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5/17/2007
19:22:29

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I was on my way home from work this afternoon and pulled up at the light beside what I thought was a Regular Ram. I jumped it a little sitting there and he accepted immediately wasn’t quite a whole Quarter Mile and he smoked me by a good 6 truck lengths. We happened to be going to the same McDonalds so we started to chat. Come to find out I never stood a chance he had a Cummings diesel all Moded out. I couldn’t believe the Horsepower he said he was pushing 500 horses and 600 pounds of torque unreal I want one. My 285 horse Dakota had nothing for him from the start. He did say he was impressed with my little truck that he smokes fords by about 10 trucks. I think he just felt sorry for me lol.



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5/17/2007
21:59:51

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Ill feel sorry for you the day you kill someone by road racing ...... don't be a moron.... take it to the track not the street.....



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5/17/2007
22:57:13

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Didnt you hear the cummings running. Those cummings can be bad engines. They had one on trucks and with just $2500 bucks worth of stuff had it running 800 hp and 1200ftlbs. Downside is there is no way that drivetrain is gonna take power like that for long.



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5/17/2007
23:13:20

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It's Cummins not Cummings.....



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5/17/2007
23:19:32

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yeah my buddy has a chip on his 05. its fast. but not as fast as my truck. it keeps up though and for a 9klbs truck... thats fast.



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5/18/2007
00:46:22

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depends on the chip, some chips do not offer much for HP
there is a new one out there called "Scary Larry" from Bully dog
supposedly it will give increases of up to like 280 hp. Only available on the 04.5 and up because it needs the third injection event

Contrary to advertising and some popular belief
BANKS SUCKS. they may have the sidewinder and whatnot, but the $/hp ratio is REALLY REALLY high compared to others

and 500 hp and 600 tq numbers cant possibly be correct
they come with 610 tq from the factory, and 315 hp
he was probably closer to the 900-1100 tq range with 500 hp
with my edge chip and everything else stock im fairly sure i could hit a 15.0 quarter mile if i turn off the defueling

trannys are really the only thing you need to upgrade for over 80hp from factory
a valve body and tourque converter will hold you to 500hp. After that you will need billet shafts and a flex plate
the 48RE can be built to handle anything really. there are sled pullers and just guys with 1000+ hp and not even sure on tq because they max out the dynos. and they are running built up 48REs

with my edge chip i can run 100 additional HP from the factory, but because my lift pump cant keep up, and my tranny wont be able to keep up i can only turn it up to lvl 3 which is 60 added hp. once in a while to 80hp and that is very rare

it is fun taking people by surprise though, i know i can obliterate my dakota, which will obliterate my little brothers 2000 Ram 5.9

so yeah, watch out for the diesel guys, you may run into one of the few guys running close to 800hp on diesel alone, no NO2 or propane or water/methanol

1990 sport RC SB, 1995 318drivetrain, 3.92 gears (came with truck) Powertrax "traction system", 95 dash/steering wheel, hearthrob exhaust, headers, cutout after y-pipe, necessary electric fan add-a-leafs, 30x9.5 mud tires, cranked T-bars, AR 39 15x8 rims, grill guard, roll bars

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5/18/2007
06:48:05

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I guess the future of hot rodding is with the diesel. Different sound and smell, but the lure is g-force to the back of the seat. Audi plays tiddleywinks with the field with their diesel LeMans car. Banks' 222 mph diesel Dakota still holds some records, I guess. For all-around daily fun, I'll keep my American gas V-8 for now.



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5/18/2007
19:24:15

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I had my windows up and the radio on so didnt hear anything.When I was talking to the fella he was Kinda young and did seem like he didnt quite know what he had.Heck it coulda been dads truck and stock and he still woulda wooped me.But after I was out it was a considerable amount bigger then a ram shoulda been paying attention.



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5/19/2007
02:33:13

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he would not have whooped you stock

stock they run like a 17 or so sec 1/4 depending on the year

and he must not have known what he was talking about if he said 500hp and 600 tq

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5/19/2007
09:59:58

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You said he was way off on the torque didnt you?



