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craig
Dodge Dakota
12/17/2001
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Has any one heard of this, and does it work. Water injection into an engine. Check out aqua tune.com they have claims of big mpg and hp increases. Sounds like a recipe for rust in the engine to me.
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conig
Dodge Dakota
12/17/2001
13:46:03
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no rust in the engine as it's supposed to enter as a steam. however you need a real hot engine for it to be of any benifit. water ingection works real well on forced induction. theres not much info on n/a engines though. if the steam cools the aircharge as much as it's supposed to it might work.
lots of mixed results
matt
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macman37
Dodge Dakota
12/19/2001
11:50:35
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Just bringing this up again. It seems too good to be true... Is it?
Can anyone with some real experience (bernd is a good candidate) give us some info on whether this would be a good addition? I would shell out the bucks to buy this if it doesn't kill my truck!
mac
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bernd
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12/19/2001
12:14:56
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Unless you're super/turbo charged, have massive pinging problems (which could be other things), or own an RV...the water injection isn't required on a street driven vehicle.
The reason for the water injection is to cool down the air (which prevents detonation) on Super/Turbocharged vehicles. RV's use it to help out with detonation on inclines (and it's Alcohol/Water injection used on them).
It won't rust anything but again, not required on street driven vehicles. If you want more HP, invest in the standard bolt-ons.
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
Supercharged/Intercooled @ 10# w/Nitrous
14.65 @ 95.01mph
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Boomer
Dodge Dakota
12/19/2001
12:30:48
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I'm not saying that the tests aren't real, because the KC-135 Tanker for the Air Force at on time used water injection for take-offs. It made the air denser which allowed for more thrust. My problem with this is, what happens if the 'steam' fails? Then I'm shooting plain water straight into the cylinder. Which can lead to bent rods, costing lots of $$$. Second, looking at those water lines, they look the same as the one that feeds my icemaker. I know that it cannot take the ambient temp under my hood. Maybe those are just for demos, but I would never use this.
Boomer
And the throttle body spacer is a 'swirling' power maker also.
Who was it that said,"Buy these pills and your car will run on water."?
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todd
Dodge Dakota
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7/21/2003
23:24:52
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I have used a aquatune on my car for 4 yrs, it keeps the engine clean and running like new and brings the octane level up to around 107 on 87 octane so your timing should be advanced 7 to 10 degrees over stock. they also make a pcv limiting valve which increases vacume through the throttle body you really do increace mpg with the system and get better throttle responce. Some of the water is aqualy cracked into hydrogen and oxegen which workes really well and burns super clean the rest is steam and you should know steam engines are almost 50% more powerful. Anyhow please contact me for any info . Todd
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Scott
Dodge Dakota
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7/22/2003
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Boomer, just a note on plastics. Although it may look similar to something on your refrigerator ice maker, it could be all together a different material. There are so many specially compounded plastics that you could not tell by looking. Even a basic ketchup bottle is made from several layers of plastic which all have their purpose, although you would never know by looking at it.
Also, I have a water/alcohol system on my Dakota which runs 9psi using a Vortech supercharger. When I get a good run at boost it lowers the intake temperature by 50 degrees. Typically I run at 150F and it will drop down to 70F. It works without a doubt for supercharged and turbo applications.
Scott
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JosephDunagan
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7/31/2006
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I've run aquatunes on engines ranging from foreign 3.0L/3.2L to Dodge 3.3L to Jeep 4.0s and Chevy 454s:
1) the hydrogen affects all super/turbo/non charged engines greatly
1.1) yes it cleans out carbon
1.2) yes it reduces emissions
1.3) yes it increases torque (even in bad installs at low rpm)
1.4) yes it injects hydrogen that adds extra "spark" to the combustion along with some bang and vaporization of the gas.
1.5) yes it gets good flow (properly installed) at all RPMs on all intake types.
