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sandman
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I have a 2001 Dak QC 4x4 Loaded!!! My Dad bought my mother a Toyota Tundra 4x4 Access Cab today. I took it for a test drive today. I thought I would share the results. Pro's: 1) It's engine runs alot smoother and quiter then my 4.7. 2) There is alot more space under the hood for access. 3) The breaks are much better then those on the Dodge QC. 4) It rides much smoother and does not have as much bump steer as my QC. 5) The fit and finish is wounderful. 6) It has alot more space in the bed. 7)It came with a bedliner and endgate protector's. The Con's: 1)They paid about $5000.00 more for it then my Dodge. 2) It does not have as much space in the cabin area as my dodge QC. 3) The steering is a bit vague(sp) especialy at very slow speeds. 4) It is an acess cab so you have to open the front doors before you can open the 3/4 sive doors to acess the rear. It is not broken yet so I did not get on it for performance numbers.
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blueballs
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We have two of them for work trucks. It is a nice combo of big and small. The suck at pulling.
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CW
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$5000 more than a quad cab and only the space of a extended cab. Know which one I would buy. BTW sandman do you ever have anything good to say about a Dakota?
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Chris W
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Yeah, but they will more than get the 5000.00$ back by not having to constantly be fixing something, and actually getting to enjoy their truck long after its paid for!
Other than being a little boring, the Tundra is a great truck! as a matter of fact the only people I hear saying bad things about it are the people on this forum. everyone else seems to love it.
I test drove one many times , and am very close to choosing one over the Dak cuz Daks are cool trucks but SO unreliable.
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JimB
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I remember test driving a 1974 AMC Hornet. Wonderful. Man, everything smells and works great new.
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sandman
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Well in all fairness it is awful close to our quad cabs in space and they do have a much more usable bed. I had a problem with the price and the slightly smaller interior as well. This is why I have a Dakota and not a Tundra.I realy hope that my decision to buy American does not bite my in the A$$ because I can not aford to buy new vechiles every 4-5 years!!! I realy need to get 10 years minimum out of a vechile with out any powertrain failures. My Dad and Mom have owned 10 toyota trucks and a few cars since he got rid of his 1970 Dart Swinger 340 TA with duel hood scoops. We have never had to take a single vechile to the dealer for a recall or service! We have never had to do anything other than change the plugs, wires, cap, distrubutor rotor, battery and fluids. We have never had to change the brake pads more then once in 200,000 miles. We have one 82 toyota that everyone in the family and alot of friends have learned to drive on and it's factory clutch lasted from 1982-1998. This was the car that all of the cousin passed from cousin to cousin it has been hammered on and abused.My grand partents left it in 1st gear and towed it behing their motor home at 70mph. It got so hot that the belts and hoses melted off. The replaced the belts and hoses and it has been going strong. They also used it to hual rocks and bolders for their rock guarden. This 82 Toyota is what my dad drives to work. It is still going strong and does not burn any oil. Last year we replaced the struts for a second time and the factory radiator had to be replaced. I towed my Toyota 4Runer to the back of our property for storage once with it. This not bad for a car the size of a geo metro. So as long as this Dakota holds up like all of these Toyota's then I will keep buying Dodges. Durability talks and bullsh*t starts nickle and dimeing you after about 5 years!
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Chris W
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I dont think youre Dak is gonna last ten years, but if you have lots of money and time to maintain it , you never know.
As far as American made, the Tundra IS made by American hands. The Toyota plant that turned that truck out is keeping a lot of Americans employed.
My Dakota is 7 years old with 123,000miles. I love it. but it has cost me a LOT of money to keep it running great.
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CW
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I do think that Toyotas are good vehicles but I am gettin tired of the toy lovers crapping on dakotas. The only thing I don't like about a toyota is the price. I could have myself a supercharger for the difference in price.
Case 1: My Dad had a 86 dodge 1/2 ton drove it until it had 120,000 miles on it. Only changed a water pump. The he turned it into a bale hauling truck. It carried bales for 2 years and it had chains on it almost all the time. Still no break down still hasn't had any fluids changed except for oil. Then I took it over drove it to about 150,000 hauling wood and using as a daily driver. Alternator finaly went out at 140,000. I sold it to the next door neibour who drove it to about 180,000. Still no breakdowns. Thats the last I saw of it.
