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crappydodge
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9/27/2007
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I have been to the dealer several times because of a clunking coming from my 2002 Dakota (bought new). The mechanics can't say if it's from the front or rear. Been happening since day one. I had my brake pads, rotors and all componets replaced several times (warping). Noise still there. Finally went in the other day and they said my rotors are rotted like I don't even drive the truck. Which I do, every day. They replaced brakes and rotors. They made the clunking noise, now even louder. Finally locked up and smoked like crazy. Couldn't drive the truck. The dealer said parts are being back ordered, maybe a parts redesign. Anyone hear about this? I am sick and tired of this truck, Dodge and the mechanics who say nothing is wrong.
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Been There
Dodge Dakota
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9/28/2007
01:13:02
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Something I've noticed about Dodge mechanics. If it doesn't throw a code that they can see with their scan tool, they can't find anything wrong, because that seems to be the only training they get.
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Well...
Dodge Dakota
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9/28/2007
05:31:53
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...unless you live under a rock, there must be a auto repair shop around you, take it to them/some one else. Second opinion...
IT AINT THE FRONT BRAKES, look somewhere else. Ball joints, control arms, bushings, drive line(s), differential(s), axial housing(s), shocks, rear brakes.
Is it 4x4, is it when you start from a stop, is it only when you come to a stop, or maybe something rolling around the bed?
Many questions, little info
Good Luck
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03 QC Sport +
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9/28/2007
09:28:26
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"WELL"
If his brakes are locked up and smoking what the hell else could it be but a brake problem?
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pete
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9/28/2007
10:14:20
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Might want to take a look yourself see your finds,Ask another mechanic to look at it document it down return to where you had your work done and FIX! IT! sounds like you got a good run around somebody f!ckup your truck and they don't want to take the blame seen it many of times if you take it to another shop preferable not a dealer tell them to inspect the whole brake assembly and hardware rotors,calipers, caliper slide pins and make sure your rotors were changed afer they said " they are rotted out" thats a new one for the books heard alot good bullsh!t out there in my days I would say could use that line if you found your truck in the field 100 yrs. down the road LOL... To many hurry up and get you in for service empty your wallet and send you down the road singing the blues... and angry...
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quack BK
Dodge Dakota
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9/28/2007
10:51:45
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Get a life you quacks
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OBIO3
Dodge Dakota
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9/28/2007
14:40:21
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I'm assuming you don't read these posts. Factory rotors are garbage and warping is a major issue on these trucks. If you can not do it yourself, go to a trusted non dealer shop and tell them you want good quality rotors installed. Have your ball joints checked and if there shot get after market replacements WITH GREASE ZERKS. Also have your universal joints checked. These are the most logical things that can cause the clicking problem
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Kowalski
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9/28/2007
15:16:21
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Yup, my rotors pretty much "rotted" too. A circular section on the inside face of each side delaminated, then the rough area quickly wiped out my pads at about 50,000. I'm pretty easy on brakes, this seemed to just be bad quality rotors.
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pete
Dodge Dakota
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9/28/2007
22:32:43
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sounds like a bad piece of fruit in terms of rotten away just think theres a better term for those rotors failing the delaminated term baffles me Ive heard of hot spots from hard braking,caliper not working properly could cause warpage and why are we need to"get a life quack"Grow up yourself might help yourself some.
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Kowalski
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9/29/2007
09:25:11
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"pete" - What part of delaminate do you not understand ? Laminations are layers, to delaminate is when a layer comes loose. I think "delaminate" describes what happened to my rotors better than "rotted" - but you don't seem to like either term. A strip of metal, about 1/2" wide within the area swept by the pad and all the way around the rotor came loose from my rotors - while the pads were still in good shape. Pads only about half worn; nowhere near the rivets when this started. Rotors where 7 years old, and otherwise in good shape. Then that rough, delaminating section wiped out my pads, which then wiped out what was left of the rotors. What term would you use to describe this ? I'd like to know the better term, if there is one. Let's ignore the "quack" comment for now - some guys are just here to bash others; and sometimes the best way to handle that can be to ignore them. This is something I'd seriously like to know.
