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Scott Gerense
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6/25/2007
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I've been looking at Dakotas on eBay for the past few weeks. I want a basic truck to use for hauling around building materials, transporting my 4-wheeler, and for use in the crappy snowy weather we get in upstate NY winters.
Anyway, I bid on this on eBay and didn't think I'd actually win, but I did:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6196&viewitem=&item=110140161121
For some reason he canceled two bids that were over mine, which I find a little strange but he says its because they had less than 5 feedback and didn't contact him.
According to edmunds, $3K is a great price for a '98 SLT V8 4x4 with 100K miles. Sure its got some paint problems, I'm not too concerned about cosmetics. But does anyone here who knows more about Dakotas know if I might be looking at trouble? I'm a little concerned about his statement that the exhaust "leaks a little." Would my best bet be to take the truck into a dealer for a full inspection before handing over the cash? Any other advice anyone has? I've never owned a Dakota before, or any Dodge for that matter.
Thanks!
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Curly
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6/25/2007
15:22:34
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a good deal?
No
you stole it!
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CJ
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6/25/2007
15:48:23
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As long as nothing is terribly wrong with the truck that he is
hiding, you got a terrific deal, man.
Do it.
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Kowalski
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6/25/2007
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How good a deal you got will depend on what kind of shape it's really in. A leaky exhaust would be the least of my worries - did you buy this without seeing it in person first ? A bid on ebay is a usually a contract to buy something - not a contract to buy it if your satisfied with a full inspection at a dealer if you like it. I didn't check the auction - is there something about the terms of this specific auction that made you think you were only committed if you liked it when someone else checked it out ? you may have got a good deal, but I wouldn't be counting my chickens just yet...
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Scott G
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6/25/2007
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To be honest, I just placed the bid on the auction thinking there's no way I'd win it for $3K. At the time, I didn't notice the mention of the leaky exhaust. Later, I went back and noticed I was outbid, and figured oh well. I was surprised to see that upon ending I was the high bidder again! Apparently the seller had cancelled two bidders that had outbid me because they had <5 feedback, leaving me the high bidder. Seems questionable to me, but who knows, he did state in his terms that low/no feedback bidders need to contact him before bidding.
Anyhow, my mistake as far as shooting and asking questions later. I figure I'll pay the $500 deposit, get the truck checked out, and if there's anything really expensive wrong with it, I'll let him keep the $500, and we cancel the deal, otherwise I'll pay the remainder. Does that sound reasonable? I mean obviously he'd have to be willing to go for it as well, but it seems like either way he'd make out and at least it caps my loss at $500.
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70 IQ
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6/25/2007
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yur an idiot
you get a great deal but you really want to get screwed
unless he's lying, you lucked out
there ain't no pill for stupid
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Kowalski
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6/26/2007
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So, you'd want him to give up posession of his truck so you could take it who knows where and he risks that control for only one sixth of the auction money ? That sounds very reasonable for you - but not for him; and it's his truck. Good luck, and get ready for some negative feedback if you don't honor the contract you entered. He's a Dak owner; why would you expect us fellow Dak owners to favor you in this transaction ? That's the kind of thing you should have comunicated with him beforehand, if that was your intention. Ebay clearly states your bid is entering you into this contract; their auction site is not intended for people like you who don't seem to get that. Perhaps you should give up bidding on ebay until you mature ? People like you who make bids that aren't really serious only drive up the price of items for those of us who do bid seriously.
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Scott G
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6/26/2007
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What the hell do I care about negative feedback? First of all, I
definitely didn't drive up the price of the truck. Two people
outbid me and he cancelled those bids. The truck went for way
below market value, if anything he should be thrilled at the
chance to relist it UNLESS there really is something wrong with it.
If there is something wrong with it, I'll take a negative feedback
over a $1000 or more loss any day.
I don't expect anyone to "take my side," I posted here because I
don't know anything about Dakotas and I realized there might
be something that well-versed owners know about common
problems that crop up on these trucks, or might point me at
things to look out for.
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GB2000
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6/27/2007
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The way I see it and I'm gonna try and keep a neutral stance on the whole matter...
You placed a bid and won...by BIDDING...you are entering a contract to buy it if you end up being the winning bidder. If he mentioned that he wouldn't allow zero/low feedback bids without them contacting him first, then he has every right to cancel those bids and turning you into the winning bidder. The reasoning for that is because there are a TON of scammers out there on Ebay and that helps to prevent them. When we tried to sell my brother's car on there, one of those scammers ended up winning the auction and we had to relist it...plus we had to pay Ebay their cut for the auction the spammer won.
