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Talking to a few Chevy friends of mine, and I was giving them sh!t about the new SRT-10. They brought up the GMC Syclone... saying IT was the fastest truck EVER... What do you think?? Obviously most of you are going to say "The Dodge" because this is a dodge board... But to those that have an opinion with a little to back it up, please reply. I remember them to be pretty fast, but faster then the SRT~10? What do you guys think?
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QUADMAN
Dodge Dakota
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3/26/2002
18:29:05
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The only problem I think the SRT 10 will have is traction. If you can hook all those ponies up the syclone has no chance. Your talking about a truck with 300 or so odd hp compared to one that if memory serves me correct is pushing close to 5, those horses are all motor. I still think the dodge has it hands down and that's not cause I'm a dodge man. The dodge is just gonna have alot of meat on the bone! We havn't even talked about putting a super charger on it yet! Oh my goodness! Vapors, pure vapors!
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moparjoe20
Dodge Dakota
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3/26/2002
18:33:38
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
That the funniest S@#+ I've heard all week! there isn't even a comparision, granted the Syclone has AWD but it's only pushing something like 250hp and the dodge is over 500hp , if they come back with something like the 4.3 can be tweaked better then just put a set of slicks on the ram and it will put the S-15 in it's place.One of my friend's has a Syclone and it pisses him off when I call it an S-15. The only time the Syclone might have a chance is if they are racing in the snow!!
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
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3/26/2002
18:41:04
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I guess it depends on your perspective..... Since the SRT-10 isn't really out yet, nobody has seen it go down the track. We all know what times Dodge said it will run, but how much of it is marketing hype? There have been some terribly quick Syclones go down the track, but most of them are modded by now. How quick were they supposed to be when stock?
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QUADMAN
Dodge Dakota
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3/26/2002
18:58:03
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Well I think they will smoke the hell out of the syclone too but as Duner pointed out we don't know! I just don't wanna be standing around looking like a shmuck if the thing were to come out detuned. That's why my post was conservative!
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SinCity R/T
Dodge Dakota
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3/26/2002
19:05:04
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Information from the SyTy website:
280bhp@4400rpm HP
350lb-ft@3600 Torque
4.3L V6 Turbocharged
4-Spd Automatic Transmission, 3.42 gears
Full-Time AWD
"stock Syclones will run from 13.4 to 14.3 in the 1/4 mile, depending on the day's weather and the tuning of the vehicle"
Weight est. 3500lbs
Basing these numbers off of the speculated numbers posted by Dodge, the SRT-10 will have at least a .5 second advantage in the quarter-mile.
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92dakotahd
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3/26/2002
20:23:22
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Wasn't there a pic on here of a guy with a converted Dak 4-cyl to viper v-10 with very few mods to the drive train. Stock rims(195s?) and probably an open rearend running low 13s with horrible traction problems. If the SRT-10 comes with limited slip and some wider rubber it'll be the winner hands down. But like a few have said it won't be for sure until they run 'em both. The numbers say that a vette should be a Lightening easy but when they tried it was VERY close if I remember right.
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
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3/26/2002
20:35:18
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I'd say a stock Lightning would take a stock Syclone pretty easilly on the same day (Unless it was raining or something) so the Lighting is already the fastest truck ever. The new SRT ram is supposed to be in the 12's so I would say neither even has a prayer against it. I'd say thats not marketing hype as they usually go conservative on such things. (rember the cobra HP marketing nightmare?) Just imagine a Dakota with 1000 extra pounds but twice the HP of the R/T and a manual, I think high 12's are very possible.
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R Middleton
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3/26/2002
22:16:33
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I'm pretty sure the Syclone got the nik "Fastest Ever" on the salt not at the strip. I'm guessing the SRT-10 might need a rearend swap. but who knows.
Middy.
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5pnt9ltrluv
R/T
3/26/2002
22:46:26
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Wider tires for the SRT-10??? it already is gonna come with 24 inch wheels and I think (i might be wrong though) 15 or 16 inch wide tires. um, i think that would be plenty wide enough.
2002 Atlantic Blue R/T
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92dakotahd
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3/27/2002
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5pnt9ltrluv, if your responding to my post I think there has been a misunderstanding, a very minor one but one none the less. When i said it would get some wider rubber I was refering to wider in comparison to the converted dak that if it's not changed since my truck came out(92) the daks with it's particular wheels sport tires with a 195 width. The SRT-10 will definitely have some wider rubber, 24 inch rims would look silly with any less width than 12-14".
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5pnt9ltrluv
R/T
3/27/2002
00:04:48
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yes, I indeed did. Sorry bout that ;)
Kris
2002 Atlantic Blue R/T
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2002
09:04:27
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Where a Syclone would still take the SRT-10 and Lightning is in the 0-60 times. I've seen the Syclones tested in the high 4 second range. That little bastard is a holeshot monster. However by the end of the quarter mile it starts to drop off the the SRT-10 and Lightning would blow past it easily.
Remind anyone of a WRX w/ more power? :)
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Ctdak
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3/27/2002
10:50:29
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I think that a highly modified Syclone would beat a SRT-10, because I've seen them run very low 11's on 93 octane. I think it was almost 600hp. It's all in the turbo.
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nuckenfuts
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2002
11:18:18
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hahah. WRX.RIIIIGHT!!! go to the ricer forum.
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5pnt9ltrluv
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3/27/2002
11:33:44
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Well, yeah a highly modified syclome would take the SRT-10, hell a highly modified riding lawn mower could do that (i've seen 12 second riding lawn mowers, that's why rednecks are cool), but if you put them head to head straight from the factory, SRT-10 would win hands down.
