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Brandon
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3/14/2001
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http://www.magnaforce.com
My dad uses this on his 68 Barracuda Fastback w/318...he swears that it will keep the oil cleaner and is WAY more effective than a magnetic oil plug. So just to let the folks out there know...
Less wear on the motor...and cheap at $26.50
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Bernd
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3/14/2001
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I've seen many of these devices advertised....personal opinion: Gimmick.
I have a 1969 AMC Javelin with over 225K miles on the clock. Oil changes at regular intervals (every 3500 miles) and when we freshend up the engine at 185K (busted valve...factory defect on the head) there were NO metal shavings in the oil pan, excessive wear on the cylinder walls, or bearings and bearing surfaces.
The key to all of this is proper maintenance. If you buy something that claims "Protects your engine"...make sure that it doesn't instill false confidence as well.
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged w/Nitrous
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Brandon
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3/14/2001
14:43:13
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OK....
I never posted the message intending to leave the impression that you now no longer have to perform regular maintenance. I guess that there is never any wear on the motor, and small particles don't float around. So some of the sludge that is picked up buy the magnet must be a figment of my imagination. Sorry.
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Bernd
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3/15/2001
01:24:47
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Easy there Brandon. That was a personal opinion...not a sarcastic or slanderous remark.
There is wear...but the particles are caught in the oil filter. I also stated that there was no excessive wear...not "No Wear".
Bernd D. Ratsch
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT
Supercharged w/Nitrous
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95DakotaV8
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3/15/2001
06:12:03
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Reading the "about" magnaforce page, the impression is that all the floating particles are from the initial break in period, which in my case, was Mar 1995 so I will keep my 26 bucks and by a nice dinner for my wife, which is proven to make me last longer!
Kevin Rants
95 Dakota CC SLT 4x4, 5.2L, 5spd, 3.90 rear end
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Allen Duran
Dodge Dakota
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8/20/2002
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Use FILTER PLUS...It is very easy to install and it's re-usable, long lasting and much cheaper than the others, plus one size fits all spin-on oil filters. www.filter-plus.com
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Knobby Knees
Dodge Dakota
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8/20/2002
21:10:57
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These devices appear to work,I`ve seen the metallic slush from some friends vehicles.The amount of particles collected seems to vary depending on the type of oil used and the condition or mileage of the engine.
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Dr. D
Dodge Dakota
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8/20/2002
21:34:40
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The biggest and most damaging wear particle in an engine is DIRT (silicon) and although you may have a magnet in place it will not trap aluminum,copper,dirt and other non-ferous particles.
A good oiled foam air filter, premium oil filter, ultra fine oil filtration system (AMSOIL makes a good one)and the use of a very high quality synthetic oil will help that truck of yours last much,much longer.
ultra-fine oil filtration systems(by-pass filters) have been tested and proven through oil analysis to remove particles as small as 1/10th of one micron (most premium full flow oil filters are rated at around 15) and some brands even trap and hold small amounts of water.
Almost every big diesel truck on the road today has one of these filtration systems factory installed.
Dr. D
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Knobby Knees
Dodge Dakota
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8/20/2002
22:08:35
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I agree with Dr.D)Synth oil,fine filtration of oil and air,and oil analysis is the way to go for long engine life.Although some folks may not be able to afford all that protection.
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
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8/20/2002
22:10:45
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I think that you would be better off getting a bypass filtration system. Magnets are a good back up but they do little for an engine that has good oil and filter system. They are much more efective in transmissions and in rear diffs. Transmissions realy do not have very good filters in them at all. Flow is the primary concern for transmissions. There are a few trans with realy good filtering systems our trucks 45RFE has a good filtering system with two filters a high flow felt filter on primary side and a good canister screw in filter on the return side from the cooler. The other trany that I have experince with that is realy good is the Alison 1000. I am sure their are others. So in a system that sacrifices filtering for flow or in the case of a rear diff that does not have a filter a magnet is a great idea. In an engine your parts should only make metal to metal contact at start up. The rest of the time your parts should be kept seperated by oil. If you are useing synthetic oil you should seldom make contact even at start up. Synthetic oil can cling to engine parts for up to a month even after shut down.
