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Dex
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3/22/2006
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Is the only differece between the Mitsubishi Raider & Datkota the price?
I haven't researched it but, I would guess the Raider costs less.
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Dex
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3/22/2006
10:33:06
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I just found this.
The Raider could become a collector's item
http://blogs.edmunds.com/.ee8fe75
Mitsubishi Raider production put on hold
Last year, while visiting the Detroit car show on "press days," I saw two brand new and two distinctly different pickups: The Honda Ridgeline and the Mitsubishi Raider.
The Ridgeline injects some really new and innovative thinking into a market segment that historically accepts change and new thinking as easily as Republicans accept tax increases. Best of all, the ideas presented on the Ridgeline work and are ever so practical; so practical in fact, you have to wonder why they haven't showed up until now.
The Raider, on the other hand, is nothing more than another "me-too-wannabe" effort, designed solely to give Mistusbishi dealers a truck to sell. There's nothing new here. There's nothing compelling about it. Worst of all, there's not one reason, that I can see, to visit a Mitsubishi dealer to check one out. The moment I saw the Raider at Detroit, I said to myself: "LOSER!" The public apparently agrees, as the sales are just dismal.
The Raider is based on the redesigned (and only so-so) Dodge Dakota. So unless you prefer the Raider's styling over the Dakota, or if the dealers are giving them away at "fire sale" prices, I see no reason to purchase one. There's no question Mitsubishi desperately needs a pickup in their lineup, but this isn't it.
Snippet: Rumors are rampant among dealers and some Mitsubishi employees that the Raider could be canceled after one model year. They say Mitsubishi so far has ordered fewer than half of the approximately 20,000 minimum units it promised to order from the Chrysler group assembly plant in Warren, Mich., during the first year.
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yuk
Dodge Dakota
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3/22/2006
12:47:49
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The Ridgeline sucks.
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Dan
Dodge Dakota
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3/22/2006
13:58:54
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I worked for Mitsubishi as a Tech in 1995. Thats when they
stopped production the first time. Sales where very low and they
didn't want to put any money into the pickup. I don't think much
will change.
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modain
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3/22/2006
18:12:16
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I had my first Raider sighting last weekend. It looked nice, the color was pretty cool, I think the wheels are better than the Dodge offerings, *but* the front end/grille looks horrible. It looks like a Nissan.
Nothing wrong with that if you like the Nissan look, but why introduce a "new" truck that looks just like the competition's?
There are some mechanincal differences. I "built" one on their website a while back for gits and shiggles only to find you *can not* get the V8 with a manual tranny. It's V6 with auto or stick, or a V8-auto. Take your pick.
What's your left foot doing?
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2002 Graphite QC SLT Plus, 4.7L, NV3500, Superchips 3715, 3.92 LSD, loads o'fun...
2001 Patriot Blue Durango SLT, 4.7L, 45RFE, Superchips 3715, 3.55 Open (for now)
1999 Forest Green Dakota RC Sport, 2.5L, NV1500, 3.55 Open
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Jerry
Dodge Dakota
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3/22/2006
18:51:36
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They are both the ugliest trucks ever made just the Dakota looks less ugly.
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GraphiteDak
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3/22/2006
22:28:46
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Since when was a Ridgeline ever a truck?
It's a soccer mom SUV. If ANYTHING is a wanna-be truck????
Let's see a Ridgeline tow 7,000 LBS?????
Yeah. Didn't think so!
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Levey
Dodge Dakota
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3/22/2006
22:45:09
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I actually think the Raider looks a little better than the new Dakotas. The front end is ugly, but thats nothing a good grill-guard and some extra driving lights wont hide! If it wont last more than a year or so, id wait, prolly get a killer deal on one.
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MStephens
Dodge Dakota
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3/23/2006
16:01:17
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MESSAGE TO JAP LOVERS:
OK, OK, Ok, we will never change YOU who feel that whatever is JAPANESE is best. So HONDA comes out with a unibody truck and you go GOO GOO GA GA over it and then feel say that American vehicles suck (and that's why you like JAP stuff).
You are kidding yourself, in order to justify your bias. I feel American trucks are stronger. They are better for work rugged use and heavy towing. And they have become very reliable, and I think hold up as well as the Jap trucks. I have 2 American trucks now and they are great. I'll buy another DAKOTA when my curent truck at 274,000 miles hits 300,000.
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Granger
Dodge Dakota
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3/23/2006
17:37:15
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Well, THAT was a stereotypical remark.
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NDTracer
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3/23/2006
17:40:33
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I have looked at both and they appear to be the same quick glimpse. Knowing how they have shared things in the past (laser/eclipse and others) I am guessing they are the same.
Now for another question and I am not trying to stir this but can you please define what makes a truck Jap versus Americian please. Reason I say so it the Honda's are likely make in the USA but the parent company is overseas where as Ford Chevy may be made outside of US but parent company is US. Then we come to Dodge which one are they? They are built some in US and some outsourced and the parent company Benz is in Germany so are they now a German company or still Americian?
I am proud to have my 96 Dakota except for the ball joints I have to replace. It is my third and I have never owned a "foreign" truck but I do now own a Mitsubishi Endeavor which is only available in USA. Completely designed, manufactured ect in CA so it is a Jap SUV or Americian?
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yuk
Dodge Dakota
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3/23/2006
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All I said was the Ridgeline sucks.
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JD
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3/23/2006
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What is American is not hard Chevy/Ford and maybe Dodge is an American company. If Ford/Chevy/Dodge are made in Canada who cares it's still American company the money go back in to the U.S.
