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Does Mobil 1 dodge this question?
Here is something interesting to me that I found on the Mobil website. It appears to me that the answer side-steps the question. I would think a company of this magnitude could have at least given a "rehearsed" answer.
What does everyone else think?
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...ng_Drains.aspx
Mobil1's response is all a song and dance.
Mobil1 is AFRAID of Amsoil.
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Mobil must be writing Obama's speeches!
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----- THE TRUTH -----
Not all synthetic oils are the same.
Mobil1 is a Group III (fake) synthetic, not a Group IV.
AMSOIL is a Group IV True PAO 100% synthetic oil.
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WAKE UP PEOPLE.
Mobil1 must admit AMSOIL is the BETTER OIL.
Not all synthetic oils are the same.
Mobil1 is a Group III (fake) synthetic, not a Group IV.
AMSOIL is a Group IV True PAO 100% synthetic oil.
There are many oils out there that call themselves synthetic, but not all are created equal, and that's important to know. You do get what you pay for. Group III synthetic oils only use about 12% synthetic base stocks. The rest is hyrdocracked petroleum (crude oil) base stocks. For major oil companies who have their money in crude oil refining, the word "synthetic" is merely a marketing term. It does not mean 100%, but just that a percentage of synthetic base stock goes into their product.
The oils that are commonly mentioned are Group II and Group III synthetics with the exception of Royal Purple, which is a Group V. AMSOIL is a Group IV synthetic (PAO) but also uses Group V Ester technology. It (Amsoil) gives you the best of Group IV and Group V synthetics.
REMEMBER:
Mobil1 is a Group III (fake) synthetic.
AMSOIL is a Group IV True PAO synthetic.
BACKGROUND
In the late 1990s, Castrol started selling an oil made from Group III base oil and called it SynTec Full Synthetic. Mobil sued Castrol, asserting that this oil was not synthetic, but simply a highly refined petroleum oil, and therefore it was false advertising to call it synthetic. In 1999, Mobil lost their lawsuit. It was decided that the word "synthetic" was a marketing term and referred to properties, not to production methods or ingredients. Castrol continues to make SynTec out of Group III base oils, that is highly purified mineral oil with most all of the cockroach bits removed.
Shortly after Mobil lost their lawsuit, most oil companies started reformulating their synthetic oils to use Group III base stocks instead of PAOs or diester stocks as their primary component. Most of the "synthetic oil" you can buy today is actually mostly made of this highly-distilled and purified dino-juice called Group III oil. Group III base oils cost about half as much as the synthetics. By using a blend of mostly Group III oils and a smaller amount of "true" synthetics, the oil companies can produce a product that has some of the same properties as the "true" synthetics, and nearly the same cost as the Group III oil. AMSOIL differs from Group III oils. As a Group IV oil, it uses 100% pure synthetic base stocks. This is why you can run it for longer intervals.
Synthetic oils were originally designed for the purpose of having a very pure base oil with excellent properties. By starting from scratch and building up your oil molecules from little pieces, you can pretty much guarantee that every molecule in the oil is just like every other molecule, and therefore the properties are exactly what you designed in, not compromised by impurities. Synthetics were thus originally a reaction to the relatively poor refining processes available from about 1930 to about 1990. The original synthetics were designed for the Army Air Force in WW II. They simply could not make their high- performance turbo-charged radial engines stay alive on the available motor oils of the time.
One process for making synthetic base oils is to start with a chemical called an olefin, and make new molecules by attaching them to each other in long chains, hence "poly." The primary advantage of Poly-Alpha-Olefin "PAO" base oil is that all the molecules in the base oil are pretty much identical, so it's easy to get the base oil to behave exactly as you like. PAOs are called Group IV base oils.
Remember:
AMSOIL is a Group IV True PAO 100% synthetic oil.
These PAO base oils have an enormous advantage over mineral base oils in low temperature performance and in resistance to oxidation, which is critical in keeping the oil from forming acids.
Another type of base oil is made from refined and processed esters and is called Group V. Esters start life as fatty acids in plants and animals, which are then chemically combined into esters, diesters, and polyesters. Group V base stocks are the most expensive of all to produce. However, the esters are polar molecules and have very significant solvent properties - an ester base oil all by itself will do a very decent job of keeping your engine clean. So, people who are serious about making a superior oil will usually mix some Group V oils into their base stock.