Case 2: 1987 dodge 1/2 ton used as daily driver to about 100,000. Hauling various farm goods including 3000 lbs of grain once a month. Sold to my Aunt. Used to haul wood to camp grounds to sell started many many times each day as wood delivered to camp sites. Now has 190,000 mi and I had to replace a battery cable this summer and a set of break rotors. From her teenage daughter wondering what all that screeching sound was but kept driving anyways. Still has all tha original fluids.
That is two of the resons I drive dodge. I am on my second dakota and if the second one treats me as good as the first there will be a third as well.
Sorry if I messed up your thread with a pissing contest.
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kevster
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I am a firm believer that your vehicle is as good as you maintain it. I have always bought new, and I have had alot of trucks, cars, some imports also. but i have never had any major probs. I keep them serviced and take care of them, dont abuse them by doing smoke shows,hard braking, off road hammering abuse. Dont get me wrong I wind up my 4.7 4X2 Dak,and get on it time to time, (mexican tune up) but this wont hurt her. I do believe that Japanese trucks,cars last longer,do to a more strict Quality Control at the assembly plants..and there Engineering. I work for Boeing Co. 22YRS I have been involved in Lean Manufacturing with the Japanese, and I see how they are in the way they think and what they demand is most high. All in all the Dodge is a great product just service it and enjoy it. if it aint broke dont fix it..
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sandman
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kevster I agree with your statement. To CW I have to say that anything less then 300,000 miles between engine overhauls is unacceptable. If the engine does not last 300,000 then the enginiers who designed it should be fired. 120,000 miles is just nicely broke-in within the import world.P.S. I was not trying to down grade Dodge. I was thinking that since I own a 2001 Dakota Quad Cab and not a Toyota Tundra that my evaluation would be alot less biased towards Toyota then those who do not own a Dodge product! If you read my post you will see that I sited pro's and con's!! I give credit were credit is due and I am not brand loyal or I would not have a Dodge. I could have bought another brand of American made truck with an employee discount but bought a Dodge instead.
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CW
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It is just that you come across very negative. I have heard very little in the way of praise when it comes to anything other than imports from you. I know dodge has probably one of the best v-8s in the business. I know this because I work on them all the time and very rarely touch the engine. 46re trnsmissions well something deffinatally needs to be done there.
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Art
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When I bought my 01 dak 4x4 ,I drove every truck out there and they all had some good and bad but the dak is in a class by itself it just felt better to me and it is the only perfect size truck for me aswell,my truck has its b-day next week 1 year no probs at all not even any of the glitches I see on here.As far as toyotas,I worked at a yota dealership for 2 years and we werent open for nothin,every vehicle breaks down you can count on that,its all good but the Dak is sweet
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sandman
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I am hard on American made products because I have high standards. It pi$$'s me off that I have had nothing but trouble with every American made car or Truck I have owned!!!! I have never had a lick of trouble with the imports. It is odd that we taught them everything they know about management and manufactureing and that they have to import all of their raw material yet they still make a better product!!!! We as Americans ought to be building the best darn vechile on the planet!! I give credit where credit is due and do not candy coat a thing. Just so you kow the Tundra is 100% American made!! I am not the only person on this board that thinks that brakes should not warp, paint should be free of contaminent, axles centered and the transmission should not leak or go bad at 36,000 miles, the engine should not stall and need reprograming every couple of mounths. Yesterday I found out that some knuckle Head in Warren Mi hooked up my HVAC system wrong. The indications on my control head do not correspond to the actual air vents activated by the control. They are all shifted one to the left. I have to push the top portion of my dash back into place every week or so. I think that my axle might be shifted a little to the right. I am also not impressed with the factory paint job.I have 10,000 miles on this truck and I think that the rack is leaking! I realy think that I am usualy pretty generious toward Dodge all things considered. If you are waiting for me to proclaim that my Dodge Quad Cab is the epitomy of build quality and over engieniering you will probably be waiting a long time. I like my Quad Cab and it was a good value at the time but only time will tell if it is a piece of $hit or a diamond in the ruff. Daimler has alot to prove. P.S. Dodges are no longer domestic!!! Daimler is GERMAN not AMERICAN. So those of use with newer Dodges are driveing a Germany truck!
