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kota on 20s
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12/11/2001
18:38:43
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well i just talked to a guy at the dodge dealer and they said the R/T is now available with the 5speed manual! they are verry rare, but they have sold one already.
im kinda bummed because the only reason i didnt buy the R/T is because it was a auto only truck
Eric
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litlpunisher
GenIII
12/11/2001
18:47:46
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Don't be bummed. A good shifting auto is more consitant and can be just as good as a 5 speed. A 5.2 is not much less than a 360.
98 Dakota
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kota on 20s
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12/11/2001
18:53:17
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yea, i know the 5.2 is not that much less than the 5.9 but i just wanted the biggest engine that dodge put in a truck. i also liked the 17's and suspencion, but i passed it up for the 5.2 with 5speed just because i like to shift as soft or hard as i want when i want. i just wish i could have got the 5.9 with a stick in 98
Eric
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litlpunisher
GenIII
12/11/2001
18:55:09
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It maybe the biggest but I don't think its the better.
98 Dakota
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kota on 20s
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12/11/2001
18:58:46
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just wondering, what is the differance between the 318, 340, and 360? i thought they were pretty much the same thing just with a differant bore and stroke. i have heard the 340 is one of the best engine's to come frome chrystler but why? does it flow better or something?
Eric
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litlpunisher
GenIII
12/11/2001
19:05:01
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318 and 340 have the same bore. 360 bigger bore than 318 less bore than 340. 360 externally balanced. 340 revs some much quicker because of the short stroke. You must of heard of destroking motors. Kind of the same. 340 with its big bore and small stroke just comes up so much quicker. Kinda like your 318, the r/t may take off with its low end torque but once your 318 gets the revs up you'll start pulling on them if not go right by them.
98 Dakota
Bottle fed 340ci
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Duner
Dodge Dakota
12/11/2001
19:20:19
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Sorry.....
More than likely the guy at the dealership is full of it. If they were gonna release a 5-speed in an R/T they would have done it already.
Chalk this one up to wrong information.
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litlpunisher
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12/11/2001
19:26:23
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Duner has a good point if you talked to a salesman they usually don't know the difference from a four banger to a v8. You ask him about a five speed he probably starts counting. R 1 2 D OD. Sounds like five. 5spd r/t havn't heard or seen it.
98 Dakota
Bottle fed 340ci
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kota on 20s
GenIII
12/11/2001
21:27:39
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"318 and 340 have the same bore. 360 bigger bore than 318 less bore than 340."
just wondering, if the 318 and 340 have the same bore, how can the 360 have a bigger bore than a 318 but less bore than a 340? did you mean stroke? that would make sence.
now im glad i got the 318 ;-) thanks litlpunisher.
i myself have'nt seen a 5speed R/T either. someone with a 5speed probably just put some stickers and wheels on it and tried to pass it off.
Eric
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
12/11/2001
22:31:35
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accd. to KBB and Dodge, it doesn't exist stock.
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litlpunisher
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12/11/2001
22:50:11
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Sorry, 318 and 340 have same stoke different bore. Plus it would not be to hard to put a stick behind a 360. May not be from factory.
98 Dakota
Bottle fed 340ci
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kota on 20s
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12/11/2001
23:47:25
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so the 318 will rev even faster than a 340? cool! just wondering, since the pistons are smaller in the 318, could it also rev higher?
thanks for all the info!
Eric
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litlpunisher
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12/11/2001
23:53:17
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Not really. The stroke is the same. Meaning the distance of each stroke is the same. But the cylinder with the bigger bore can compress more which gives a bigger combustion which throws the piston down harder but because it only goes down so far that the nexr cylinder fires quicker than if you had a long stroke like the 360. Causing quiker revs. You get more power on each stroke in the 340 compared to the 318.