Oils that are strictly Group V ester oils tend to be better suited for high RPM, hot running, air cooled engines. 100% ester based oils are usually more expensive than Group IV oils, and don't have the longevity of PAO (Group IV) or PAO/Ester mixes oils. Group V oils perform very well in the shorter term. Oils like Royal Purple and Redline are Group V oils. They perform very well in race engines and in applications where drain intervals are factory spec or shorter, whereas Group IV oils are better suited for the long haul of extended intervals.
Whatever oil you choose, know what you are buying. Just because the jug says "synthetic" doesn't mean it is made from 100% pure synthetic base stocks.
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I like these quotes:
--- Mobil1 ---
This quote sux (for Mobil):
Mobil is a Group III synthetic, not a Group IV.
Group III synthetic oils only use about 12%
synthetic base stocks. The rest is hyrdocracked
petroleum base stocks.
--- ROYAL PURPLE ---
This quote sux (for Royal Purple):
Group V oils perform very well in the shorter term. Oils like Royal Purple and Redline are Group V oils. They perform very well in race engines and in applications where drain intervals are factory spec or shorter
and this one:
Oils that are strictly Group V ester oils tend to be better suited for high RPM, hot running, air cooled engines. 100% ester based oils are usually more expensive than Group IV oils, and don't have the longevity of PAO (Group IV) or PAO/Ester mixes oils
--- AMSOIL ---
This quote is great (for Amsoil):
AMSOIL is a Group IV synthetic (PAO)
but also uses Group V Ester technology.
It (AMSOIL) gives you the best of
Group IV and Group V synthetics.
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Recap of the above article:
--- MOBIL1 ---
Mobil is Group III.
Mobil is not Group IV.
Mobil is made from hyrdocracked
petroleum (crude) base stocks.
Mobil is no longer a synthetic oil except for mkting purposes.
--- MOBIL1 LIES ABOUT BEING A SYNTHETIC ---
--- ROYAL PURPLE ---
Royal Purple is Group V.
Group V oils perform very well in the shorter term.
They perform very well in race engines.
They perform very well in applications where
drain intervals are factory specifications or shorter.
Royal Purple tends to be better suited for high
RPM, hot running, air cooled engines.
RP oils don't have the longevity of PAO (Group IV) or PAO/Ester mixes oils.
-- RP is ONLY FOR VERY SHORT DRAIN INTERVALS --
--- AMSOIL ---
Amsoil is a PAO (Group IV) or PAO/Ester mix
It (AMSOIL) gives you the best of Group IV and Group V synthetics.
Amsoil is a true 100% PAO Group IV Synthetic Oil.
--- AMSOIL IS A TRUE PAO SYNTHETIC AND THE BEST ---
--- AMSOIL IS BEST SUITED FOR EXTENDED OIL DRAINS ---
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AMSOIL NOW SPOTTED AT DODGE DEALERSHIPS!
WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED THAN DODGE's APPROVAL?
Amsoil is Approved for Dakotas and other Dodge vehicles:
DODGE DEALERSHIPS NOW CARRY AMSOIL
USE AMSOIL WITH CONFIDENCE!
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AMSOIL HAS BEEN SPOTTED AT DODGE DEALERSHIPS!
WHAT MORE DO YOU NEED THAN DODGE's APPROVAL?
Amsoil is Approved for Dakotas and other Dodge vehicles:
DODGE DEALERSHIPS NOW CARRY AMSOIL
USE AMSOIL WITH CONFIDENCE!
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But don't pay retail at your Dodge Dealership.
Contact the Amsoil guy for better prices.
The Amsoil guy (Steve) that was a site sponsor
here for many years (from 2002 - 2007) left due
to the childish behavior of a few flamers.
Steve can be found on another Dodge Dakota truck
site that has moderators and does not allow
undue flaming and childish behavior:
http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=105
IF YOU WANT TO BECOME AN AMSOIL CUSTOMER
The amsoil guy that was a site sponsor here for many
years left due to the childish behavior of a few.
He can be found here on a dodge truck site
that does not allow childish behavior:
http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=105
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SCAMSOIL
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10/23/2008
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please com buy this junk.
running without oil is better than using scamsoil.
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10/24/2008
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Nobody has answered my question.
Does Mobil 1 dodge this question on their website ????
Here is something very interesting that I found on the Mobil website.
It appears to me that the answer side-steps the question.
I would think a company of this magnitude could have at least given a "rehearsed" answer.
What does everyone else think?
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...ng_Drains.aspx
Mobil1's response is all a song and dance.
Mobil1 is AFRAID of Amsoil.