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CW
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I guess I am just tired of hearing nothing but bad things from you. If you want ot be negative all the time go ahead. BTW I am not at all impressed with the paint on my truck. But little things like a small off set in the box not the axle doesn't bother me. I will be damned if I am going to pay 5000+ more for a truck with a perfect body. I am not a Toyota fan but I don't point out all their shortcomings every oportunity. That is all I have to say I am done for good with this thread.
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DeaPee
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Everyone who owns a Dakota and has problems with it thinks it's the Dakota that gives them problems. Go to carreview.com and check out all other 2000 + trucks. 1 out of every 4 reviewers for every make and model have something bad to say -- F-150's, Rangers, s-10's, Silverados, and even the legendary tacoma and tundras.
They have tranny's in $35,000 Silverados being replaced every 20,000 miles... engines being swapped every 35,000 miles in s-10's... Toyotas leaking every time it rains and ball joints being replaced every 10,000 miles.
Trucks just aren't what they used to be.
The only vehicle I ever owned that was reliable was my 89 Toyota Pickup that I bought used for $3,000 and drove HARD for 2 years. That thing was in the shop once in those two years and that was for inspection. And it wasn't nice because it was a Toyota, it was nice because it was an 89.
Furthermore, the reason Dodge has a bad reputation is because their trucks haven't changed. They've always been making them at the quality that every dealer is making them today. Which is the reason we don't see many 87 Daks out there. We see Fords, Toyotas, and Chevy's though. But I guarantee in 15 years, we will nearly crap our pants when we see a 2002 truck on the road... but we will still see those 1990 Fords and Toyotas trucking along.
Maybe that's why a lot of people lease (25% of all new car purchases are leases) -- in 3 years, they get a new one -- just enough time for the warranty to expire.
My truck's in the shop right now, has been for the past week. I'm nice though, I left the choice up to the dealer... I told the service advisor that he could either set me up with a rental or the dealer could reimberse (SP?) me for my missed work. Of course they gave me a 02 free of charge.
- Dave
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Chris W
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Sorry about the lousy spelling.----in a rush.
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Gary F
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Chris W... your spelling is pretty good compared to Sandman. I wonder if he knows that "vehicle" is not spelled "vechile"?
I went out to check my "Germany" truck and you know what? The Germans have moved to Warren, MI! I wonder if they know that?
Personally I've always owned American built cars and trucks and rarely had any troubles with them. Guess I've been lucky compared to everyone else.
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Chris W
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Look ya'll I damn sure aint in no shape to be purchasing a new vehicle right now, Hell, by the time I get around to getting something new it'll probably hover and run on bottled farts! What I'm trying to say is i dont have any type of alliegance to Toyota or any other manufacturer for that matter. [ not untill they start paying me that is;-}] But I do think that we should give credit where credit is due.
Weve had a pretty lively debate so far and ruffled a few feathers, but i think i'm gonna go with CW on this and not argue about the Tundra Dakota thing.
CW, if youre still looking at this thread--we know you are:-} I own a 95 3.9 5spd CC.and dont EVER wanna trade it in!
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Knobbyman
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Mine's bigger then yours is... NA NA NA NA!!
Does anyone really care? We all did research on Toyotas and Dakotas.. We all chose Dakotas..
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JimB
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Can't find a "Made in Germany" sticker anywhere on the damned thing. Where should I be looking for this??
Sandman - are you the same "Sandman" that frequently posts in Dodge Truck newsgroups as well? Just curious - Jim
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Chris Smith
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I guess its just me, but there is something I dont like about the MID/Fullsized Trucks Made by Toyota, V8 or not.
I have a friend that has a Tundra, I felt as though I was in a Tundra. I also felt as though I was in a boat.