Now...if you see the truck in person and find out that he intentionally left out a lot of vital details, I do believe you have the right to refuse to pay for it. I think in that case, you two have to agree to mutually withdraw from the auction or something like that...otherwise one or both of you will end up with negative feedback. If he's a frequent seller, chances are he'll be more willing to mutually withdraw as negative feedback can really come back to bite him in the ass. If he described it completely (or completely enough to cover his ass), you're either gonna have to pay him...take the negative feedback...mutually withdraw...and if he refuses...he may have enough grounds to take you to court over it if he wants to.
Not positive that I have everything 100% accurate...but that's my $.02. If the truck is as described, you got a good deal. If you're gonna have doubts like this after an auction...you should really rethink before placing your bid.
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looser
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6/27/2007
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scott only has a 53 feedback with a 96% rating.
LOW on both counts.
looks like he have a history of winning a bid then walking away.
I would have cancelled your bid based on your history. Winning then asking questions, then not paying.
you didn't that great a deal so stop whining.
http://www.edmunds.com/used/1998/dodge/dakota/9522/options.html
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6/27/2007
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truck sounds like trouble to me . he didn't cancel the other bids. they backed out themselves.
yea, ya already got negative feedback as a non paying buyer so it's not new to you.
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Scott G
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6/27/2007
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I'm not sure why I'm even bothering to respond, but just thought I'd update.
1) He did cancel the people who outbid me, you can tell because they are cancellations not withdrawals, and he said he cancelled them.
2) I am buying the truck no matter what, well unless like GB2000 said I get there and theres something obviously wrong with the truck that he didn't describe. I have a great mechanic that works on a friend's vehicles (including his Dakota) to check out and fix anything thats necessary on the truck.
3) According to Edmunds, the 98 Dakota in question with 100K miles is worth $3833 in a private party sale in "Average" condition, which means "May have a few mechanical and/or cosmetic problems and may require a considerable amount of reconditioning." Sounds about right. I'd consider 22% below Edmunds target price to be a pretty good deal. Again, assuming no major undisclosed problems. The problems that were disclosed I can live with.
In any event, after talking extensively with the seller he seems to be a pretty upstanding guy so I have no problem finishing this transaction. Even if I were to "back out" I'd obviously cover the guy's eBay auction fees, which he had mentioned was no problem and no neg. feedback would be given (he seems to realize that he could probably get more for the truck on a relist).
I've already sent the deposit and I'm picking up the truck this Saturday.
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Kowalski
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6/27/2007
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Another person you affected was the one with the next bid lower than yours - who should have been the rightful winner of the auction, but was beat by a non serious bidder. Your negative feedback may come back to haunt you when someone doesn't accept your bid on something you really want. I sincerely hope it does - you don't seem to understand why what you are doing is wrong.
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70 IQ
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6/27/2007
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the seller seems to be a good person ======
In any event, after talking extensively with the seller he seems to be a pretty upstanding guy so I have no problem finishing this transaction. Even if I were to "back out" I'd obviously cover the guy's eBay auction fees, which he had mentioned was no problem and no neg. feedback would be given (he seems to realize that he could probably get more for the truck on a relist).
the buyer seems to be a LOOOOOOOSER and losers get screwed in the end.
IT'S CALLED KARMA, LOOK IT UP
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mccamp
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6/28/2007
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Why are you guys picking on Scott? Is there some outside issue why you dont like him or something?
A $500 deposit = a deposit. If you pay that and then dont like the car, then you dont have to buy it. A deposit is an insurance policy for the seller. Ebay understands people buy things across the country and if their is an obvious flaw with the vehicle that was not disclosed, then Scott should be able to demand his money back even on his deposit. Apparently you all dont use Ebay very often. No one should feel pressured into buying someone elses junk just because they bid, if there was a misrepresentation. On a positive note, most people are quite honest about Ebay and you usually get what is stated. Good luck Scott, hoope it is what you were looking for. To everyone else, you are pretty pessimistic about Ebay and the rest of your fellow americans.
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Kowalski
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6/28/2007
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mccamp - you are mistaken. Your bid enters you into a contract to buy the item if you win the auction; not simply an option to buy the item if you like it. That is why it is important for buyers to ask questions beforehand - if they are expecting what you seem to expect here; as that is simply not the way ebay is supposed to work. You have some misconceptions here; take it from a guy with a 100% positive feedback rating after 84 transactions. Scott is very lucky the seller is willing to work with him on this. True, no one will make you buy something if you don't like it after you see it and have paid your deposit, but he is still violating the terms of the agreement and possible screwing up the auction for the next lowest bidder if the seller decides to relist the item instead of offering it to that bidder; or if it screws up the time frame that bidder hoped to have the item. This is unfair and against ebay's rules; that's why those who understand this rightly consider him to be less than reputable. His lack of character is reflected in his less than perfect feedback rating.
