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94DAK
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11/02/2001
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hey all,
Recently there was a thread about gas aditives, but here was no mentoin of marvel. So I was wondering if anyone knows something I don't about marvel? It does strike me as a little odd that you can put it in both gas and oil. Anyway, thanks for any knowledge.
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sandman
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11/02/2001
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Marvel Mystery Oil is full of penatrents and surfacants. I am sure that it does lube uper cylinders but I would imagine that it has to combust and deposit carbon on the tops of the pistons. I know that B-12 chem-tool in the steel pint can at walmart does not leave any deposits as it is combusted with the fuel. It does not have any upper cylinder lubricats but it does clean well. If you are going to use upper cylinder lubricants check out Lucas's products. They burn clean and replace lost lubricants to the fuel. Redline also makes a good product.
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sandman
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11/02/2001
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Marvel Mystery Oil is full of penatrents and surfacants. I am sure that it does lube uper cylinders but I would imagine that it has to combust and deposit carbon on the tops of the pistons. I know that B-12 chem-tool in the steel pint can at walmart does not leave any deposits as it is combusted with the fuel. It does not have any upper cylinder lubricats but it does clean well. If you are going to use upper cylinder lubricants check out Lucas's products. They burn clean and replace lost lubricants to the fuel. Redline also makes a good product.
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jASON
Dodge Dakota
11/03/2001
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I once used a can of MMO in my dak. I fed it to my 5.2 in a way that was a little far from norm, but it got in just as well. I disconnected my power brake booster vacuum hose from the booster and put the end in my can of MMO. My thirsty V8 sucked down that pint in less than 2 seconds. Within 10 seconds, my front yard filled with white smoke and within a few minutes my street looked like a hazy morning in smoggy LA. Someone called 911 and a fire truck came by, then a cop. The firemen pissed and moaned a little and the cop threatened to write me an air pollution ticket. He made me drive it out to a field a few blocks away to let the MMO burn out of my exhaust, as he tailgated me with his lights on.
It took 30 minutes to burn that stuff out of my exhaust, but I will say that was 40k miles ago and my truck still runs like new. I am a believer in MMO, I will just put it in the gas tank from now on.
I guess it was safe for my catalytic convertor. It still works fine after 65k total miles.
I live in the suburbs, but I probably should move to a trailer park if I want to pull stunts like that!
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sandman
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11/03/2001
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I have a modified 4cylinder that runs so hot that the exhaust manifold glows cherry red hot. Low Lead 180 octane avaition gas was too expensive. So I played around with adding trany fluid to the fuel to increase thermal energy (octane) of fuel and it also lubed the cylinders. I was able to add one complete quart of trany fluid to my 16 gallon tank with no smokeing or fouling. I finaly ended up with a ratio of half a quart to 16 gallons for regular use. The engine maxs lots of power and does not have any detonation problems. I would not do this to a daily driver. This was just witten to share an experiment that I conducted. I put 3 tanks of gas through it with 1 quart to 16 gallons and then checked the plugs for fouling. P.S. This did not hurt the oxy sensor at all.
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BMac
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11/04/2001
10:01:52
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There's no chance in hell that I am putting anything in my Dak that has "Mystery" on the label.
I use to work with my older brother in a busline company. Some busses were gas and some were diesel. My brother use to use the "mix" that they syphoned out of some busses where some jackass couldn't tell the difference. Easy mistake I guess when 1 in 100 are diesel.
He ran this stuff in his Cordoba 360 and Shuvit. Shuvit din't like it much and died shortly thereafter.
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ILYAN
Dodge Dakota
12/20/2001
19:49:19
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Is Marvel Mystery Oil compatible with Redline Synthetic 5W30 Motor Oil? How about Mobile 1 Synthetic 5W30 Motor Oil? Is it good to use a quart of Marvel Mystery Oil mixed with Mobile 1 Synthetic 5W30 for engine break-in on a new four cylinder?
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ILYAN
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12/20/2001
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Is Marvel Mystery Oil compatible with Redline Synthetic 5W30 Motor Oil? How about Mobile 1 Synthetic 5W30 Motor Oil? Is it good to use a quart of Marvel Mystery Oil mixed with Mobile 1 Synthetic 5W30 for engine break-in on a new four cylinder?