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BigDs02Dak
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I worked for Toyota for about 2 years and was around when the Tundra first came back replacing the T100. I was actually impressed with the job that Toyota had done on the Tundra. Seeing that this was the first truck from Toyota to have a V8, when the only vehical to have a V8 from Toyota was the Landcruiser (which uses the same 4.7 V8)
I own a 2002 4.7 4x2 CC and love it. But I dont think that I would be able to bash Toyota. Although yes the Dakota is a little louder, but I like it. The Tundra actually has a higher output of power, if you want to compare the two. 240hp on the Tundra and 230hp on the Dakota (In California), both having a 4.7L V8.
As for the part about the Tundra having more room in the bed... Of course it does, it's a Full-size truck. The Dakota is still classified as a Mid-sized.
I was actually considering purchasing a Tundra while I was looking for a new truck. The reason that I didn't was the fact that it is a "Full-size", cost more, and looks to much like the T100.
like I said. I love my Dakota so far, but I would also have no problem driving the Tundra.
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andrew
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Boy, all this negative talk about new trucks, domestic or import, has really got me down. I guess after my 93 Dakota dies, I will just go with what I have been cosidering ever since I started to work under the hood of my dak. I will probably go with an older, pre-smog(up to 72) pick-up. Might get an old chevy, ford, or if I am lucky, a Dodge with 440. At least when something goes wrong on one of those, I wont have tons of stuff to look at like trouble codes, bad sensors, wiring harnesses from hell, computers to worry about. Plus, have you guys looked under the hood of one of those old cars or trucks? You could curl up and take a nap under there even with a big block stuffed in there. You dont have a million wires criss-crossing the engine compartment. Just some vacume lines. Not to mention, I will probably be paying less when a part breaks on that old vehicle.
Sorry to get off the subject.
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Chris W
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Thats funny, most people think its too small. Oh, wait! thats cause people compare it to a full size 2500 Chevy or Ram or some other big truck.
But then again, wait! whats that? you think it's too big, Why? you wouldn't be comparing it to a smaller more nimble Dodge Dakota now would you?
Well you see, It may seem like the poor "ferin" made, Jap truck, Toyoter is either too BIG, or too small.
I, for one think the Tundra is just right, said the Papa bear. For the fullsize Tugboats made by the big three are too big. And the almost perfect little dodge Dakota is too small.
Based on the number of Tundras on the Rd, a lot of other folks must like the fit as well.
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Yea... The Tundra's are so quite you can hear the screams of the men that were on the Baatan death march.... my $0.02
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DeaPee
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as Knobbyman once said...
"Does anyone really care? We all did research on Toyotas and Dakotas.. We all chose Dakotas."
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kevster
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Keep in mind that Daimler does not make all the parts to the vehicles, alot are subcontracted out, alot like Boeing... And keep in mind that most trucks are engineered for the equipment they have from the factory, if someone puts a lift on the truck they go bigger wheels,tires, now this cause alot of stress on the bushings, ball joints, springs, which were intended for the smaller wheels & tires. and then you have the ball joints,bushings failure. or adding a turbo, supercharger to the 4.7 motor,, it was not designed for this, it needs a stronger bottom end to take the extra boost and power output. I believe you all get what I am saying, But I still like my Daks alot. :)
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sandman
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Gary I am aware that my spelling is poor. English is my second language. I do poorly with out spell check funtion. If ever you hear me speak you would never be able to tell that I speak anything other then english. I am just too lazy to type my responces in Micro-Soft Word, spell check them and then paste them in this forum. I used to use a dictionary with misspelled words that then cross over to the right spelling. I want to spell everyting phoneticaly. Jim B I do not post in to the news group. I did not say it was made in Germany. Chrysler is owned by Daimler wich is a German company. I still think that it is odd that a Jappanesse name plate would have a Truck that is 100% American Made. It funy because none of the traditionaly American Name Plates are 100% American made!!!!!! It's sad that America will not invest in itself but Japanesse and Germans will. I hear that Mexico and Canada are enjoying all of the work that the former big 3 are sending them!