98 Dakota
Bottle fed 340ci
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kota on 20s
GenIII
12/12/2001
00:04:24
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Oh i see. so a 408 will rev slower than a 360 (because of the 4" crank) but because of the huge amount of torque, it will make up for it?
im trying to get all of this bore, stoke and engine size figured out. thanks for the help
Eric
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litlpunisher
GenIII
12/12/2001
00:06:45
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LA CHRYSLER Small Blocks
273 "LA" Engine
1964-69 • 3.63" bore x 3.31" stroke
Realizing the need for a lighter V8 engine for use in the smaller vehicles then coming on the scene, Chrysler designed its first "thinwall" small block. Known as the "LA" engine series, the first engine out of the box was the 273. Light and compact, the 273 posed much less of an engineering challenge to fit in the new A-body chassis. While never intended to be a powerhouse, high compression, solid-cammed 4-bbl versions of the 273 did run well in cars like the Barracuda Formula S.
318 "A" Engine
1957-66 • 3.91" bore x 3.31" stroke
Filling the gap between the slant-6 and the early Hemi and later the "B" was the job of the 318 "A" engine. First produced in 1957, the first 318 employed "thickwall" casting techniques that, while very strong, handicapped it with excess weight. It did make decent power, was economical to operate and was reliable as a stone, making it perfect for its use as the base V8 engine.
318 "LA" Engine
1967-and-later • 3.91" bore x 3.31" stroke
Even though physically the 1967 318 "LA" V8 shared little more than bore and stroke dimensions with its "A" engine cousin, the two were identical with respect to their intended use. The "new" 318 was the base V8 powerplant for the entire Chrysler product line. Because of its lowly status, the 318 didn't even receive a 4-bbl carburetor and manifold until 1978, when the 360's setup was borrowed for use on the little workhorse. While the 318's pedigree may not match that of the Hemi, the fact that with a few modifications it's still in production some 30 years later speaks very highly of the engine's capabilities.
340 "LA" Engine
1968-73 • 4.04" bore x 3.31" stroke
The 340 should be considered the "Hemi of the small block family". Why? Simply because the 340 was designed from the outset as a performance engine. Look at the stats: high compression, big valves (2.02 intake, 1.60 exhaust), forged and shot-peened crank and rods, etc. These engines were built to perform well and stay together doing it. A testament to the 340's power potential is the fact that Chrysler installed the beefy A-727 Torqueflite automatic behind it instead of the usual 904, the only small block to receive such an honor. 340 development peaked with the 1970 6-bbl version available only in the limited-edition AAR 'Cuda and T/A Challenger (which were Dodge and Plymouth's entries into the SCCA's Trans-Am road racing series). Considerably underrated at 290 horsepower at 5000 rpm (not coincidentally, Chevy's Z/28 302 and Ford's Boss 302 were also rated at 290 horsepower), by turning it higher, which it was more than willing to do, resulted in much more power. The 6-bbl 340s had beefier blocks with thicker main webs to go along with the forged crank and rods. The cylinder heads were also unique to the 6-bbl engine. Chrysler relocated the intake pushrods, which allowed a much larger intake port opening and thus more flow. The valvetrain was adjustable, and induction chores were handled by three Holley 2-bbls on an aluminum intake manifold. In late 1972, with factory performance nearing an end, the 340 got a cast crankshaft and heads from the 360. But as far as small blocks go, the 340 is legendary.
360 "LA" Engine
1971-present • 4.00" bore x 3.58" stroke
Being the biggest of the small blocks doesn't necessarily mean that it was the best performer. Though only equipped with a 2-bbl and a relatively low compression, the 360 was still able to turn out 255 horsepower (gross rating) in its first year of production. The following two years weren't so kind to the 360 with horsepower levels falling to 175 and 170 respectively. Help did arrive in the form of a 4-bbl carb in 1974 though, and power rose to 245 net horsepower. Interestingly enough, the 360 is still in production, and the latest versions still generate 245 net horsepower. The beauty of the new engine is that through fuel injection and computer controls, this level of power is possible with good fuel mileage and low emissions.
98 Dakota
Bottle fed 340ci
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kota on 20s
GenIII
12/12/2001
00:08:45
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HOLLY INFORMATION BATMAN!!! thanks. looks like i have some reading to do. ;-)
Eric
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
12/12/2001
03:52:42
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The beauty of the new engine is that through fuel injection and computer controls, this level of power is possible with good fuel mileage and low emissions.<----LMAO
Damn, I wish I had good fuel mileage. But I guess when compared to the older stock engines it does get decent gas mileage.
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