1.6) yes it is well tuned to not waste gallons of water or alcohol like most overkill racing setups
2) I've seen 40-60% fuel economy increases
3) I've seen 454 timing advanced to about 30 degrees with no other modification and no pinging. (slight pinging under full throttle when it was set to about 35 degrees) Without the aquatune, the same engine diesels (runs backwards because of hot spots and a lean running carb) for up to 30 seconds after shutdown no matter where the timing is. - obviously the water injection is sufficient
4) I've seen the oil tempurature drop
5) I've seen the units pay for themselves in 4 months
6) I've seen people misinstall and misadjust them and report bad results
7) I've seen a lot of bad results from competitors, people that know nothing and publications that are owned by oil interests.
8) I've seen people buy them, follow the directions, and have great success with it
It has a 30 day money back guarantee and a 5 year warranty.
There are three products:
Aquatune (for older model cars)
AquatunePlus (for 90's and newer cars)
Aquathrust (for racing and horsepower applications)
Check out http://www.tnhybrid.com for an independent dealer that has adopted the product.
The Dodge engines saw consistent 60%+ mpg gains and you should have seen the looks when rusty my 92 Plymouth Voyager ripped the pavement at a stoplight or took a few more cars than most people try in a passing zone running an aquathrust.
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JosephDunagan
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7/31/2006
11:26:30
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Also, on the rust thing for Craig:
Gasoline is a hydrocarbon
When the hydrogen atoms in gasoline break away from their carbons during combustion (oxidizing with oxygen) then become water vapor.
So all engines are designed for water in the exhaust...
This of course is obvious most during the winter time when visible steam risies from the tailpipe.
:) have a great week everybody
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Question
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7/31/2006
14:56:44
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Won't the injected water just puddle in these cavernous intake manifolds on engines like the 4,7 and 3.7?
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TexasTodd
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7/31/2006
16:15:53
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This post started in 2001!!!!!
What are you digging for? Sales? Why don't stock motors come with it?
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boomer
Dodge Dakota
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7/31/2006
19:22:40
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im not the same boomer, but anyways...
Ive seen water injection in diesels for sure, but never heard of it in a regular gas engine till today. I have some belief that it works now but I would understand that a turbo or supercharged engine would need it more than one normally aspirated. another thing..advancing your timing by 30 degrees? that just sounds crazy to me. I'd have to see to believe. I'll check the site out but like texas todd said, why don't stock motors come with it???
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Dan
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7/31/2006
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My father used a water injection system on a 76 Dodge (318) that we had. Claims here are certainly just a titch (slightly!) more spectacular than what our experience was. : )
I recall that there were some very slight benefits (perhaps) in pinging, and accordingly I am sure a very slight improvement in efficiency. The sole purpose for us ‘experimenting’ with such a system was to attempt and eliminate pinging and ‘run on’ that seemed common back then, without having to back off timing too much. Of course, this was on a motor with inferior induction engineering than today and with systems that were much less calibrated. I also recall there being large swings in the quality of gas that was available and some tanks would ping like crazy while others would provide better performance.
Regardless, this resurrected post certainly brought back memories of installing a water injection system and our first few family road trips testing it! In today’s rising gas costs, a 60% increase in fuel economy would be desirable. I could go from 13 to 20 mpg on my 4.7 quad cab! Sign me up! Haha.
Dan
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Old Dak
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8/01/2006
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Every time there is a spike in the cost of fuel, the water injection comes out in some form. I,ve seen early types on cars from the late 40,s and early 50,s. It works on the idea of a foggy day, in that you mist water into the system and its turned to steam in the comb. chamber. It cools the flame enough to take the ping out of the the ignition and adds to the pressure through the steam expassion. It will NOT turn to Hyd. and O2.
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shatto
Dodge Dakota
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8/01/2006
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Water injection isn't new. My father had it in his WW-II fighter.
