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Bluethunder
Dodge Dakota
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3/21/2002
12:49:46
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Well, most people (including myself) have been under the impression that this white foamy stuff is only collecting in the filler neck. Well, today after changing my oil, I let it run for a couple of minutes..and checked the oil level.....sure enough, there was with foammy stuff mixed in with the oil on my dipstick...
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Glynn
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3/21/2002
14:16:17
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Hey, I sent a letter to the Lemon Aid guy, Phil ?. He told me to right a letter to DC stating that I will hold them responsible for all repairs to my truck after the warrenty expires due to the white foam. I also attached a note to the service survey DC sent me with the same. I don't know what else we can do. QC 4.7l 4X4
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Art
Dodge Dakota
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3/21/2002
20:24:21
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That filler neck is really p**sin me off,I did the same,wrote a letter,filled complaints,showed the dealer,took sample and pics and will continue to do so but you know what there own stupidity is gonna cause them alot of greif in the end so now I will not clean it anymore, I go to the dealer and report water in my oil, I have 3 documented reports now,they dont wanna buck up a couple dollars for a new designed valve cover now just wait in a few years when they will be flipin the bill for new engines,it`s too bad they are ruining a great engine
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Bruce P.
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3/21/2002
22:04:33
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All engines produce this oil-water emulsion. The 4.7L V8 is just very efficent at collecting it in the filler neck due to several factors.
These include
* PCV valve located on filler neck concentrates all the gunk right there.
* Cold air blast from fan promotes condensation fallout.
I was one of the first people to "complain" about this problem with the 4.7L V8 in October of 1999.
As a result, a redesign of the oilcap and the addition of a baffle was implemented.
They also issued this bulletin:
http://www.geocities.com/natedak2k/Oil_cond_TSB.jpg
* It has been shown that running synthetic oil greatly improves the situation.
* Also running the engine HOT at least once a month helps the PCV system to remove this gunk. * Also occasionally pull the baffle out and clean the filler neck with a rag.
* Keep the PCV valve clean!
* Putting insulation on the filler neck would also improve the situation. (the idea is to reduce the loss of heat from the vapors off of the oil pan... try one of the "beer can insulators" upside down and trim it where required with a blade.)
Puttin a oil-fill on the hi-tech magnesium valve covers is NOT a good idea. It would NOT improve the situation. At best, it would HIDE the gunk where you could not access it to clean it out.
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TJ
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3/21/2002
22:15:11
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Noticed the foam only twice and both of those were dealer oil changes changed to castrol at 6K and havnt seen the problem again running close to 16K now. Now if i could just find a cure for the dang rotors.
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handi2
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3/21/2002
22:24:05
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TJ,
Castrol synthetic or regular..?
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CW
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3/21/2002
22:47:58
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I would be willing to bet that a redesign of the breather system would do it. All that needs to be done is a relocate of the PCV intake from the filler cap to the valve cover.
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Art
Dodge Dakota
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3/22/2002
01:56:58
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No kidding CW,I and many other people have suggested this to my dealer,they just shrug and say cant do nothing till DC says so.Bruce all engines do this very very little tho,not to this extreme,the baffle does nothing to fix the problem and yes I use mobil-1 synth oil,anyway I dont care anymore I will just keep reporting water in my oil,they like documentation so I just keep documenting it
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Bluethunder
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3/22/2002
13:19:30
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As I said in my original post, it isnt just in the filler neck, its down in the oil pan too...It was on the dipstick!
I have just under 10,000 miles..been running Mobil 1 synth since 850 miles...prob is still there
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alex
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3/22/2002
14:12:19
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I just quit looking under the filler cap. That way i don't really notice it and I just keep driving.
BTW, I've got 40,000 mi and 30,000 of that is on Mobil 1 5w50 synth.
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CW
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3/22/2002
14:28:29
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It is more of a eye sore than anything.
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kawzx7
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3/22/2002
14:50:47
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Hey Bruce P.:
How do I get the baffle off without destroying anything? Does it just pop out? I will probably take a look in there soon. Any help is appreciated.
Thanks
Chris
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Bluethunder
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3/22/2002
15:32:17
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It just pulls out...You need to remove it to add oil anyway
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Bruce P
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3/22/2002
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The intent of the "baffle" is direct the condensation away from the PCV valve and twards the center to drip back into the filler neck. (Without it, the entire filler neck would eventually become coated and the PCV valve would plug up... I know... I have seen it.)
You do not have to remove the baffle to add oil. The oil just flows past the the "fins" into the engine.
Do not forget that ALL of the moisture that is ending up in the filler neck is coming thru the air filter and into the PCV intake hose. (that small hose that connects between the TB and the air filter)
A "cold air" intake system with a open "K&N" filter will tend to suck in MUCH more moisture.
You could put one of those PCV air filters on that little hose to suck dryer air into the crankcase.
QUESTION: For those of you that seem to have a bad case of the "froth" in the filler neck. What kind of air-filter system are you running?
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Art
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3/22/2002
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Stock air cleaner setup and CW you sound just like the other so callled techs at the dealer,"it`s no big deal " LOL ,I guess its no big deal to mix 2 table spoons of water with each litre of oil I add then,RIGHT??
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CW
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3/22/2002
20:11:58
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Mine already has a separate filter for the PCV system doesn't make a difference.
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Crazy Bob
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3/22/2002
20:57:51
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New Hemi has it on the valve cover,do you think they got message.
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scat pack
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3/23/2002
10:49:48
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Seems like cold air system would only suck in more moisture if its raining. Warm air will hold more moisture than cold air.
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