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Wayne
Dodge Dakota
12/21/2001
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I don't claim to be an expert but I wouldn't do that. I believe you should break an engine in with "dino" oil and not synthetic. I'd leave the Marvel alone unless I had a problem that it may fix. Oil manufacturers advise against adding anything to their oils because the additive packages are already "balanced" and any other additives is detrimental to the oil.
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Jim Redwing
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8/09/2002
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I find Marvel Mystery Oil to be an effective fuel injector cleaner and gas mileage improver,it should be used only at the rate recommended on the label..which is 4 oz.for every 10 gallons of fuel.As for deposits left by MMO I`ve heard it burns quite clean but who knows.In the motor oil it is useful for cleaning out a dirty crankcase or quieting down a noisy valve train in a high mileage engine but should probably not be used in a newer engine in good mechanical condition.MMO is also useful in 2 cycle engines like outboard boat motors,lawnmowers etc. Its even good in an oil can as general purpose penetrating machine oil.
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BlackDak02
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8/09/2002
19:19:48
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Smoke 'em out with GM top engine cleaner, LOL.
2002 Black CC SLT 4x4
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Dr. D
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8/09/2002
19:54:05
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If you use a high quality synthetic you will not need to add anything to it or flush gunk out of an engine after thousands of miles.
I have tried many fuel additives and found the AMSOIL P.I. to be one of the absolute best, one 16.oz. bottle treats 160 gallons (about $7.30 a bottle)
I buy it by the gallon (enough to treat 1280 gallons) and use it in all of my equipment (excluding diesels which get the AMSOIL Diesel Fuel Modifier) and trucks and I do so with almost every tankful.
Dr. D
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Jim Redwing
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8/09/2002
22:12:31
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I dont like Amsoil or their products,theyve spent alot of time trying to discredit their competitors many of whom are quite good.In the end I think Amsoil will only succeed in discrediting themselves and their own products.Theyve bashed Pennzoil and K&N airfilters among others.The fact is Amsoil is just as guilty of product misrepresentation as they claim their competitors are.Amsoil is not superior above all else,many of their competitors offer products that can match or exceed performance specifications of Amsoil products.Keep this in mind.
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Dr. D
Dodge Dakota
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8/09/2002
22:40:57
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Thats funny because I have over a dozen magazine articles (all independant magazines) and many, many oil analysis samples that prove otherwise.
But hey ... it's a free country so use what you want.
Dr. D
President of MAD DUCK MOTORSPORTS
and owner of Earth Angels Lawn Care.
* Former Quaker State, Castrol GTX, Castrol Syntec, Mobil1, Redline, Royal Purple and K&N air filter user ... and yes I even got suckered into buying Slick-50 at one time.
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Pfarm
Dodge Dakota
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8/10/2002
08:00:47
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I ahve used MMO for about 10 years in both crankcase and fuel tank with no ill effects. My father is a pilot and he uses MMo in both his planes. He swears it improves cylinder compression. This is important when doing an annual FAA inspection. Older engines whith a lot of hours need all the help they can get.I talked to a guy who owns a fleet of dump trucks and uses MMO. He says his fleet gets a better gas mileage.I also have an old craftsman push mower with straight MMO in it for 3 years. with no ill effects.( experiment)
Robert
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SuperBee
Dodge Dakota
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8/10/2002
08:55:50
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i dont know about STRAIGHT MMO, if you look at it when you pour the viscosity is much different than a normal oil, so its thinner. So i dont know if i would do that
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Zaurusman
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8/10/2002
10:13:59
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The can also claims that it helps cold starts in the winter; anyone able to testify to that? Do those of you who run it in the oil run it all the time or just sometimes?
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Dr. D
Dodge Dakota
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8/10/2002
13:58:23
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If you are looking for help with cold weather starting switch over to a high quality synthetic, either a 0w-30,5w-30 or a 10w-30.
Dr. D
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Dodge Dakota
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8/10/2002
15:24:15
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Think about these points:
Marvel Mystery Oil contains solvents in a mineral carrier. Many of these solvents are lighter fractions of petroleum, and will thin-out your engine oil.