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sandman
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Gary I am aware that my spelling is poor. English is my second language. I do poorly with out spell check funtion. If ever you hear me speak you would never be able to tell that I speak anything other then english. I am just too lazy to type my responces in Micro-Soft Word, spell check them and then paste them in this forum. I used to use a dictionary with misspelled words that then cross over to the right spelling. I want to spell everyting phoneticaly. Jim B I do not post in to the news group. I did not say it was made in Germany. Chrysler is owned by Daimler wich is a German company. I still think that it is odd that a Jappanesse name plate would have a Truck that is 100% American Made. It funy because none of the traditionaly American Name Plates are 100% American made!!!!!! It's sad that America will not invest in itself but Japanesse and Germans will. I hear that Mexico and Canada are enjoying all of the work that the former big 3 are sending them!
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Gary F
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Sandman you said that you didn't say the Dakota wasn't made in Germany? This is what you wrote.
P.S. Dodges are no longer domestic!!! Daimler is GERMAN not AMERICAN. So those of use with newer Dodges are driveing a Germany truck
What's a Germany truck then?
Still, it's is nice to see a truck like the Tundra, as it only can make the domestics improve their product. Nothing like a little competition to improve the product lines. I still have to wonder how quick a "R/T" version of the Tundra would be. (A TRD version?)
Gary
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JimB
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This thread is getting (yawn...) old.
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Chris W
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Even though I like the Toyota, I still cant help but pronounce the TRD as TuRD.
Am i the only one?
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sandman
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Gary F. If buying a Tundra that is made 100% in America is buying or driveing a Japanesse truck; then driveing a Dodge that is at the most 70% American and owned by a german company is buying German. Where do you think all of chryslers assets went to after the merger? Germany!! Have you noticed that it is not Chrysler Daimler it is Daimler Chrysler!!!! If you think our economy is bad now let BMW, Volkswagen, Toyota and Nissian close their plants here in the USA. I am here to tell you Chrylser, GM and Dodge are not building alot of new plants and hireing alot of new people in the USA!!! I belive that only negative things that I always coment on are brakes, paint and quality controls in general!! I often site various imports as examples of how different things should be done because I have owned them and used to work on them for a liveing. I am not going to lie about the problems my Dodge has.
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Chris W
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BRAVO! BRAVO! Gary F.
you tell it like it is man!
Last time I checked the window sticker on a dodge when I went lot hopping it said 'foreign parts content 75%' All that and still German owned.
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>P.S. Dodges are no longer domestic!!! Daimler is GERMAN not AMERICAN. So those of use with newer Dodges are driveing a Germany truck
Don't I Wish!!! I'd would love to have ANY pickup truck made to MBZ standards. Can't buy one in America. Pickups are the only American made vehicles I buy, but reluctantly.
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Chris W
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Sometimes I get deppressed when I realize that one day I'll have to get a new truck. They definitly dont mak'em like they used to. I think that when my 95 Dak with 123,000 finally goes,-if it goes- I'll just put a new engine in it.
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hmm. Our window stickers say 89% US/Canadian parts content for 2002 this is more than the 85% on my old 99.
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merger not a buyout
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ford to build new plant in st. louis, mo. area! they have aquired the land. no more room to expand at present location.
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Todd
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Had a Toy before my Dak, nice truck if you drive it as a car, but just don't work it hard (was into the engine twice before 100K, and it needed head work again when I sold it at 115K) I maintained it very well but I tow a lot, though seldom over 3500#. Toyota is great at details and finish, I think they just don't yet know how to build a heavy duty light truck.
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sandman
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Ya Toyota is close to hiting the fullsize truck market but not just yet. They need to make it a true fullsize and offer all the cab configurations that dodge and chevy offer. They also need some bigger engines and a good diesel!!!! The Heavy Duty type trucks are in no real danger anytime soon. I did notice though that the engine compartment in my moms Tundra has alot of unused space. I was talking with one of the tech.'s at the dealership and he told me that the current automatic can handle a continueous input of 550lb's of torque. That gives them at least one more engine up from current engine with this same tranny. P.S. Ford is not going to redesign their super duty 350 line. They are going to start useing the Navi-Star light truck line. It surpased their trucks for durability, Noise, Vibration and harshness!
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