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Mark16q
Dodge Dakota
10/25/2001
15:06:53
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I've got an '01 qc, 4.7 2wd, handling package. The only gripe I've got now is the ride on concrete joint sections of the freeway out here in SoCal. It literally shakes you to nausea. The ride is generally great, but those concrete sections are awful. With my motorcycle in the back, it is o.k., but empty is embarassing with passengers. I don't mind a firm ride, but the bouncing is tough on long drives. Reminds me of my old datsun pickup from 25 years ago.
Since I don't carry more than 2 bikes in the back with gear (probably 500 lbs.), is there a shock that is less harsh unweighted? I don't go offroading,just street and freeway cruising. Guessing I need something with less compression damping, as the weight improves it quite a bit.
Thanks,
Mark
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Clevite 77
Dodge Dakota
10/25/2001
15:22:14
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Try the Edelebrock shocks heard their real nice
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ole
GenI
10/25/2001
15:50:01
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Bilsteins . . . available from hotchkis, shock warehouse, or
autozone, all same price.
I put BE5-2617 and BE5-2618 on my 2001 QC 4.7 4x4 . . .
My wife told me that she thought that the "bad" ride quality had been
caused by my driving, and that the Bilsteins fixed it !
But as far as less bounce unloaded, I can't really tell you for sure . . .
my truck is a 4x4 and I have a SnugTop canopy on the back . . .
(I also live in socal and I have never noticed the bounce you
speak of) . . . . Good Luck !
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Mark16q
Dodge Dakota
10/25/2001
16:03:26
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Ole,
As your truck doesn't bounce like mine, and I'm sure you are driving the same freeways, wondering what your canopy weighs, approximately? Believe me, you would know the bounce if you experienced it. I find it is much better in the slow lane, probably 'cuz of big rigs smoothing the seams better. In the fast lane, I can't see straight.
So what did the Bilsteins improve? Smoother ride, better handling, etc? I'm not looking to firm the ride up, as many truck shocks will do.
Thanks,
Mark
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Mark16q
Dodge Dakota
10/25/2001
17:26:37
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Just checked the Edelbrock site, and various vendors, and they all say that shocks are not for the 4.7? Strange, but is this true? After reading about the ias shock, I want them.
Mark
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Mark16q
Dodge Dakota
10/25/2001
18:05:24
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Just called Edelbrock, and they confirmed that their application chart is wrong. The shock for the 5.9 2wd is also for the 4.7.
Mark
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ole
GenI
10/25/2001
18:39:42
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Mark,
The bilsteins gave a much smoother ride, much better handling, and only slightly firmed up the ride (definatly not to the point of even being able to notice fwy expansion joints) . . . again, I do not notice any significant "bouncing" on the fwy.
I may be biased . . . because I think my truck drives "like a Cadillac" . . . my last truck was a 1960 F250 with 1 Ton Springs on the rear . . . talk about BOUNCING on the fwy !
Canopy weighs about 230 Lbs.
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
10/25/2001
22:13:48
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The edlebrocks are a awsome suspention. It does everything the commercial says and more. You can really feel the shock modulate and it makes the truck feel more confident.
Bilstin shocks are good but its just the same technology as the current shocks only much better built. I had one fail on me. The rod snapped. I replaced the entire set on my durango with edlebrocks and much better. Plus look very cool with the rubber boot and red paint.
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Mark16q
Dodge Dakota
10/26/2001
00:14:41
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Mar,
That's what I like to hear. What did they pay you for the testimony ;)
I had a 91 4 runner and put the monroe sensa trac shocks on right when they came out. Same principal as the edelbrocks, but they blew frequently. When they worked, they worked great. Are there any shops in SoCal, San fernando valley that sell 'em?
Mark
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
10/26/2001
08:54:15
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You can order them from
Summit racing.
www.summitracing.com
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Dakota 2 Time
Dodge Dakota
10/26/2001
09:12:46
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I put the Edelbrock IAS Monoshocks on my 97 Club Cab and they are great. As stated before they work as advertised. Great firm ride on smooth stuff and lots of travel for the big hits. I have used Bilstein's, Koni's KYB's and others on cars and they are okay but no travel for the big hits.