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searay245se
Dodge Dakota
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9/29/2007
09:56:36
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maybe unlaminate lol delaminate would be right on i have had other cars in the past that have done that also and it does happen sometimes not only to daks its something to do with the when they make em temps aint right or not right mix of metals or just plain old cheap metal it seems that the cheaper these car companys get the more problems they have with this sort of things
jeff searay245se
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wilky
Dodge Dakota
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9/30/2007
01:19:51
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just a thought, you might want to check the proporsioning valve "i hope i got that right" to see if it lets fluid return to the master cylinder or maybe a pinched brake line. usualy happens to older vehicles not as new as yours but worth a check sometimes after seting for a while the pressure is released and brakes will free-up. also wondering if when the stealership replaced your rotors they checked or replaced your bearings and adjusted them correctly
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pete
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9/30/2007
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Kowalski,I might just be old school in catching up with some words Ive never heard in my days in the field as a mechanic.If some was defective it what manufacture defect to me on my days,I wouldn't go out of my way to use a complicated word to confuse the consumer and didn't want to come off as know ita pr!ck to them or to you just new to this word termology I am seeing on these posts.And now what you describe to me makes sense but my eyes I would see a defective material or process of assembly or generally sloppy manufacturing Agree with me ?? and to add cheap materials ...
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TexasTodd
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9/30/2007
17:20:49
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I'm aware of the brake problems on the Dakotas, been reading about them for years.
On my 2001, 4.7, manual, QuadCab, trailer pack, etc...............over 126,000miles
ORIGINAL BRAKES, ROTORS, PADS, FLUIDS, ETC.
Still stops great!
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Kowalski
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10/01/2007
08:43:07
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No pete; I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. To just call it a manufacturer's defect doesn't describe the problem as well as I did. I'm sorry you feel so defensive about your lack of grasp of the English language. "Delaminate" is not considered a complicated or confusing word among my freinds, who come from all different walks of life. Perhaps the next time you are baffled by a word that is too big for you, you could just grab a dictionary ?
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pete
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10/02/2007
10:11:50
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Well Kowalski not to be smar!ass did look up this word delaminate which states " seperation into constituent layers" OK with me but reading it tells me using brakes as the subject sounds like you are taking some amount brake pads,rotor away from the material its constructed and how fast these brake parts are going to fail and if the consumer comes in say before thinking they need brake work before routine maintenance and discovered this I would say its defective manufacturing with the materials or it was not right and dig into it to find the cause and see if it was defective or wear and tear and then discuss w/ my customer. Again agree and disagree with you after I thumbed through the dictionary and don't want to come off as a know it all I am still learning some good things you and many others on this website which Ive pass on to freinds thanks for bring me up to speed with some words I might use down the line somewhere in my repairs of being a ASE mechanic more hands getting dirty than book smart
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Kowalski
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10/02/2007
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I have no idea what you are disagreeing with, as the term I used simply describes HOW the part was defective. I agree the rotors were junk from the factory...
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pete
Dodge Dakota
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10/03/2007
09:40:37
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I guess I doubted what crappydodge had said on original post and he states this been happening since new here 5 yrs later just now have this issue thats what I dont get I think this what of happen back when it was new don't you think? I agree with you Kowalski in what your saying totally but I think his brakes went bad later than when new,Yes our trucks and many other mopars Ive see with similar issues bad rotors,calipers and even on rear brakes example when my pops had a 95' neon and rear brake hardware rusted up and spring let go and lock up his brakes thinking he had the emergancy brake on just another one for the books so if you hear your rear brakes squealing which is common don't ignore it moisture getting in there and slowly rusting away your brake hardware
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crappydodge
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10/04/2007
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My truck has had these problems from day one (brand new truck)brakes, rotors and caliplars were replaced several times, front and rear. The technicians don't know where the clunking is coming from but when they worked on the front brakes this last time the noise intensified leading me to think they are messing around the right area. this last time they replaced pads, rotors, calipars and the drivers side brake lines as they were damaged from the heat.
I'm tired bringing this truck to the shop! My nerves are wearing like my brakes.
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pete
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10/05/2007
11:46:38
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check your caliper mounting bolts be sure tight and not stripped out found on some brake jobs ive done in the past and be sure you don't have a worn out caliper seen this in many repairs to
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