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nuckenfuts
Dodge Dakota
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8/21/2002
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Magnets are trash! a gimmic, plain and simple. If ur internal engine parts are whearing at a rate at which u need a magnet to collect the magetic biproduct between oil changes u might want to consider purchasing a new engine/rebuild. Think about it , if u install the magnet and collect all this metalic particulate, at some point u won't need the magnet anymore because it will have removed all the particles that are causing engine wear, right. Stick a magnet in some used oil fromur vehicle next time u change yur oil and see how much metalic stuff sticks to it . A. NONE.
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tigerINuTank
Dodge Dakota
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8/21/2002
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Maybe a MAGNET in your brain would make you wiser.
...and a tiger in your tank make you faster.
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JBL
Dodge Dakota
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8/21/2002
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To be fair,magnets do work,but as Dr.D says they are limited and wont attract all metallic particles and are probably better used on a tranny or diff.
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Johnny
Dodge Dakota
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11/11/2002
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If you never tried a strong heat-treated neodymium magnet attached to your oil filter and cut it open after 2,000 or 3,000 miles of normal driving, then you really can't say too much about the subject....So I recommend that trying one on your oil filter and give it the "True Test". Cut it open after 3,000 miles and see for yourself. I used "FILTER PLUS" on my 1999 Dodge Ram truck and "boy" was I ever surprised at the amount of metal particles it trapped.....and I used a good brand name synthetic oil and a 15 micron oil filter....
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Norm
Dodge Dakota
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11/11/2002
23:04:16
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If you guys out there who don't believe in magnets on oil filters working to trap friction-causing iron and steel particles that are present in your motor oil, then pour a handful of them in your engine oil and let them flow through your engine for 2,000 plus miles.......I'll take a strong magnet on an oil filter anytime...
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huh
Dodge Dakota
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11/12/2002
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let's not forget about the magnets you put around your fuel line to increase mileage. Lines up the molecules or something. A friend of mine swore by it. He said he got 2-3 more MPG.
I guess I got some gullable friends.
oh bye the way he also bought a water injection system to increase MPG. It sprayed a mist into the intake. The water turned to steam during ignition and the steam expanded and more power.
In his mind it worked great - he paid for it. I just listened.
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Tool Guy
Dodge Dakota
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11/12/2002
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My neighbor has this electric thing he bought on the net, that's supposed to make his house water less hard.
It's just a wire thats wraps around the pipe and it's supposed to charge the CaCl molecules.
But the thing he showed me wraps one way on one wire, and the other direction on the other wire, wouldn't this cancel the elec. charge?
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huh
Dodge Dakota
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11/12/2002
16:51:56
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OK I found the links to a magnetic fuel system
http://www.fuelmiser.com/products.htm
and a link to a water injection system
http://www.aquatune.com/index.asp
Gawd they still make this stuff. anybody use them in addition to 3923, tb, and other mods.
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FredDQC
Dodge Dakota
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11/12/2002
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huh
I was about to be "persuaded" by the website you mentioned about the fuel magnet, when my brother that has a PhD in chemistry walked in my office. I'm a electronic technician and me and my brother read the literature on that product and came to the simple conclusion of BS!!Ja,Ja. It sounds convincing for someone that is ignorant to the subject but that is the cruelest way to rip-off somebody. Some of that staff is pure imagination of the author because scientifically does not exists. I hope some one takes matters into hands and sues these fraudalent bastards!!.
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
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11/12/2002
20:12:42
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If you have that much iron or steel circulating in your engine you need a new engine!!! Bearing material is not magnetic. The rings, block, guides valves and cams are. If these are wearing fast enough that you naked eye can see wear metal due to a magnetic device on you oil filter I would want to know why my oil filter did not stop them. Did it ever ocure to anyone that the particles that you do see inside the filter would normaly be traped by the filter media anyways and that the magnetic band is just holding what was already caught by the filter to the inside of the can?
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Norm
Dodge Dakota
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11/12/2002
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Sorry Charlie,
We're talking micron-sized iron & steel particles that are smaller than your oil filter's paper filter element can filter out or trap. Most ordinary oil filter manufacturers claim their oil filter can filter out particles down to 15 to 20 microns. A strong heat-treated neodymium magnet attached to an ordinary spin-on oil filter can trap just about any micron-size iron & steel particles your engine can produce.....Whether it's 50 microns or 1 micron....the magnet can trap it.
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Don
Dodge Dakota
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11/26/2002
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Yea, I agree with Norm. I used a magnet on my Dodge's oil filter and cut it open after 3,000 miles and guess what?....Lots of metal particles. I'm a believer.