I like the Edelbrocks enough that if I could afford it I would swap out the brand new OEM shocks on my 01 Club Cab. The improvement is that noticable over even "good" new OEM shocks.
The only negative in some peoples mind is that the Edelbrock is an inverted shock. The piston rod is at the bottom of the shock and the oil chamber is on top. Doesn't bother me though. BTW, they now have a twin tube design. DO NOT get this one. It is made either by Monroe or Gabriel. Both manufacturers have been making junk for the last few years. Sure they have a warranty but it is expensive to ship shocks and swapping out defective ones is a pain in the ....you know what.
97 CC SLT 5.2 Auto 3.55 Brilliant Blue/Silver
01 CC SLT 4.7 Auto 3.92 LSD Flame Red/Silver
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Mark16q
Dodge Dakota
10/26/2001
11:37:50
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"The only negative in some peoples mind is that the Edelbrock is an inverted shock."
I always thought that would be a good thing having the shock upside down. Less unsprung weight on the wheel usually gives better suspension performance. And as they're gas pressurized, no difference there. Hmmm.
Not going for the twin tube. If I'm going to hassle getting these put on, not worth saving a few bucks each. Like I had said, I used the monroe sensa tracs many years, but they kept blowing. Sure, they replace them free, but what a hassle changing them. Still have nightmares on that.
Mark
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Swampdak
Gen III
10/26/2001
14:23:40
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Mark16q- I have a similar problem , if I am on the highway at about 65 mph, and I hit expansion joints my truck actually kicks out of line a little bit(goes sideways) when it hits these small bumps. It is not really serious but a little annoying.It seems to do it with and without weight in the back.I had a 95 chev 4x4 that did the same thing but they are the only two trucks that I have had this problem with.It is prob the cheap shocks that come from the factory.
Y2K CC 4.7 AUTO 4X4 3.55 TRAC-LOK SLT K&N 16.35/82.41
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Mark16q
Dodge Dakota
10/26/2001
14:47:25
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Swampdak,
Mine does that too. Figured that was due to the solid rear axle. It is really interesting hitting those going around a curve at 65 on the freeway. Hopefully new shocks will help with that as well.
Mark
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Snapper
Dodge Dakota
10/26/2001
17:12:20
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Just for everyone's info...MONROE IS THE ONLY SHOCK MANUFACTURER IN THE UNITED STATES. They make all of the shocks you buy. Rancho, Bilstein, Pro Comp, SkyJacker, SuperLift, RoadHandler, Edelbrock. You name it they make it...No Bullsh!t.
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BlueBayou
Dodge Dakota
10/26/2001
17:16:49
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I saw that same thing on edelbrocks website regarding not for the quad cab.
Mark16q - what shock should be used for the 4.7 Quad Cab 4x4?
I am assuming that if the 5.9 4x2 can be used for the 4.7 4x2 it should work the same way.
If that is true, edelbrock is just about the only manufacturer that offers replacement shocks for the Quad Cab.
Thanks
Blue
'01, SLT+, 4.7, 3.55 lsd, 4x4
Pat Blue and Silver
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Mark16q
Dodge Dakota
10/26/2001
17:22:49
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BlueBayou,
I didn't discuss the 4x4 with the guy, so you should call their technical support line and ask. It probably does fit, but better be sure.
Mark
p.s. I'm going to call back and double check on my 4x2, just to be sure....
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Mark16q
Dodge Dakota
10/30/2001
11:53:18
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Final word on the ias edelbrock shocks. Got an email from Edelbrock engineer that they don't work on 4.7. I let him know what tech support had said, so he checked with engineering, etc and confirmed that the shocks DO work on the 4.7 2wd. The new catalog will correct the error. How many sales have they lost due to that little typo? They should give me a free set just for bringing the problem to their attention ;)
Mark
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
10/30/2001
12:46:39
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Monroe does not make the edlebrock shock. They only make the dual tube one.
The situation where you hit the joint and the back of the truck kicks out is called AXLE walk. It is not corrected buy shock absorbers but from tractions bars that hold the axle in place at all times.
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BlueBayou
Dodge Dakota
10/30/2001
15:05:28
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would the "roadmaster active suspension" eliminate or tame this phenom called axle walk?
Is this the same as axle hop when you punch it?
