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blaze
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
00:30:20
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Hi has any of you people gotten a letter in the mail concerning the fact that your truck does not have to have the brake pressed in order to be shifted out of park(auto of course). I got a letter saying there is gunna be a lawsuit and i can get compensated for this problem. It explains how this problem makes the truck less valuable and is a big saftey risk. I was just wondering if this was for real. I can defiantly see how this could cause alot of problems especially families with small children.
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Broeheem
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12/03/2001
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"I can defiantly see how this could cause alot of problems especially families with small children."
I don't get it. How does one's family status make them more vulnerable than a single person (or a retired couple or anyone else)?
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dak74
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
00:42:34
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TRUE. ONE DAY WHEN I WAS OUTSIDE WORKING IN THE YARD. MY SON GOT IN MY TRUCK AND STARTED PLAYING. WHEN I LATER GOT READY TO LEAVE, I NOTICED THAT MY TRUCK WAS SHIFTED TO PARK. MY SON IS 2 YEARS OLD AND NOT TALL ENOUGH TO REACH THE BRAKE AND SHIFT THE TRUCK OUT OF PARK AT THE SAME TIME. KEEP US POSTE DON ANY DEVELOPMENTS.
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blaze
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
00:44:03
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Everyone is vulernable yes. But when i made that statement i meant that little kids like to pull on things. A small child could put your dak in gear without knowing it and the truck could role off and injuries can occur. I mean i hope that most adults young or old wouldnt be as stupid as to pull down the lever and watch their truck roll down a hill or into another vehicle without simply mashing the break. I really dont see your point of view Broeheem. Maybe you could clarify.
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
00:58:58
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Well, my Dak can't be shifted out of park unless the key is in the on position. I fyou let your kid play in the truck with the keys in the ignition, then you are only asking for a disaster and shoudl be held fully responsible. Why should the auto manufactureres have the play baby sitter for neglective parents??
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DAK74
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
01:08:15
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HSKR YOU MUST HAVE AN OLDER TRUCK SUCH AS A GEN 1 OR A FARMERS RAM FROM THE EARLY 90'S. KEYS DON'T HAVE TO BE IN THE IGNITION TO SHIFT ANY CAR OUT OF PARK. MOST CARS JUST NEED TO HAVE THE BRAKE PRESSED.
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
01:26:12
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Yeah, I gots one of them older '99 R/T farmer editions. My truck has to have the key in the on position for the tranny to be shifted out of park and into gear. Pushing brake pedal makes no difference. Keys in ignition in ON postion is only way my tranny is getting shifted. So once again, I go back to my point that if you are letting your kid play in the vehicle with the keys in the ignition then the parent should be held fully responible. That is just ignorance IMO. ANd if parents get away from that time out BS and start disciplining their kids agian there will be less problems in future. I was never beaten as a child, but I was punished for doing bad stuff. Maybe we shoudl just give the terrorists and Taliban a timeout to think about what they have done instead of fighting them.
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DAK74
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
02:01:02
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I NEVER SAID THE KEYS WERE IN THE IGNITION. ANYONE THAT LEAVES THE KEY IN THE IGNITION WHILE A CHILD WAS IN THE CAR NEEDS TO BE BEAT. BUT I DO SEE YOU HAVE ONE OF THOSE TRUCKS THAT CAN'T PULL ANYTHING HEAVIER THAN A LAWNMOWER.
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kota on 20s
GenIII
12/03/2001
02:10:38
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no that whas the cyclone (it could only haul 500 lbs).
Dak74 i dont see why you are so mad, i see HSKR's point and agree with him 100%
Eric
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bernd
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12/03/2001
02:18:38
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Lawyers....now I know why I hate them.
It's up to the parents to control their kids...not a large corporation. My 2 year old plays in my truck all the time and i'm the one who has the keys. (It's called safety.) As for a grown adult starting the engine without hitting the brake...make sure it's out of gear first. (Common sense).
Lawyers will only raise prices as the corporations have to increase their liability insurance. (Like they didn't have this problem on the older vehicles?!? Hell, I played in my dad's '69 Javelin and it didn't have any of this new hocus-pocus safety stuff...I never was allowed to even touch the keys if I got in the car!
