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Mopar _Man
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1/09/2007
14:11:37
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I have a question concerning 5w20 motor oil.My daughter has a honda civic and I do her oil changes .Honda reccomends 5w20 for her vehicle .I use 5w30 in all our other vehicles.Do you think it would damage the engine in the honda or hinder performance if I switched to 5w30.
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ddd
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1/09/2007
16:04:44
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My daughter owns a Honda Civic. Honda's latest mission is better gas mileage. They have been using lower viscosity engine oils to help maximize efficiencies. Use 5w20.
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1/10/2007
08:36:33
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Mopar_Man,
I am in agreement with "ddd". 5w-20 motor oils are fuel-efficient motor oils which are a requirement in many 2001 or newer Honda vehicles. The engine was designed for 5w-20 and IMHO I would use a 5w-20.
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02DAK
Dodge Dakota
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1/10/2007
09:32:48
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If it calls for 5w20, then use it. I use the Amsoil 5w20 in my Town & Country which calls for it.
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1/10/2007
12:38:48
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You know, sometimes the obvious answer is the easiest answer and that is why I recommended you stick with 5w-20 ... but now I have given it more thought and have additional comments. That and the fact '02DAK mentioned a Town and Country.
KEEP THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT IN MIND WHEN READING BELOW
*** Increased fuel economy when using a 5w-20 compared to a 0w-30, 5w-30 or 10w-30 viscosity motor oil is *** VIRTUALLY UNDETECTABLE *** to the average motorist. ***
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One of the main reasons 5w-20 was specified for your engines (Honda and Ford -- and even Daimler-Chrysler) is to increase the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy or the combined average fuel economy of ALL of a vehicle manufacturers product line). Auto manufacturers faces big fines if the fleet of cars/trucks it produces falls short of the CAFE requirements imposed upon them by the federal government. When you average millions of vehicles the report might indicate a “slight“ increase in CAFE … but it is *** VIRTUALLY UNDETECTABLE *** with just one test vehicle.
FRICTION AND WEAR RISKS … for the small increase in CAFE?
5w-20 oil is a lighter viscosity oil and therefore has less internal engine frictional losses, or less drag on the crankshaft, pistons and valvetrain, which in turn promotes increased fuel economy – but only a very slight increase.
Do thinner oils have less drag, and therefore LESS FRICTION and WEAR? ... PERHAPS NOT. Maybe in the test engine or engines that experience normal operation. But somewhat thicker oils may offer more protection for more severe operations such as driving through mountains, pulling a boat, dusty conditions, short trips, high rpm, overloading, overheating and overcooling. REMEMBER THIS WHEN YOU MAKE A VISCOSITY DECISION. 5w-20 may be a SHORT TERM solution to automakers CAFE concerns. As wear increases, the efficiency of an engine declines. Valve train wear slightly changes valve timing and movement. Ring and liner wear affect compression. LONG TERM the wear hurts fuel efficiency and power output. Efficiency continues to decline as wear progresses. Perhaps optimizing wear protection is the way to reduce fuel consumption over the life of the engine ... the LONG TERM.
Just something to think about.
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IN CONCLUSION: We recommend 5w-20 for vehicles that call for a 5w-20. However there are customers using AMSOIL Series 2000 0W-30 Severe Service in this application with excellent results.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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DSW
Dodge Dakota
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1/10/2007
14:22:00
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Mopar_Man,
I had a 92 Civic and drove the piss out of it, 330K miles in 10 years. I can't remember what oil they said to run in it (probably 10w30 or 5w30), but I used Castrol Syntec 5w50. Never had a oil related problem and still got 35-40MPG,,, with a ton of work crap loaded into the car.
I'm not saying to use Castrol Syntec 5w50 (they chaned the oil since then), but I seriously doubt bumping up to 5w30 from 5w20 is going to hurt anything,,, engine or mileage.
However, if it's under warranty I would stick to Honda's recomendations, wouldn't want them to deny a warranty repair because you didn't use thier specified oil.
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1/11/2007
05:55:55
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DSW,
Your '92 Civic called for a 5w-30. I'm happy to hear that you drove it 330K miles in 10 years, but I would never recommend to anyone that they use a 50 wt. oil in an engine that calls for a 30 wt. oil. You were lucky that you did not have complications.
You stated that your Honda was a 1992 which means that it was manufactured 15 years ago. Engine design has changed dramatically in 15 years and today's engines put more stress on the oil.
Therefore, and per my earlier post: We recommend 5w-20 for vehicles that call for a 5w-20. However there are customers using AMSOIL Series 2000 0W-30 Severe Service in this application with excellent results.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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DSW
Dodge Dakota
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1/12/2007
01:09:56
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"I'm not saying to use Castrol Syntec 5w50"
I didn't recommend it, just related that using a heavier oil isn't always a bad thing. Sure you don't want a straight 50 weight in the arctic, but most MFG's recommend to run a heavier weight oil in high temperatures,,, like in the desert where it can go past 125 degrees. Though it isn't 125 degrees out right now...