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wake up call
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10/24/2008
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I think you should put the question in this thread, rather than just a link. Why "must" Mobil 1 admit Amsoil is better ? Mobil 1 is acredited, Amsoil is not. Can't pass certification. And not all Amsoil is true synthetic, that is misleading. Amsoil engages in plenty of deceptive marketing on it's own ! Knowing how much Amsoil misrepresnts things, I couldn't be bothered to check your link.
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RadioMan
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10/24/2008
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After reading all of the above, I'll stick with
dino oil. Tried and true!
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Wake Up
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10/24/2008
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If you don't read the link how can you comment?
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10/24/2008
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I FIXED THE LINK:
http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Car_Care/AskMobil/Amsoil_Claims_of_Engine_Wear.aspx
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Mobil Corp
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10/24/2008
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We must agree that Amsoil is really the best !!!!
We cheapened our oils by switching all our
base oils to crude oil instead of synthetic oil.
This saved us millions of $$$ and the public
has no clue that we are ripping them off.
Only PAO oils are true synthetics.
Mobil does NOT offer any true PAO synthetic oil.
Our name alone sells the product. Not the quality.
We could put muddy water in the bottle and people
would buy it.
Our only interest is PROFITS and a cheap price
on the Walmart shelfs.
SWITCH TO PAO SYNTHETIC AMSOIL
Amsoil is a Genuine Synthetic PAO Formulated G4 Motor Oil
WHAT MORE INFORMATION DO YOU NEED????
DODGE DEALERSHIPS NOW CARRY AMSOIL
AMSOIL IS APPROVED BY DODGE FOR YOUR DAKOTA
Thank You!
The Marketing Department
Mobil Corporation
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Mobil Corp
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10/24/2008
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We like being the bad guys.
Remenber the Exxon Valdez ?!?!?!?!?
See ann the millions of $$$$$ we are making!
We want to add the following information:
Some of our Mobil1 oils are NOT API.
API is a minimum gov't rating and we don't care.
Redline doesn't care either. None of their oils are API.
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10/24/2008
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Enough already with all the nonsense.
The amsoil guy that was a site sponsor here for many
years left due to the childish behavior of a few.
He can be found here on a dodge truck site
that does not allow childish behavior:
http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=105
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Dan M
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10/24/2008
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If you're so firm in your belief in amsoil why not post under your real name?
Why hide as someone else? hmmm? i think it's because you don't use amsoil.
I don't use mobil 1 or amsoil. Take that!
I told santa steve that if he would send me a case, i would try it. I have not received my case o amsoil yet! I guarantee it won't improve the gas mileage in my truck. You can take that to the bank!
- Dan M
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10/24/2008
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"That is a misleading claim. Some companies use meaningless bench tests to demonstrate superior performance."
You are right. It does appear that Amsoil is lying. Unless you have some loose steel balls in your crankcase, what Mobil says is absolutely true.
If you do need Amsoil, because you have loose steel balls in your crankcase, you must be driving a Chevy. So what are you doing here?
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10/25/2008
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This Mobil 1 vs. Amsoil is REALLY getting old. If you think one is better than the other, use it and STFU ! You guys are worse than religious kooks that try to force feed their beliefs on other people that are just not interested. You destroyed the OT board, now you're trying to do the same to the General board. I guess, in your little zit popper minds, this is something you can take pride in. This is a DODGE DAKOTA site. If you want to want to argue, ad naseum, about lubricants, why don't you check out the BOB IS THE OIL GUY site.
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10/25/2008
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because STEVE IS THE [BETTER] OIL GUY with the BETTER (AMS)OIL!
Steve is the amsoil guy that was a site sponsor here for many
years but he left due to the childish behavior of a few.
He can be found here on a dodge truck site
that does not allow childish behavior:
http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=105
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FURMAN
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10/25/2008
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Who cares about Mobil1?
Mobil1 is no longer a premium oil.
They cheapened their formula for walmart.
Now it is pretend synthetic with weak additives.
Only to meet Walmarts price target for a jug of oil.
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Joe Public
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10/25/2008
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walmart shirts are from bangladesh.
walmart pet food is from china.
walmart mobil1 oil is from the middle east.
BUY AMSOIL AMD BUY AMERICAN MADE OIL
Amsoil can be found on another dodge truck site:
http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=105
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AmsoilSucks
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10/25/2008
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Thanks for proving that Amsoil, its fans and dealers are a bunch of crap.
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SERIOUS
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10/26/2008
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Thanks for proving that Amsoil flamers, bashers, and haters are a bunch of crap.
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