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buzzboy
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7/31/2006
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I'm replacing brake pads on an 03 QC. Trucks got 44k on it. Wondering if I should replace rotors too. Any one have advice on visual signs to look for if they have to be replaced? I was hoping to push the rotors to 50 or 60k. Any one else had to change rotors this early on thier Dakota?
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Kowalski
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7/31/2006
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Usually you go by how thick they are, you don't want them to get too thin. You must brake a lot more than me - I don't rack up a lot of milage, live close to work. My '00 pads were still good at 55,00; but here's something for those of you in the "rust belt" to watch for - my rotors started delaminating a strip on the inside of the rotor about the middle of the pad (still at least 50 % of the pad was left) while on vacation - a little rusty strip about an inch wide, all the way around the rotor. I figured ok, I'll do a brake job as soon as I get home; and babied the brakes, doing most of the braking with the camper brakes on the way home. Well, the small bad strip quickly wiped out the right inner pad, which then took out what was left of the inside of that tender rotor - almost down to the cooling fins when I got home. Wiped out the caliper too. Truck now feels like its stopping better than ever with new Bendix rotors and their top of the line pads - but it was scary how quickly the road chemical damaged stockers went to hell. Anyone seeing this kind of damage on their rotors should swap them out ASAP !
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DSW
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8/01/2006
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I replaced my F&R pads and turned the rotors at 36K on my 03 QC because of brake squeel. The stock pads still had plenty of material left, but the anti-squeel stuff on the back of the pad was gone and causing all sorts of annoying noises.
I used Wagner Thermo-Quiet pads on the front and rear and have had yet to hear any brake noise. I did turn the front rotors at 70K because one of them was causing some vibration, but just had the rotors turned and used the same pads since they weren't grooved. Still stopping good and no noise at 80K.
I wouldn't replace the rotors, just have them turned and replace with high quality pads. Another reason not to replace the rotors too quickly,,, the 03's have BIG rotors and they cost $$$
BTW, I tow a couple times a month, so the brakes on the truck aren't babied. Nicer brakes on the 03's compared to the earlier years with smaller brakes, much better than my 00 CC.
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shatto
Dodge Dakota
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8/01/2006
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If your brakes stop you straight, and there is no pulsating or vibration. And if there is not an obvious great wearing of the rotor, I'm not talking about the normal groves, what I do is throw new pads on and drive away. They seat fairly soon and braking should be as before.
Be sure to liberally lubricate the slides and points where the pads, yes, the metal part, touches. Every 30 to 40,000 miles is great.
Wear depends on your driving. I do a mess of freeway and surface street, but not a lot of commute driving and my rotors last over 100,000 miles. Ah, yes, a good time to change brake fluid too.
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Bob Lincoln
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8/01/2006
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Rotors should ALWAYS either be turned or replaced, depending on condition. It's the only way to ensure that they are true and braking is even and safe. Anything less is a gamble.
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ricardcapecod
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8/01/2006
10:26:08
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I`d never turn any rotor. The only reasons to do it, is if it is pulsating. If pulsation occurs, is because it is worped.
In most cases it worps because it is all read too thin and can`t tolerate heat.
By turning the rotors, it gets thiner and more likely to worp again much faster this time.
I did not have to do any break work until 75k miles, when i replaced the shoes and put on some much better groved rotors, that was only a few dollars more than the O.E.
Don`t waste your money on turning rotors.
This is a thing from the past.
Today`s rotors are designed to last as much as the shoes in most cases.
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Bryan
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8/01/2006
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First, SHOES are on drum brakes and PADS are on disc brakes.
Turning a rotor costs about $15 each at a local shop. If you want to turn them, thats up to you. Will it make your stopping safer? I am not an expert but I would imagine your stopping distance would decrease but you shouldn't tailgate anyway.
I do not turn rotors because i don't feel that it is that big of a deal. The new pads seat pretty quick. If I feel like the rotors need turning, they probably could stand to be replaced. At ~$30 each why waste the time of turning and whose to say that they are not inherently unsafe after making them thinner than what the manufacturer originally spec'd them to be?
It's a matter of personal opinion. A gamble, not in MY opinion but then again who am I to say?
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ricardcapecod
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8/01/2006
11:33:10
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Oh! ya... pads, not shoes.
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Adam
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8/01/2006
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Are you saying you found rotors for $30 a piece? Because right now everytime I apply the breaks there's the annoying vibration and it's not getting any better. I need new rotors but the $140/pair plus the time is holding me back.
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Bryan
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8/01/2006
14:15:51
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O'Reilly Auto Parts For The Win!!
Brakebest Rotors are $26.99 each for my 97 CC 3.9 4x4!!!
Stop shopping at the dealership and you will see a huge difference in what you pay!