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
02:28:19
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So then dos this lawsuit cover every make and model of vehicle in the history of automobiles that doesn't have this safety feature to keep the kids of negligent parents safe from hurting themselves or others in a vehicle??? Once again, what is the purpose of this lawsuit if you can't put the vehicle in any gear without the keys in ignition in on position?? And if you never said anythign about the keys being in the ignition then you must have one of the GenI daks or old Farmer Rams. Any of the GenIII Dak auto's can't be shifted without he key in the on position. What are you areguing about?? And my truck can tow a hell of a lot more than your truck if it is done properly. Just cause Chrysler had to cover their backs because of stupid owners doesn't mean it can't be done!!! So the decreased towing capacity is another one of those baby sitting things that Daimler/Chrysler had to do because of negligent owners. Don't you just love it!!! If you have a Gen III Dak with an auto trany and it can be shifted OUT of park without key in ignition then there is a problem with YOUR truck, and doesn't affect everyone.
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QUADMAN
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
02:31:50
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HSKR, DAK74 never said his kid had the keys. My truck does it also and it is a 2000 model. Your eyes must have been cloudy when you read the post. After all HSKR stands for:
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HA HA HA............
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kota on 20s
GenIII
12/03/2001
02:38:06
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well what about us who have 5speeds? all you have to do is just release the parking break to get it rolling.
how about this, if you have kids, KNOW WHERE THE HELL THEY ARE!!!!!!!! and dont let them get into things they have no busness getting into. if you cant do that, get fixed so you cant have kids! we dont need dumbass parents having children
Eric
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
02:52:43
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Never done drugs, and if that was a homosexual comment, then you must be having delusions of men in your owwn head to even think of it. Like I said, if your tranny can be shifted out of park without the keys in the ignition then there is a problem with your Dak, but doesn't mean every Dak is affected. 5-speeds don't count since we are only talking about auto's. And like Kota said, what about the guys with 5-speeds??? I suposed they shoudl recall those vehicles as well and put some sort of safety lockout on those as well. It still all goes back to the parents and not teaching thier kids right and wrong, and only the parents shoudl be held responsible. Why should the auto manufacturers have to compensate for neglective owners?? I suppose if you towed an improperly loaded trailer and damaged your Dakota, but were withing the manufacturers towing capacity you would sue them for the damage??
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MAD DUC
GenIII
12/03/2001
06:48:55
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If my kids ever played in my truck,OMG! If parents can't keep tabs on there kids, then they shouldn't be parents. Do you want the government to control everything in your life? It makes me sick thinking of all the things controled in our lives due to some dumbass negligence. Should I sue Nike because I tripped? Sue car stereo makers cuz my ears ring? Maybe the government will step in and make all stereos only go 70db to protect me from hurting myself, I sure hope so?!
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joe
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
07:30:08
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My 02 does not shift into gear when I step on the brake with out the key in the ignition.
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Gary F
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
07:43:02
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This all seems so stupid. Maybe Chrysler should also be sued because someone gets killed speeding. Anyone ever thought of locking the doors of the truck? Can't even get near the shifter, ignition, cigarette lighter or any other "hazards". Duh.
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Clevite 77
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
08:04:49
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HSKR, I guess there's always a parking break for a 5 spd, you should use it from day one just to keep it from seizing up and it won't hurt to use it in an auto either, but that's another story. I have to say though. I don't think kids should be left alone in a car at all if it's a problem lock your doors don't give them a chance to even get into your truck, But I guess there's always gonna be that time when you take your kid to the gas station with you.
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bernd
*GenIII*
12/03/2001
10:21:52
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Taking your kid to the gas station: If you need to leave the car at tthe pump and pay inside...TAKE YOUR CHILD WITH YOU!
Now...on the lighter side....
Hehehehe...you'd be surprised at the special features your truck has (when you let a 2 year old play in the cab).
My son found the following "Special Features" in my '97 Dakota:
(1) 3 CD's can actually fit into my Eclipse CD Player (Manufacturer only claims 1)
(2) You can fit several Fish Shaped crackers into the cigarette lighter socket (and still be able to close it!)
(3) There is a way to turn every knob/dial/switch on your dash...with one foot still on the steering wheel
(4) The Hurst Billet Shifter IS 100% "Child Tested"
(5) Those cool looking lighted switches from Radio Shack are NOT child proof (hehehe...he broke two of them)
(6) You don't have to be tall to smack your head on the roof. (Ok, so you have to be jumping.)
(7) The High-Beam lever has now been "stress tested" and will hold up under severe "clicking" manuevers. (So will the battery and headlights!)
(8) Starting your truck at 6am and having every single bell/whistle/doohickey go off is VERY annoying (without first having coffee).
1997 Dodge Dakota SLT - V6
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kota on 20s
GenIII
12/03/2001
11:04:02
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LOL. maby my pioneer can hold 3cd's.
Eric
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YJ
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
12:45:29
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That's pretty funny, bernd. After coffee of course. :-)
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Knobbyman
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12/03/2001
13:29:51
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Thank you Bernd .. I was about to pust something to that same effect.....