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5/20/2007
15:39:25

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"and 500 hp and 600 tq numbers cant possibly be correct
they come with 610 tq from the factory, and 315 hp
he was probably closer to the 900-1100 tq range with 500 hp"
not all cummins came like that. the older 12v's had 190 hp. the 24v had more. because of the awesome low end on the 12v, it actually took the 24v off the line. I think the older 12v which ended somewhere around 96, was the better diesel because it had more low end than the newer ones.



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5/20/2007
19:36:30

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Ya but u have to rememeber TQ is easy to gain out of a diesel. HP is hard to get out of a diesel as the engines are just not high reving engines.
I would be more impressed if dodge could put a diesel in the dakota but how many times has that been said



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5/21/2007
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yes i know they all dont come 600 from the factory, they newer ones do
Mine in an 03 and came with 305 hp and 555tq
my older brothers is also an 03
250hp and 460tq
03 also had a California version that was 235hp and like 430 tq,(not sure on the tq of that one)

the switch from 12v to 24v was in mid 1998
the late 12 valves were in some ways better than the early 24v
is it easier to mod a 12v, no, you can adjust the fuel plate, or put a new one in and get more power from the factory, but you cant adjust the pump and get the same results as you can by putting programers and boxes on a common rail

BUT, i still say the 500hp and 600 tq was way off, cummins will almost always do twice as much tq as HP, once you get into really high hp it changes, but most of the time is a 1:2 ratio

and the common rail is starting to creep up on the 12v as far as the hp wars go, there are getting to be more and more 1000hp common rails. 1000hp 12v are common

which would you take to drive daily?
12v with 1000hp or a common rail with 1000 hp
i would take the CR
i hear the high hp 12v are difficult to drive on the street, where as the CR you can simply detune them by pushing a few buttons


1990 sport RC SB, 1995 318drivetrain, 3.92 gears (came with truck) Powertrax "traction system", 95 dash/steering wheel, hearthrob exhaust, headers, cutout after y-pipe, necessary electric fan add-a-leafs, 30x9.5 mud tires, cranked T-bars, AR 39 15x8 rims, grill guard, roll bars

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5/21/2007
01:29:49

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oh yeah
why cant i get anyone to race me in my diesel?
everytime im looking for a race nobody wants to play :(

1990 sport RC SB, 1995 318drivetrain, 3.92 gears (came with truck) Powertrax "traction system", 95 dash/steering wheel, hearthrob exhaust, headers, cutout after y-pipe, necessary electric fan add-a-leafs, 30x9.5 mud tires, cranked T-bars, AR 39 15x8 rims, grill guard, roll bars

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5/21/2007
10:52:40

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i myself am not too interested in a 1000hp diesel. i dont have a need for that on the street.
and about putting a diesel in the american dakota, i dont see that happening. they probably think it isnt necessary. i think it would be a high selling point.



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5/21/2007
13:04:35

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well, they are on the way for the 1500 and the durango
but i dont see them putting it in the dakota, they always seem to screw over the dakota


1990 sport RC SB, 1995 318drivetrain, 3.92 gears (came with truck) Powertrax "traction system", 95 dash/steering wheel, hearthrob exhaust, headers, cutout after y-pipe, necessary electric fan add-a-leafs, 30x9.5 mud tires, cranked T-bars, AR 39 15x8 rims, grill guard, roll bars

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5/21/2007
13:36:05

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not always, back in the early 90's the dakota was a good truck. now, its a piece of sh!t.



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5/22/2007
01:22:46

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"not always, back in the early 90's the dakota was a good truck. now, its a piece of sh!t."

roger that
thats why i did not opt for a dakota on my last 2 trucks

1990 sport RC SB, 1995 318drivetrain, 3.92 gears (came with truck) Powertrax "traction system", 95 dash/steering wheel, hearthrob exhaust, headers, cutout after y-pipe, necessary electric fan add-a-leafs, 30x9.5 mud tires, cranked T-bars, AR 39 15x8 rims, grill guard, roll bars

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