I don't think I was lucky, but if I was,,, I was just as lucky as all the other people who used Castrol Syntec 5w50 in thier vehicles not recommended for a 50 weight oil.
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Shatto
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1/12/2007
01:44:53
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DSW,
Heavy weight oil won't make much difference at the crankshaft but may where tolerances are smaller.
For example, some modern engines rely on a spray of oil onto the underside of the piston for cooling, and heavy oil can't properly spray.
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ur pathetic
Dodge Dakota
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1/12/2007
01:50:49
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the constant amsoil spamming on this board is really gettting pathetic
and everyone sits back and says nothing???
you men or mice?
& PS steve (amsoil spammer) & shatto are one in the same
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Shatto
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1/12/2007
02:21:37
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ur pathetic,
Yeh, we cause you to have fits, but the information is still accurate.
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Kowalski
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1/12/2007
08:23:59
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"ur pathetic" - he's not spamming the board; but you are. He helps to sponsor this site. If you are so righteous, why don't you use your usual screen name ?
Lead, follow, or get out of the way
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DakotaEnthusiast
1/12/2007
08:39:28
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Thank you Kowalski.
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Mopar_Man and everyone else:
The Importance of VISCOSITY
All metal engine parts need to be separated from each other while moving in order to prevent friction and wear on the parts. This in done in modern production engines using a thin film of oil (usually less than 1/10,000 of an inch thick). Oil’s viscosity, in part, determines how thick a film the oil will form between moving parts, and how much friction there will be between those parts when separated by the oil.
WARNING (or A WORD OF CAUTION)
Higher viscosity means thicker oil films and more friction within the oil. Obviously, one wants a viscosity high enough to prevent parts from grinding against each other, but no higher than that, because any more results in excessive friction within the oil, leading to excess heat and power loss. The ideal oil would provide the minimum required viscosity under all conditions.
For more information on VISCOSITY visit this thread:
http://dakota-durango.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12765
(sorry, but you have to copy and past because html is disabled)
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Thank you and I hope this helps everyone.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils, Lubricants, Filtration, and Truck Care Products
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mice
Dodge Dakota
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1/12/2007
10:45:33
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your mice he heards you in like litle sheep!
and like a moth to a flame you follow and believe everything he tells you! no! your pathetic!
grow some marbles
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question
Dodge Dakota
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1/12/2007
10:55:47
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oil too thick = too much heat = sludging problems?
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Pugsy
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1/12/2007
11:29:31
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Hey spammer...were you away that day in kindergarten when they taught us how to read?? Where in this tread does anyone talk about Amsoil??
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Super bee
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1/12/2007
13:22:47
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ive seen one amsoil product listed
besides, if you dont like Steve on the boards i suggest you either
A) buy a membership
B) sponsor the site yourself
C) shut up
1990 sport RC SB, 1995 318drivetrain, 3.92 gears (came with truck) Powertrax "traction system", 95 dash/steering wheel, hearthrob exhaust, headers, cutout after y-pipe, necessary electric fan add-a-leafs, 30x9.5 mud tires, cranked T-bars, AR 39 15x8 rims, grill guard, roll bars
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ow yea
Dodge Dakota
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1/15/2007
22:44:33
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that a boy super bee bend down pucker up
and kiss away!
you brown nose-azz kissing-gutless wonder
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get_a_life
Dodge Dakota
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1/16/2007
12:22:11
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yo flamer - look in the mirror.
a "gutless wonder" is someone that posts without registering
a "gutless wonder" is someone that flames registered (paying) members
a "gutless wonder" is someone that flames site sponsors
Word/Phrase: "Gutless Wonder"
Main Definition: coward
Part of Speech: noun
Secondary Definition: afraid person
Synonyms: alarmist, A$$, A$$-hole, baby, big baby, butt, chicken, chicken-heart, coward, cream puff, cry baby, doormat, drip, faint-of-heart, fraidy cat, invertebrate, jellyfish, lily-liver, mama’s boy, misfit, mouse, namby-pamby, nerd, pansy, pantywaist, paper tiger, pushover, pessimist, punk, quitter, sad sack, scaredy-cat, shirk, sissy, softy (or softie), skulker, sneak, sucker, tenderfoot, tool, turkey, weak sister, weakling, wimp, wuss, wussy, yellow, yellow-belly
Flamer - YOU ARE THE GUTLESS WONDER!
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get_a_life
Dodge Dakota
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1/16/2007
16:24:34
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AND ..................................
if you dont like Steve on the boards i suggest you either:
A) buy a membership
B) sponsor the site yourself
C) shut up
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ahahahaha
Dodge Dakota
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1/16/2007
20:18:56
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"get_a_life" you moron
you took all that time to make that big post
and your telling someone else they need to get a life? LMFAO
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