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Scott G
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6/28/2007
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Kowalski you sound like a total putz. Are you telling me if you bid on something on eBay that turned out to be damaged upon receipt, or otherwise was not as described in the auction, that you'd just say "oh well, I bid, I entered a contract, what can I do." I highly doubt that. Advertising something as being in "as-is" condition doesn't even get you off the hook, there's plenty of laws on the books to support that (i.e. if you know about a material defect in a product you are selling and do not disclose it you cannot just hide behind the fact that you're selling it 'as-is').
You act like eBay sellers are God, and their word is final. "Scott is very lucky the seller is willing to work with him on this." WTF is that supposed to mean? I'm lucky? You act like he just bestowed upon me the greatest fortune and I should thank my lucky stars that the seller is being benevolent, when he could have chosen to cast me down to hell, kidnap my firstborn, and pee on my dog. Whats the worst that could happen? OOOH, I get negative feedback. Wow, thats really going to hurt!
Lets go back to my hypothetical. Lets say you bought an item on ebay for $500 and it arrived completely dead on arrival. You insist the seller takes it back, but he won't, and claims "hey you entered a contract!" He says that if you try to do a chargeback or get your money back through PayPal, he'll give you negative feedback. What are you going to do then? Are you going to bow down to the feedback gods and lose your $500 because you don't want to risk a big bad negative feedback mark? I doubt it, unless you really are a complete putz.
Nobody else is looking out for you, you gotta look out for yourself if you don't want to get screwed. And I think its quite obvious thats the only thing I'm trying to avoid here, being SCREWED. I can handle a truck thats a little ugly, that needs some work to look good or needs some tuning up. I will not however risk getting screwed out of thousands of dollars to protect myself from a negative feedback, and any sane person who wasn't dropped on their head repeatedly as a child would do the same.
Oh, and it bears repeating I HAVE PAID THE DEPOSIT ON THIS TRUCK ALREADY AND I'M PICKING IT UP SATURDAY! So again, I haven't "screwed up" anyone bidding below me or anything of that sort that you keep going on about. All my talk about "backing out" of the auction and whatnot is ONLY in the case that the truck is "significantly not as described" to use eBay/PayPal's wording in dispute cases.
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jeff j
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6/28/2007
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scott you screwed two other sellers per your ebay record.
you have a history as a non - payer after you win the auction. i agee with 70iq, you're a loser
I would have cancelled your bid
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dcdak
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6/28/2007
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mcmann you said
A $500 deposit = a deposit. If you pay that and then dont like the car, then you dont have to buy it. A deposit is an insurance policy for the seller.
your an idiot too. a deposit is "good faith" money not a reason to walk.
You probably think it is all right to jump bond/bail if you think you will be found guilty in the trial.
kids....................................
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Scott G
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6/28/2007
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Maybe I should reconsider buying this truck if being a dakota
owner somehow makes you an arrogant prick with the reading
comprehension level of an 8-year-old.
Lets go over a few more points:
1) My two negs are both from sellers who ARE NO LONGER
REGISTERED USERS. What does that tell you? They were both
scammers that got shut down by eBay. Are you idiots going to
REALLY go ahead and tell me that you would go through with a
transaction with a scammer just to avoid negative feedback?
Really? What the %#@! is negative feedback worth to you? How
much money are you willing to lose to not get a neg? $500?
$1000? More?
2) How many times do I have to repeat that I have been in full
communication with the seller of the truck and I am confident
that the transaction will go through smoothly. However, of
course, IF THERE WERE ANY MATERIAL MISREPRESENTATIONS in
the auction, I reserve the right to not complete the sale. Thats
simply common sense. The seller more or less agreed and said
that I'm off the hook if he didn't describe the truck accurately,
and said he's confident the truck is in sound mechanical
condition as he described. Are you going to tell me if you
bought a vehicle on eBay, got there and realized it wouldn't even
start, that you'd go through with the transaction because, hey,
the guy said it was "as-is!" Better bring a tow truck next time!
I mean seriously who the hell peed in y'alls cheerios?
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GetReal
Dodge Dakota
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6/28/2007
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KAWALSKI, WHY DONT YOU JUST SHUT THE FUC UP AND LEAVE THE GUY ALONE. THIS GUY IS ABSOLUTELY NOT LEGALLY BINDED TO THIS AUCTION SINCE HE WAS OUT BID AND THE SELLER CANCELLED THE OVER BIDS. SO SHUT THE FUC UP AND STICK TO SNOW PLOWING. DIC HEADS LIKE YOU RUIN THIS PLACE FOR PEOPLE NEEDING HELP. AND SCOTT, THE DEAL ON THE TRUCK IS ONLY A DEAL AS LONG AS YOUR SATISFIED.
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