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Brandon
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8/01/2006
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WOuld I be able to us this on my semi stock 2003 3.9L? It doesnt have a supercharger but will I still be able to get the same results? thanks in advance
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TURBO
Dodge Dakota
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11/27/2006
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I don't have a truck, but I thought I would share with you my experience with an Aquathrust unit that I purchased for my 90 Mazda Mx6 GT turbo. I purchased it primarily to improve gas mileage, increase power, reduce octane and burn cleaner. With a 30 day money back guarentee all I had to loose I thought was the postage. When it arrived I installed it right away and it started blowing fuses. Called Aguatune and they promptly sent me a replacement, and let me send the old one back after I received the replacement. Very good service. They also are easy to get on the phone and will spend time with you answering any questions you may have. So now I have my working unit installed and it is really difficult to say if it gave me more power as my car is already boosted from a stock boost of 9psi to 15 psi, and is very fast to begin with. So I'll have to pass on this one. The next thing I tryed was to run a lower octane gas from 91 to 87 and see if the car would ping. I run 87 all the time and it will ping if I step on it. The unit did not improve on this. On to the mileage. This car gets consistanly 25 miles to the gallon combined city and highway, And I travel the same route every day to work and it only varies within plus or minus 1 mile to the gallon, and I don't baby it. After installing the Aquathrust I wasn't too concerned that the 1st tankful or so would be much of a change as the engine needs to clean itself out. So I didn't see any change during the 1st two tankfulls. but now I was hoping for some improvement and it never came still the same 25 miles to the gallon and my warantee period was running out. The final straw was when I took the car to emissions and it failed with the unit on. That was it I guess it wasn't going to work on my car. So now I start to read the paperwork and it says there may be a restocking fee. This was never mentioned on the phone when I placed the order. So I carefully packed the unit and sent it back for refund. I called them to see if they received the unit and they said yes they did and they will review and send a refund in 30 days. Why 30 days I don't know. Any way they did send me my refund, but charged me a 10% restocking fee and a 25 dollar shipping and handling fee on top of that. So it cost me about $100 to find out that this unit did not work on my car. I want to give this information to you so that you know the risks going in. The unit may work on your car or truck, but it is going to cost you your time and money to find out.
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boomer
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11/28/2006
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thanks for the info, i was wondering about this since...july it looks like
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John Haggerty
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12/18/2006
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I installed an aquatune unit on 1988 mazda B2200 and got an amazing boost in HP, unfortunately after reapairing water pump another weak hose in water line burst overheating engine and warping heads. Now I have a 2002 subaru forrester. I drilled thru the intake manifold but didn't feel confident to drill all the way thru to the air intake chamber. I,m getting some vacuum pressure at iac chamber. Aquatune unit is running but now I,m getting ping and no HP or mileage increase, if anything it is a little less. Theorectically if I go all the way and install venturi nozzle into intake chamber it should work but I,m getting a little nervous about all the trouble and expense on this vehicle. Does anyone have any thoughts or expericence on this? I,m questioning whether all the hydrogen will be recombined by the time it goes thru the chamber and then distributes from there all the way thru to the cylinders - another 2 feet of travel or so.
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Xeller8
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1/04/2007
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My advice would be to install it the way it's suppose to be installed..ie:the injector nozzle in the intake manifold as close to the throttle body as possible (airflow across the nozzle aids in pulling the charge through) and mount the unit as close to the nozzle as possible to avoid reformation...if it worked on your Mazda it should work on your Subaru...I recently spoke to one of the techs at Aquatune and he said that is one of the biggest mistakes people make when installing these..they look for the easiest way to get vacuum because they are scared to drill a hole in their intake..
I have a feeling that most of these posts that say these units are junk and didn't work were because of poor installation and user error...if these didn't work I don't see how they could have been selling them for several years and continue to sell them.
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Nicky
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5/02/2007
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I work as an administrative assistant for a group of chemical engineers. They've been passing emails about the AquaTune around, because they can't believe that people actually fall for something so ridiculous. The AquaTune is a complete and total scam. Anyone with a background in chemistry will tell you so.
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