You are going to have, as a result, a thinner motor oil and a modified additive chemistry that may be harmful.
Almost every oil company states in their technical sheets not to add aftermarket additives and there is good reason - aftermarket additives change the "delicate balance" of additve chemistry.
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer, Proud Sponsor of DodgeDakotas.com
Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubrication, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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Jim Harding
Dodge Dakota
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8/10/2002
18:45:38
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Amsoil sponsor is absolutely correct about using marvel in the crankcase.It can be used in relative safety in the crankcase for a short period of time,perhaps a week,prior to an oil change in a dirty neglected engine.A half quart is usually sufficient for this purpose.Otherwise it should not be used as a regular crankcase additive;if you insist on using it as a regular crankcase additive,use it judiciously,like no more than 8 oz.to 5 quarts of oil.In the gas it seems to be effective as a fuel injector cleaner and also seems to extend fuel mileage and turtle wax(the new owner of marvel)claims it is safe for this purpose and will not harm catalytic converters.Who knows,just use your own judgement.
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Gary T.
Dodge Dakota
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8/14/2002
00:08:59
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There is evidence it is possible to add to the "delicate" balance of motor oil additives with an oil supplement with very good results! Incidently,if I hear the term "delicate balance" in reference to motor oil additives one more time,I may puke.
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HelpDesk
Dodge Dakota
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8/14/2002
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Gary T.,
Go ahead and puke sir. :-)
There was a time, 15-20+ years ago when straight grades were the most common and adding Marvel Mystery Oil to a straight 20 or 30 weight might have made that old Roadmaster, Galaxy or Fury a little easier to turn over in the winter mornings. That seems perfectly fine. But now, how would adding MMO affect the volatility of the base oil?
Would the resulting concoction still pass the SJ or SL tests? What about once the engine reaches operating temperature.
Might the MMO upset the existing additive package balance? The "delicate balance"? :-)
Has anyone looked at the MSDS sheet for MMO lately? Exactly what is the pour/pumpability points for that stuff? Is it really below some of the synthetic 5W-30 or 0W-30? Could it flow at –70F or below? What about flash point? Shouldn’t it be low … like 350F or less? After all, this stuff should burn in a cylinder along with fuel … or you might end up with a really nasty mess in there after just a few thousand miles.
However, if you are adding a moderate amount (4oz in 10 gallons) of MMO to the FUEL tank of a "carbureted machine", I’m in complete agreement. I’ve seen this stuff improve fuel economy (about 3%) and eliminate crankcase oil consumption in engines which had experienced moderate consumption before. I can only guess that valve seats and other wear areas which are continuously bathed in fuel will experience longer life as well.
But, I "WOULD NOT" add it to engines which are fuel injected and/or have sensitive emissions equipment. The slight added benefit simply isn’t worth the risk of clogging an injector or fouling a sensor.
P.S. Nothing better than a "delicately balanced martini" :-)
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SuperBee
Dodge Dakota
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8/18/2002
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well
"how would adding MMO affect the volatility of the base oil?"
so what your asking is will it evaporate slower or faster
volatility=aptness to evaporate
Chem 115 @ UWEC
Dr. James Pillips
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Prospector
Dodge Dakota
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8/18/2002
20:42:44
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I would never put "Model-T Mystery Oil" in my engine!
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Stu Woods
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8/19/2002
03:08:41
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Generations of mechanics cant be wrong! This stuff must work.
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Rascal
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8/19/2002
16:55:00
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We use to dump MMO in our Harleys to loosen sticky valves, but the oils are so much better today, I would not use MMO in my lawnmower, it little better than kerosene.
Wayne, why wouldn't you break in a new motor with synthetic? Mobil One comes new from the factory in about a dozen performance cars and they all recommend it...do you know something they don't?
Corvette, Porsche, Ferrari, etc all would like to know if you know something.
Just wondering why Amsoil is not offered in any new cars?