Don
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Magsize
Dodge Dakota
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11/27/2002
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I put two on each side of my johnson....boy does my girlfriend like it now!
I say "YEAH" to magnets, wherever you want to put them.
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
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11/28/2002
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I still do not belive that these magnets are catching anything other then what the filter already trapped inside the can. I have a factory magnetic drain plug in my pan and in my Diff.'s and trany and t/case. In my Trany,T/case, and Diff.'s I see a metal particles on the drain plugs because their is no filter to catch the wear metal. On my crankcase drain plug I seldom see anything at all on it and what little is caught is such a thin film and very little. Iwould want to see hard research buy a third party demenstrateing an improvment in durability due to magnets. I would also want the particles caught to be measured to see if they were indeed smaller then what the filter media could have caught. So far all I have seen is marketing hype and no hard science. Ib we listen to marketing hype we would all have bodies like a greek adonis and we would only need the AB Energizer and some magic Fat trapper pill!! While I belive that magnets can help in an enviroment that does not have a filter I am very doubtful of their effectiveness in prolonging engine life.
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Steve Doty
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11/28/2002
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Attach a small round magnet on the inside of your new oil filter on the perforated metal screen the next time you change your oil......Using the best synthetic motor oil. I've been doing this with a magnet for several years now on my cars and eveytime I change then oil, I pull the small magnet out of the oil filter and it's covered, and I mean covered with a pile of iron and steel particles....That's my hard evidence dude.
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
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11/29/2002
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That still does not address my question. How do you know that it is not just holding the material already caught by the filter to the side of the canister??? If you realy wanted to test this you should use a magnetic drain plug. If you catch alot of metal on it you have a reliable indacator. Then you would know that it is not catching material already caught by the filter. If it can not be independantly verified and replicated by different groups under the same test conditions then it is snake oil!! I think I might need to contact the FTC on this one and see what the feds have to say!!!!
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Sam doty
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11/29/2002
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If you attach a small round magnet, preferably a heat-treated magnet on the steel perforated screen on the inside of the oil filter, you will trap the iron & steel particles that have already passed through the filter element.....So if you can see a bunch of metal particles on that magnet after an oil change, doesn't that tell you something? A magnetic drain plug is "not" strategical located in an oil flow area. In fact, a magnetic drain plug will only catch a small fraction of the iron & steel particles that are present in the engine oil.....
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
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11/30/2002
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Seeing how the drain plug is normaly at the engins lowest point it is stratigicly located. Heavy particles should always settle to the lowest point. The oil pan has the most turbulance so any an all partilis should have the pass through that are repeatedly. Once the oil leaves the pan it can take a different path each time through the system. The plug is the best place. Sludge will also settle in the pan more then any other place in the engine. Gravity always pulls particles to the lowest point. I would never put a screen or magnet inside my oil filter. I will not tamper with anything internal to the filter. A magnet will not filter out carbon. You could have a gallon of carbon in your oil buy the time you change it. The carbon is a huge source of abrasive material much more so then metal wear. A bypass filter system will catch the metal, water, carbon...... A magnet might only catch the metal.
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Cheezeit
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12/02/2002
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It's interesting to read how somebody who know's very little about engine oil flow dynamics makes a statement that an oil drain plug is located in a great oil flow area.....Give me a break!
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Kinda Limited
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12/02/2002
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If you look up inside of an oil filter you'll see a round metal steel screen with holes in it for the filtered oil to pass thru....Every oil filter I've ever used has one, or am I just stupid?
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AmsoilSponsor
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12/02/2002
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I do not have "first hand knowledge" of the benefits of using (or not using) Oil Filter Magnets. However, some of the people I know in the industry have opened some filters with magnets on them and found metal "dust" on the insides. It certainly cannot hurt anything ... AND for those operating on a "shoestring budget" ... if you have any old dead computer hard drives you can open them and remove very powerful magnets for free!
One of my customers has been using a product called "Bear Straps" for years. Its just a rubber strap filled with powerful magnets that straps to the oil filter. He has informed me that he cut them open and found a surprising amount of "very fine, dust-like" debris in them! I don't know the condition of his engines, etc., or why there would be a "suprising amount of "dust-like debris". It has been my opinion that any particles that are not trapped by the filter would be held in suspense in the oil and eliminated with the oil change.
That being said, it might be a good idea for someone on this site to TEST oil filter magnets and let us know the results.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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