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blaze
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
13:48:11
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I think everyone is missing my point. I agree anyone who puts kids in a vehicle alone needs HElp. However i am just trying to tell you people there is a lawsuit against dodge for this defect. It cover all models who can put the truck in gear with out the brake being mashed. If you bought your truck new then you should get a letter in the mail soon. I DIDNT start the lawsuit! I was just trying to inform you who did now know of this. What you do with the info is your choice.
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Knobbyman
GenIII
12/03/2001
14:05:18
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This post was about a lawsuit? j/k
Yea we got abit off track thanks for the info blaze.
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robert
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
16:08:13
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The only people worse than ambulance chasing lawyers... are the people who go along with it. Too many people want a free ride; they want money for their mistakes...
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YJ
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
16:19:55
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Thanks for the info, Blaze. Dakota info's always welcome knowledge.
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NiPs
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
16:27:20
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Okay things to undertstand,
Your truck shoudn't be able to be shifted out of park without the keys if so you should have a problem with this(IT's a BAD thing).
Then you have to think, lets go into the extreme worst case senario. SO bare with me, throttle cable gets stuck at WOT during the night, you wake up and quickly start your car and slam(IE teenager) into reverse or drive. You realize too late that the truck is stuck at WOT and you peelout into a tree, wall, people, etc.
Now if you don't believe me just look at these(Not Daks, but you see the idea). Look under "Defect Rpts" at http://home.fuse.net/c4/. Look for "FUEL:THROTTLE LINKAGES AND CONTROL" as the component causing the problem. Look at a few years the reports are there. Now draw a correlation between the problem there and it's sfatey ramifactions. Now do you see a reason to have something to prevent you from shifting without your foot on the brake? It's a just in case ALL goes wrong device but it may save your life.
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Blizzard
*GenIII*
12/03/2001
16:58:55
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LMAO @ Bernd!!! And I thought my 2 year old was the only one inventive one!
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
17:12:26
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How can a throttle cable magically get stuck at WOT overnight?? Someon would have to have pushed on the go pedal to get it to WOT to even begin to stick. And I don't know about you, but I alwyas push on the brake before I shift even if I don't hav to. Guess it's habit from my 5-speed driving days. ANd just when I thought everyone had finally found some common sense about this subject!!!!
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SuperDak
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
19:24:53
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ok im confused...some of yall are saying that the keys dont even have to be in the ignition...some say that you dont have to press the brake...pressing the brake before going into reverse just seems like a natural habit for me
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Duke
Dodge Dakota
12/03/2001
23:31:59
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#1- All vehicles have emergency or PARKING brakes. If these are used than a vehicle won't roll in neutral or in gear at idle.(common sense)
#2- Perhaps some one was injured in order to start this lawsuit.(The lady who spilled hot coffee in her lap at a McDonalds drive thru.) Again a company thought that people have common sense and would not spill hot coffee on themselves no matter if there is a label on the outside that reads Caution: Extreme hot liquids!
#3- If EVERYONE used common sense along with good driving and parking habits, then we wouldn"t be having this discusion.
Duke 96 Gen II
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Demon-Xanth
Dodge Dakota
12/04/2001
03:40:29
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I still haven't been able to find park on my truck, but the clutch needs to go in to turn the starter. :)
Seriously, the reason for the recall is because idiots leave kids in the car alone. And the kids play around and yank on the lever, usually the key needs to go in to shift (meaning someone left the key in) out of park. Leaving one conclusion: people are leaving kids in a RUNNING car. I say smack the parents.
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QUADMAN
Dodge Dakota
12/04/2001
05:43:12
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DEMON - I thought that everyone knew that 5 speeds don't have a park gear.
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chaseplane
Dodge Dakota
12/04/2001
08:36:10
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DEMON,
You hit he nail right on the head. Smack the parents!.
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Knobbyman
GenIII
12/04/2001
09:26:39
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SHOOT UM!! oh wait... no that's what I yell @ work. Sorry got WAY off topic.
SMACK UM!
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NiPs
Dodge Dakota
12/05/2001
00:07:28
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HSKR - The people do have comone sense, your just the only idiot.
Okay honestly things like that HAVE happened. FOr whatever reason. Did you read the covertte link I gave, although it doesn't really explain what the situation was it has the evidence there. Let me exlain it for you.