2002 Atlantic Blue R/T
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2002
11:58:37
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nuckenfuts: if you were paying attention, you'd notice that I'm comparing the acceleration charactaristics of the Syclone w/ the WRX (both AWD+turbos, go figure)
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Tom Slick
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3/27/2002
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A factory Syclone would take a factory Ram SRT-10 from 0-60, but the Ram SRT-10 would beat the Syclone in the quarter mile.
There is no replacement for displacement!
Tom "Slick"
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2002
12:41:52
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Actually, I have to agree with Duner. There's nothing going on here but a whole lot of guessing. It's nothing but guessing due to two distinct circumstances:
1. Dodge only has one SRT-10 that I've seen. It's the one that drove across a stage (indoors) at that auto show. Suddenly everybody's going nuts over a truck that Daimler might build. A couple of years ago, there was a Charger concept that was supposed to have a 4.7L motor and a 5-spd stick to go with the swoopy 4-dr design. Where's that thing?
2. I think you will be very hard-pressed to find a Syclone owner who has managed to keep his 11 year old Syclone comletely stock and NOW wants to race a new Ram to prove a point. I'm betting that after 11 years of keeping it stock, he's probably considering it pretty much a collectible and there won't be much racing in its future.
So, to sum up.... does anyone remember all the hype that surrounded the release of the Dakota R/T? It was the next street sweeper that NOBODY would be able to touch. Then Ford produced their Lightning. Oooops.
Until Dodge builds the dam thing and it proves to be a hella-fast truck, I ain't bettin no money on races based on some PR magazine hype.
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nuckenfuts
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2002
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"BRAVO"!~extremely well thought out reply to a, for the most part feiry-tale sleeper.Thank you for clearing up this issue Alex.
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2002
13:23:34
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Just glad to be of service, there, buddy.
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92dakotahd
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3/27/2002
13:49:47
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This may be some far-fetched thinking but I think DC has a couple of the SRT-10, in the article I downloaded and some of the pics I saw on the net, I noticed several differences. There's a pic of one being tested and it has smaller wheels and in looking at a few pictures there were several noticeable interior differences. I would think that DC would get at least a handful out before testing to make sure they didn't wreck there one and only prototype. As was a major concern of the Viper GTS when it paced the 500 a few years back and still had the RT/10 to compare. And with the differences you can only tear it apart so many times to make "little" changes before it's harder and harder to put it back together.
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QUADMAN
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2002
15:29:12
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This is no maybe. The srt 10 is going to be made. They will be ready for sales by the end of 2003 as 2004 models. This is what DC said and is also what a very rich dealer here in town says also cause he has an order for one himself. When the viper was just a myth he did the same thing. He had one before the dealerships here even had any to sell. He went to the detroit show and came back with a smile. He also said to expect something big for the daks. He said that so far all he heard were rumors but that something is definately in the works.
How come everytime someone posts about what car will beat what stock, someone always has to jump in with the modded sh!t! The srt will happen but what it will do remains to be seen.
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2002
15:48:33
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A Yugo w/ a few mods can whoop up a Vespa after the 1/8th mile! :D
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2002
16:12:01
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The reason we always jump in with the "modded sh!t" is because everybody else jumps in with posts like some race between an alleged 500 hp 1/2-ton versus an 11-yr old turbo all-wheel-drive Chevy. Stock vs. Stock.
Who cares???
Sure, a stock V-8 Dakota will beat a stock V-6 Dakota, but what's the point?
All I ever see on this site is a bunch of what-if races. A bunch of chest-beating and crotch grabbing about how so&so car will PROBABLY beat another car. Well, that's great. Let's see it happen in real life.
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QUADMAN
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2002
16:28:38
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I agree, the post was stupid from the start, but we, and I include myself, make it even worse by adding the modded crap. I guess you took what I said a bit personally but really wasn't aiming my post at you. I still don't understand why anti-dodge idiots come here to talk about their crap. I guess it gets old after a while talking to the same guys about what stickers they bought this week!
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2002
16:42:40
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I know you weren't flaming me....
I just hang out at the track a LOT and whenever some guy comes up talking about his buddy's fast car, our stock answer is always "Hey, that's great. Where is it?"
Usually, he didn't show up that night, or he's got it apart in his garage, or some silly crap.
I just get tired of the "can I beat this car" and "who will win stock vs stock" posts.
Guess I shouldn't even respond........
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Hersbird
Dodge Dakota
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3/27/2002
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There is definately a SRT that has been driven hard. Look at the current "Mopar Action" and it's writeup on the SRT-10. It is outdoors and on a test track. The main difference between it and the show truck is it looks like it has 20" wheels not the 24" the show truck had (the 20's look better IMO). I'm sure they ran this thing a couple of times down the 1/4 mile, you think these guys would bolt this thing together, have it at a complete road test track, and not put a clock on it? I also imagine they have pretty accurate computer models that take into account the amount of bug guts on the windshield when estimating a time. They also didn't announce it as a concept, they said it was a production model. They just yesterday did that with the GT Cruiser and everybody has believed in that for the last 6 months. The SRT is coming, and it will be the fastest easily, until they put a 5.7 Hemi and a 5 speed manual in the Dakota hopefully!
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QUADMAN
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3/27/2002
21:58:49
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Yeah, I think the 24's were just for the show. I hope so anyways.
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alex
Dodge Dakota
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3/28/2002
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Hey that's great! Where is it???
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QuickRacing
Dodge Dakota
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3/29/2002
10:39:06
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~ Wow... I didn't realize this post could get people so bent. It was a simple question of opinion.. No one really knows what the out come would be, because it's never been done. We realize that, (but thanks for pointing it out again and again!)I just wanted to get your guys opinion or guess on the out come. Christ... didn't realize it was such a problem....
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