Blue
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BlueBayou
Dodge Dakota
10/30/2001
15:21:18
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would the "roadmaster active suspension" eliminate or tame this phenom called axle walk?
Is this the same as axle hop when you punch it?
Blue
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weebedna
Dodge Dakota
10/30/2001
16:59:11
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i also have a 2001 quad 4x2 with handling package and had the same problem. I got the procomp es9000 shocks....no problem now. Not too soft or harsh.
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weebedna
Dodge Dakota
10/30/2001
16:59:56
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mine is a 4.7 also...
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Mpr
Dodge Dakota
10/30/2001
22:35:40
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What's wrong with wheel hop and doing 60MPH after hitting a bump on the freeway.
I've come to live with it:)
So what are some good shocks?
es9000
Bilstin
Edelbrock IAS
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Dakota 2 Time
Dodge Dakota
10/31/2001
02:51:24
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I have used the Monroe Sensa-Trac on my 90 Acclaim and those shocks and struts sucked the big one. I had better control with the OEM units with 90000 miles on them. Worse shock Iever used.
And SNAPPER, you are dead wrong. There are several shock manufacturers in the US not to mention overseas. True Monroe and Gabrial make the lions share of "standard" type shocks but not the performance shocks. You can tell this by the various markings on the shock tubes.
97 CC SLT 5.2 Auto 3.55 Brilliant Blue/Silver
01 CC SLT 4.7 Auto 3.92 LSD Flame Red/Silver
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bjlindsey
Gen III
10/31/2001
11:27:17
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Same for me and my '01 QC 4x4. Drives me nuts. can anyone recommend a shock for my application? Thanks.
'01 QC 4x4 5.9L 3.92 LSD K&N FIPK Clone Truck Tec bed cover
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Dave Mitchell
Dodge Dakota
11/03/2001
03:00:29
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What are all you guys running your rear tire pressures at? Hopefully not at the max tire pressure.
I run my tires as per the heavy load and high speed inflations. 34 front and 39 rear.
My '01 Quad 4x2 with handling package doesn't have this problem. I don't have anything on the back to weigh it down.
Could the Good Year Eagle LS tires eliminate the problem? Good Year touts them as Luxury Sport tires for luxury sedans.
I would think the sidewalls are a lot less stiff on the Eagles than for the Wrangler HP light truck tires Dodge mounts on the 4x4's.
What does Dodge mount on the standard 15" rims?
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Mark16q
Dodge Dakota
11/03/2001
10:56:58
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Regarding tire pressure, interesting discovery on ride and pressure. The miserable bouncing I was experiencing was at 32 psi f&r. Put them up to 34 psi, and although the ride is more firm, the bouncing is much less. Guess those big balloons were bouncing quite a bit. Still gonna get the shocks, but a few pounds did help some.
Mark
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Daddy-D
Gen III
11/03/2001
11:28:28
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I took a leap of faith and got a set of KYB
MonoMax shocks from Summit; rears damped
perfectly, but the fronts were soft (but made for
a nice cushy ride that is still better than stock).
I complained to KYB and they agreed the
spec'd fronts were valved soft and they sent
me a replacement pair. My Dak is a 3.9, so I
don't know if the 4.7 is the same. The alternate
fronts are about 1" longer, but no bottom-out
problems (just a little more challenging to
install).
Spec'd Fronts: KYB-565051
Firmer Fronts: KYB-565049
Spec'd Rears: KYB-565040
I have the original fronts for sale with >20
miles on them: $40 + shipping. Like I said,
they ride great, but I want a firmer ride.
-d.
'98 DakSport C/C 3.9 2WD A/T
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sandman
Dodge Dakota
11/03/2001
15:27:05
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One thing that I noticed on my 2001 4x4 QC,4.7 is that DC has realy limited the amount of articulatioin at each wheel with agresive bump stops. I have been thinking about triming these bump stops a little to see if a little more suspension movement would help as well. The softest shocks for non-lowered vechiles would have to be Dotesch(sp).
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Ted
Dodge Dakota
JOIN HERE
8/14/2002
10:08:14
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I bought the eldelbrock IAS shocks. I have only put on the rears, but I can feel no significant change. The truck still bounces on the freeway and has a mind of its on over washboard bumps. I want a smooth ride. Any advice? Maybe its the rear sway bar that is causing the problem?
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