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daddio
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5/24/2007
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of how my '00 QC would perform if i transplanted a 3.8l turbo buick engine with 275hp/360tq into it. 15lbs.of boost on pump gas. 20 yr old technology that can still kick serious butt against todays tech.
oh well, it's time to get back to work now. maybe one day.
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clint282cc
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5/24/2007
15:57:02
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that would be sweet. i pop a bonner whenever i see the video of the twin turbo 5.2
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Kowalski
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5/24/2007
17:11:00
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Those are quick in lighter cars; do you know what the torque curve looks like for use in a heavy QC though ? Where most of the torque is available will matter a lot more than the peak number for that aplication.
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daddio
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5/24/2007
17:22:54
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yeah, they move the 3400# regal pretty good. around 13.xx stock, 12's or better with less than 1 grand. anyway i think the peak torque is around 3200rpm. it's just daydreaming anyway as the title states. i have a much lighter car (2800lbs) for that powerplant when the time comes.
the main point i wanted to make is, that in 20 yrs technology has done nadda for performance or fuel mileage.
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Kowalski
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5/24/2007
18:37:14
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There's been some gains lately with vatiable valve timing; and with closer tolerances/lighter oils - but I basically agree. Seems they should be able to do better. I can see a fair bit of progress looking back another 10-15 years though - when pollution control was tacked on; rather than designed in. My second car was a 350 Cutlass - about a thousand pounds lighter than my truck, and 55 less peak hp despite a full liter more displacement. Yet it got about 3 mpg (20%) less. I think of that when I hear people complain how "bad" their truck's milage is. So we've made some gains, but more would be nice.
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Dan M
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5/24/2007
20:01:17
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One of my sister's first car was a 1985 dodge aries k with the 4 banger. That car would definately not win any races but it did get about 45 mpg.
And honda is touting their hybrids. Dodge was getting that kind of gas milage on regular gas over 20 years ago. Kind of sad and pathetic.
- Dan M
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BlackKotalac
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5/24/2007
23:47:08
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i wanna daydream about a dodge dakota version of the gmc syclone which is an all wheel drive turbo'd 4.3L pickup 270hp/370tq 1/4 mile time 13.1 stock and 0-60 4.8 seconds all timed in the rain. now that is impressive and even more it was only built in 1991 and 3 were built in 1992 only color just like the buick gn they came in black! god if i could get my hands on one those syclones better yet if i could turn my truck into a syclone!
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TexasTodd
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5/26/2007
03:43:52
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Daddio,
My 4.7 QC manual tranny,
normally aspirated,
gets about those numbers right now.
Dynoed the way I daily drive it,
227 RWHP, 300 RWTQ
01, 4.7, manual, LSD rear
true CAI
ported 68mm TB
HO intake, HO cams
no belt driven fan clutch or fan
NO third cat
Superchips tuner
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daddio
Dodge Dakota
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5/26/2007
10:23:14
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todd, i guess 227/300i about 275/360. but i am talking about only 3.8l v6. and a grand more in parts would be way more than that. enough to put a 3400# car into the high 11's.
i still don't think tecnology has done what it could do to maximize efficiency of the good ole internal combustion engine.
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TexasTodd
Dodge Dakota
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5/27/2007
05:01:41
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maybe so daddio,
technology? nearly all vehicles are a comprimise, of maximaizing profit.
ALL vehicles should have forced inductiuon, etc.
The diesel makers figured that our along time ago.
Talk about seeing aftermarket gains-the diesel is awesome. Todays diesel pickups don't even pour visible smoke out of the exhaust like the old ones did.
Will this V6 handle 15lbs of boost very long?
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daddio
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5/27/2007
15:13:04
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"Will this V6 handle 15lbs of boost very long?"
all day long. that's factory boost levels
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TexasTodd
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5/29/2007
22:25:28
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Well, I haven't owned or built any forced induction engines...yet.
Sounded like alot to me.
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jayb
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5/31/2007
18:15:26
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the 3.8L gm engine was one of the best v6's ever. rock solid as the 4.3 and they put a turbo on it for the GN. badazz v6 if you ask me.
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daddio
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5/31/2007
21:03:54
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actually a buick designed engine and turboed since '78. also way more solid than the 4.3 chebby design.
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