The throttle linkage and the auto tranny colided in a way to result in WOT without a foot on the gas pedal. This occured right after the car was put into drive. Now a corvette slammed into drive is gonna start peeling out and eventually take off like a bat out of hell. Most people have a reaction time lower then the time needed to bring teh vette power up higher then the brakes can stop the car. That means that the brakes will only lokc the fronts and the rear's will just keep spining as the brakes can't hold the tire, which means your now out of control until you punt teh car in netral the axel breaks or the car runs out of gas. Now this is real and it did happen to a few unlucky people. So really a mechanism that has one put there foot squarely on the brakes before the car can be shifted out of drive is a good thing. However all that one needs to prevent this is to put your foot on the brake even though it isn't required out of common sense.
Just so you know there are many automatic cars that won't shift untill you have the brakes on.
In a perfect world we wouldn't need these devices but then again we do have them and they do save some people from accidents. If your truck did come from the factory with such a device would you have a problem with it? All it needs is your foot on the brake before you can get out of park so...
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kota on 20s
GenIII
12/05/2001
00:21:31
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NiPs wrote "Most people have a reaction time lower then the time needed to bring teh vette power up higher then the brakes can stop the car. That means that the brakes will only lokc the fronts and the rear's will just keep spining as the brakes can't hold the tire, which means your now out of control until you punt teh car in netral the axel breaks or the car runs out of gas."
only idiots that would let their kid play in cars would just step on the breaks untill the car ran out of gas. i think the rest of us would just shut the damn thing off!
this was all on a 20/20 episode, only it was on the chrystler minivans
Eric
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
12/05/2001
04:27:17
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The throttle linkage and the auto tranny colided in a way to result in WOT without a foot on the gas pedal. This occured right after the car was put into drive. Now a corvette slammed into drive is gonna start peeling out and eventually take off like a bat out of hell. Most people have a reaction time lower then the time needed to bring teh vette power up higher then the brakes can stop the car. That means that the brakes will only lokc the fronts and the rear's will just keep spining as the brakes can't hold the tire, which means your now out of control until you punt teh car in netral the axel breaks or the car runs out of gas. Now this is real and it did happen to a few unlucky people. So really a mechanism that has one put there foot squarely on the brakes before the car can be shifted out of drive is a good thing.
If what you wrote was true, then it wouldn't matter if you had the brake depressed before it went into gear or not, the Vette woudl still have spun the tires and gone out of control. Tell me how a safety device like pushing the brake to shift into gear could have prevented that accident?? Just the fact that the driver woudl already have his foot on a useless brake as you pointed out "That means that the brakes will only lokc the fronts and the rear's will just keep spining as the brakes can't hold the tire" Give me a break, and reply when you have a valid point to tell me why we need this safety feature other than negligent parents.
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NiPs
Dodge Dakota
12/05/2001
15:25:56
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Okay, I type way to fast so forgive the spelling mistakes.
The only thing to keep in mind is "That means that the brakes will only lock(corrected) the fronts and the rear's will just *keep* spining as the brakes can't hold the tire"
If the brakes are at full pruessure then the car would most likely not move and inch because once the have grabbed a good hold it won't spin, however stopping the tire from spining is a different senario. Granted that a Vette may be able to break the hold the brakes have but the physics say that the probability would be from something else to break first.
Then even if the brakes couldn't hold it the car would have traveled less then if you didn't have the brakes on before you pull it out of gear or shut off the engine.
Even if your car moves 5ft you run the risk of some sort of accident.
Again ...
"In a perfect world we wouldn't need these devices but then again can have them and they do save some people from accidents. If your truck did come from the factory with such a device would you have a problem with it? All it needs is your foot on the brake before you can get out of park so... "
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HSKR
Dodge Dakota
12/05/2001
16:40:00
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I woudl have no problem with it if it had the device from the factory, but to start a lawsuit because it doesn't have it is just stupid. And to use the excuse"what if kids were left in the vehicle" is stupid again because last time I checked it was illegal to leave kids unattended in a running vehicle, and if you leave kids in the vehicle with the keys in ignition the parent once again is a moron, and shoud lbe punished. Not the auto manufactureres and the buyers witha little common sense. Say you were goin to buy your Dak and you had a price set and were ready to sign the papers. Then at the last minute the dealer gets a phone call and says hold on, we have to charge an extra $200 because we have to add a brake safety device to keep you from shifting into gear without pressing the brake. Would you mind paying the extra money after you have already agreed on a lower price??
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jjj
Dodge Dakota
12/05/2001
18:33:46
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I don't know about you guys, BUT it bugs the heck out of me when I get in my fiance 2000 Concorde and have to push the brake to get out of park. If my 71 Cuda did't need it then new cars don't either. I am sure no one told the lawyers (also known as parasites) that trucks go by different rules than cars. And yes kids and running vehicles = smashed truck. If you aren't in the truck the keys shouldn't be either. JMO
Jeff
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