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shatto
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8/01/2006
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When I replaced rotors, my mechanic insisted on turning them. Why? The factory does such a sloppy job they were lumpy.
I've been lucky I guess. Managed to take my 98 500,000 miles and only had the new pads turned.
As I said; if your braking was good before, it'll be good with new pads, after they seat.
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Ronder
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8/01/2006
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I love my 'frozen rotors'
NO MORE WorpING!!!!
It's the way to Go!!
http://www.frozenrotors.com/
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eddy
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8/01/2006
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I just replaced both my front pads and front rotors at 45000 miles. If you've still got the stock ones on there, replace them. If they haven't already warped even a little yet, it's almost guarenteed that they will by 60-80,000 miles unless you brake like there's an egg under the pedal at all times, an unrealistic notion if you live in a normal urban area where people drive like they just heard they only have 1 week to live.
My first set warped at 7800 miles most of which was all highway road trips with the cruise control on. My second set that the dealer put on for free started feeling funny at 12K, then kept going back and fourth between feeling good and causing a steering wheel wobble for several thousand miles. At 45000 miles it got too irritating for me to bare and I just had a complete front brake job with pads and rotors. I figured, better to replace these piece of sh!t MOPAr brakes now than to waste money having them turned then spend even more money replacing them 10,000 miles later.
I had rotors turned on my other vehicle, but that was a 95 Ranger with thicker stock rotors of a better material and the original ones were still on the truck at 107 thousand miles, behaving fine after having been turned once. On my DAK I had it planned from the beginning, I took one free rotor replacement and my next brake job everything was gonna get replaced. In my opinion any GEN 3 Dakota that still has stock rotors, the first brake job the rotors should be junked and replaced no matter what.
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Bryan
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8/01/2006
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130,000 miles on my rotors and still running strong!!!
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Bob Lincoln
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8/02/2006
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"At ~$30 each why waste the time of turning and whose to say that they are not inherently unsafe after making them thinner than what the manufacturer originally spec'd them to be?" This is ignorance. The factory rotors are thick enough to allow turning to remove up to .060 inches and still be at the minimum safe thickness. That's typically two turnings before they are at the minimum.
Conversely, many Chinese rotors are $11-$25 each because they START at the minimum thickness and are below it as soon as you cut into the rotors.
Turning is NOT a thing of the past; obviously, detailed automotive knowledge is. With ANY wear, rotors are no longer true and have grooves cut into them, sufficient to justify turning with every pad replacement. If they are not turned or replaced, you are NOT getting optimal pad contact, and in fact will cause the ridges between grooves to cut into your pads, shortening their life and degrading their effectiveness.
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zzark
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8/02/2006
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Amen Bob.
zzark
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Bryan
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8/02/2006
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Well said, Bob! Now who mentioned that turning was a thing of the past? Oh, you made that part up to justify a witty statement you had! Good job indeed!
Face it...this is a matter of personal choice and willingness to take a chance and spend more money on pads. I think it is safe to say that all in this forum have mentioned that they are okay with the wear caused by grooves and really feel like changing the rotors is not necessary, IN THEIR OPINION. Get over yourself and stop trying to insult folks with statements like "Turning is NOT a thing of the past; obviously, detailed automotive knowledge is."
We know it is out of spec and we take that chance willingly. So calm down.....its a forum, not a soap box.
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Adam
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8/02/2006
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Congratulations there Bryan. If you would've actually taken the time to read some posts you would have seen where ricardcapecod stated "This is a thing from the past." So by attacking Bob Lincoln who obviously DOES know what he's talking about you just make your self look like an ass. Good Job!
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daddio
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8/02/2006
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i must be doing something wrong. i have 65k on my orignal rotors and pads on my '00 QC 5spd. still have a little under 1/2 the pads left and no signs of warpage.
could be i'm lucky. could be i have a 5spd. could be the larger drums on the rear of the QC. i really don't care as long as i don't have problems.
and yes when it's time for pads i will turn the rotors.
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Bryan
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8/02/2006
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Wow....missed that one! Then I would have to agree that ricardcapecod is not the person I would listen to in the bunch ,but how does that make me ignorant and Bob the go to man?
I must reiterate...
We know it is out of spec and we take that chance willingly. So calm down.....its a forum, not a soap box.
This applies to you too.
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ricardcapecod
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8/02/2006
17:54:46
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I really don`t expect that most people will take maintenance as seriously as i do.
On my standard, the discs of the Dakotas are helpless after worped.
When i replaced them at 75000 miles, they were not bad, other than deteriorating on its extremities, to the point that i could take chunks of it and them loose balace of the front wheels.
Obviously, i`d not replace a junk w/ a simular junk, like the ball joints.
Ball joints and front brakes according w/ this forum, are the 2 areas of most complaints or problem areas on the Daks.
Those electing to turn the discs, good luck.
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