for a contact at corporate and call them as well.
- Dan M
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Peter
Dodge Dakota
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12/27/2005
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My bank is taking care of all of the leg work. Since they spent my money in a couple of different places that fall under different jurisdictions, they are going to have a couple of people after them. Plus my bank also wants to press charges. Luckily debit card abuse is a felony so eventually this guy will get what is coming to him.
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RadioMan
Dodge Dakota
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12/27/2005
13:59:53
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Sounds like a brake booster problem to me, William
Hiatt..
I think AZDAK may be putting you on the right
track also...
I had a 63 Ford that had a hard as a rock brake
pedal. I replace the vacuum booster and normal
braking returned...
Let us know what you find out...
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jecht
Dodge Dakota
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12/27/2005
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also the bank should give your money back. like it said not responable for fraudulant charges. I know i had something like this happen. and they credited my account back.
but yes be surpised at how many places dont ask for ID when using a credit or check card.
could his rubber breake hoses be swelling going to the caliper? I have heard this happening but never seen it first and?
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Peter
Dodge Dakota
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12/27/2005
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My bank is giving me a provisional credit for the full amount until everything is squared away. I'm just lucky I wasn't in desperate need of money at the time.
I wouldn't think that both brake hoses would be malfunctioning at the same time, and they don't look like they are in bad shape. It stops straight and doesn't pull. If the condition worsens at all the Brake Booster will be next.
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Chase
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I have a 02 quad cab disk is the front drum in the rear when I
brake say... In a parking lot... I'll press on the pedal it will sink
Down really far almost to the floor and the the rear wheels
will lock up it's like no braking or straight lock up and on the
freeway I'll press the pedal and same I'll feel no braking and
then all of a sudden they will grab real rough like
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daddio
Dodge Dakota
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3/18/2011
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Chase, have you pulled the wheels to inspect the brakes? Or have you had any work done on the brakes lately?
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Chase
Dodge Dakota
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3/18/2011
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Daddio, well when ever the brakes needed tone done, I
changed the pads and shoes by myself but this problem was
there, I took it to a brake shop the guy told me that the rear
cables were broken and needed adjustment, so he fixed that
and I had him bleed them when I got the truck back it was
perfect the pedal was nice and firm, then about two weeks
later the pedal started doing it againnot as bad then worse
and worse I'm almost thinking it's just how brakes feel when
they are low I have not inspected them yet since the shop but
I don't know what i would be looking for either.
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daddio
Dodge Dakota
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3/18/2011
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Do you have Rear Wheel ABS or 4 Wheel ABS and are there any lights on the dash indicating a problem with either BRAKE or ABS? I'd look for any leaks at all of the wheeels, brake lines and connections. I had a rear wheel brake cylinder blow out on me without any warning a while back. But at 125K miles back then I figured that was not too bad. With my truck @ 135K now I just had to put new rotors and pads. First time replacing rotors on this truck and the second set of pads.
If you're not sure what you're looking for I'd find someone who does and let them drive the truck and insepct the brakes with you so you can learn a little more.
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Jake
Dodge Dakota
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I have a 2002 Dakota quad cab I am having problems with brakes. The pedal is soft and goes almost to the floor before engaging brakes. If I hit the brakes hard for quick stop, they work well. If I press slowly on the brakes coming to a stop, the pedal fades all the way down and then at the end I get braking. Had in shop for 2 days. Put new master in, bled the lines, put new vacuum hose on and still have the problem. Actually now, it is worse than before. Before they did all that, if I pumped the brakes, I would have solid pedal and good braking.(didn't help if you had to stop fast, though) Now, pumping doesn't help. Any sugjestions I can take to the Dodge mechanic?
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xpaladocious
Dodge Dakota
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Jake...I have the same problem with my 2002 Dakota
quad cab...what did you find was wrong with yours?
thanks, David
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