Rascal
98 SLT 2wd 5.2 , Powerslots, Hawk pads, Snugtop hard tonneau cover, Rancho brushguard and sidesteps, Flowkooler, Edelbrock shocks and dbl timing chain, Flowmetrics TB, Hella 500 lights, Magnacore wires, Autolites, Black Magic #150 and #110, etc...and a 57 Harley Panhead
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8/19/2002
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Reasons you won't find Amsoil in new automobiles:
Reason #1) Mobil1 is offered in new automobiles due to the fact they are "low bid". Amsoil refuses to participate in "low bid" opportunities.
This is also the reason you don't see Amsoil at Walmart. Walmart approached, and wanted to carry, Amsoil ... demanding low prices ... but Amsoil refuses to "low bid" for Walmart and compete with their Independent Dealers.
Reason #2) Foreign automobile manufacturers will only use "factory fill" oil that is readily available "on the shelf" in all the countries where their automobiles are sold. Except for Servicemen stationed on foreign bases ... Amsoil is only available in the USA, Canada, New Zealand, Puerto Rico, England. It is not readily available in all countries for automobile owners to purchase for their regular oil changes.
There are other reasons but I think this satisfies your curiosity.
Steven Roark, Amsoil Dealer, Proud Sponsor of DodgeDakotas.com
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P.S. For Servicemen and Women stationed overseas ... when you order Amsoil you only pay shipping to the nearest US Port. Uncle Sam pays to have it delivered beyond that point. A brief thanks to you all for defending and protecting our country and our countries interests.
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Rascal
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8/20/2002
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Actually, that explanation is hilarious. You want me to believe that they build a $100,000 automobile and will take the oil that bids the lowest. According to BMW in South Carolina where the Z3 is built, they prefer Mobil One due to its lubrication capabilities. I have a friend who is one of the head engineers at that plant so I called him about your response. He could only laugh. That you would think that these expensive cars would maybe save a couple of bucks on something as important as motor oil is just silly.
Not trying to flame you, but that is not true.
Rascal
98 SLT 2wd 5.2 , Powerslots, Hawk pads, Snugtop hard tonneau cover, Rancho brushguard and sidesteps, Flowkooler, Edelbrock shocks and dbl timing chain, Flowmetrics TB, Hella 500 lights, Magnacore wires, Autolites, Black Magic #150 and #110, etc...and a 57 Harley Panhead
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I_Know_Better
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8/20/2002
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Rascal,
Re: "they prefer Mobil One due to its lubrication capabilities."
Did you ever hear of "the company line?"
Do you know that Britney Spears Pepsi contract says she can not be seen drinking "any" soft drink besides Pepsi for the duration of her contract? It is call "carry the company line".
I work procurement for a major airline manufacturer. EVERYthing we purchase is "low bid" as long as it meets "MINIMUM requirements", unless of course we have to pay higher to satisfy our government imposed "minority purchase" percentage agreements. This sux the big one!
The same holds true for anyone that receives "endorsement" dollars, be they performers, entertainers, sports figures, automobile manufacturers, etc.
Believe who you want.
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Rascal
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8/20/2002
15:29:12
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"Believe who you want"
Ok, I will. This isn't Pepsi or Brittany Spears.
These are expensive cars. Makes no sense that they would just low bid the motor oil when they do not cut a corner on any other point of the car.
Peace,
Rascal
98 SLT 2wd 5.2 , Powerslots, Hawk pads, Snugtop hard tonneau cover, Rancho brushguard and sidesteps, Flowkooler, Edelbrock shocks and dbl timing chain, Flowmetrics TB, Hella 500 lights, Magnacore wires, Autolites, Black Magic #150 and #110, etc...and a 57 Harley Panhead
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I_still_know_
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8/20/2002
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The Space Shuttle that blew up was built with "low bid" O-rings. Thats why it blew up.
FYI, "low bid" does not always mean it is $hit products, it just means that "somebody" pays. The "somebody" in this case is you paying .02 more for Exxon or Mobil gasoline at the pump. They make their profits at the pump so they can sell their Mobil1 at the "lowest bid" to the manufacturers. The bigger they are ... the easier to cover the lost potential revenue on their loss leaders.
University of GA Graduate Case Study, Marketing Degree
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