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GraphiteDak
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3/24/2006
00:56:38
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Well luckily Mitsu is using the DODGE engine instead of the other way around.
Where Dodge engines are known to go 300K before a hint of smoke, cylinder wear, etc... Mitsu's are well known for puking blue smoke short of 100k miles.
I took apart the used and abused 4.7 V8 I bought that has near 100k miles and the cylinder wear is like the 318's of past.
No top ridge measurable at all.
And the crosshatches look near new!!!!
I bet when taken care of the 4.7 will go a few 100k miles with no blue smoke or rod knock.
The new(er) Chevy's are getting better when the pistons are not slapping :)
I've been driving 1 ton Chevy vans for some time. Floored balls to the wall on a daily basis loaded with weight and they only go through a fuel pump, altenator, battery etc by 100k.
People who drive them TOY trucks don't abuse them like this. And I'd like to see a Ridgeline attempt to do manly work like what I use these vans for.
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Spacinjason
Dodge Dakota
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3/24/2006
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I checked out the Raiders and in my opinion I like the looks of them better then the Dakota. Not that they look better then the gen III Daks, those are the best looking trucks on the road in my opinion.
I read that the Raiders are made side by side at the same factory as the Daks. One reason I could see purchasing a Raider over a Dak is that you get a better warranty with the Raider. Only problem is that is badged as a Mitsubishi! Plus I don't think they offer the HO 4.7L. No manual tranny with the V8 kind of sucks also! Can you get a manual tranny with the V8 in the new Dakota's? I have only seen automatics at the local Dodge dealer here in Southern Oregon.
Spacinjason
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MStephens
Dodge Dakota
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3/24/2006
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What is American? Chrysler is owned by Mercedes and Hondas are "made" in the US. Dodge makes Raider, Ford makes Mazda B 3000 or whatever it is. I like to look at it this way: Chrysler employs 310,000 workers in the US, Honda (could be Toyota, etc)employees 34,000. Hmmmm, why???? That's because the foreign are more companies are really assembly plants, as opposed to full companies. I like American products because when you buy American, an American works. Buy Chinese shrimp and you help a Chinese fisherman. Etc So when the foreign companies move their full operations here, design, marketing, manufacturing, parts, etc over here -- then they can be called American. Until then I see them as merely assembly plants. Support Americans.
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modain
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3/24/2006
13:05:38
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You can get the "regular" 4.7L V8 attached to a 6 speed stick. The problem is dealers hardly stock any of them. They fill the lots with autos. It's $1000 more for an auto equipped truck. You tell me why sticks are hard to find...
(Manual trannies make more sense on underpowered vehicles - more power gets to the pavement. With a V8 that is not as much of a concern.)
I had been looking for a QC close to two years before 1) I was serious to buy one, and 2) I found a salesman that would find what I wanted. Just about every salesman/saleswoman I spoke with told me, "you'd rather have an automatic." Oh really? Like they knew what I wanted, or why!
I found a salesman (Aug, 2002) that would listen to me. I told him what I wanted. He searched the inventory and 2 hours later I got a phone call that he had located two in California. That night he did the dealer swap to get my truck. Two days later I drove home my new QC. My truck had been sitting in San Diego unsold since May, 2002. That dealer was happy to finally unload it. I lucked out!
Moral of the story: If you want a truck the way you want it, you had probably have one built rather than hope to find one sitting around for you. (Boy, was that a run-on sentence...)
What's your left foot doing?
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2002 Graphite QC SLT Plus, 4.7L, NV3500, Superchips 3715, 3.92 LSD, loads o'fun...
2001 Patriot Blue Durango SLT, 4.7L, 45RFE, Superchips 3715, 3.55 Open (for now)
1999 Forest Green Dakota RC Sport, 2.5L, NV1500, 3.55 Open
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NDTracer
Dodge Dakota
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3/24/2006
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MStephens your take on Americian is close to mine. I try to buy Americian too. However I will also buy what I feel is the best thing for my situation. I do feel that my Endeavor is Americian as the are not even offered outside of the USA. That said it is better than any other. Most likely not maybe worse it has yet to be said. It was the one I wanted due to a couple things. I would have got a Durango but the milage was worse according to the ratings. Looking back I did have a good offer from one salesman so I probably should have got it instead but wife wanted the van at the time.
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Spacinjason
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3/24/2006
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Funny story- when I was looking to buy a new Dak in '01, I was pretty specific about what I wanted. After all this was the first 'brand new' vehicle I had ever purchased I wanted a silver Sport QC 4x4. Just had to have one as they are so tough, aggressive and just plain b!itchin to look at! I wanted the 4.7L because you couldnt't get a MT with the 5.9. I wanted the Tire and Handling Package, LSD rearend (should have opted for the 3.92's!), Heavy Duty Service Group (136 Amp alternator, HD engine cooling, even a little cooling system for the PS. Anyone feel free to correct me if I missed anything. Personally I feel like that package should come with a reciever hitch as it is clearly meant to tow/haul. I had a class 3 receiver installed).
Local dealer called me 3 times with wrong truck. First was what I wanted but had a V6. Second was what I wanted but had an AT. "We'll throw it in at no charge". Thanks but that's not what I wanted. They finally found the exact truck that I wanted, but it was 500 miles away. They said they would "truck it down". Finally got the phone call from dealer that my truck was in. COOL! When I went down to look at it I was so happy! It was just what I wanted! Then I looked at the odometer. Over 500 miles?! Oh they had a lot boy drive it down and he picked up a Ram that they needed. I was very dissapointed as I wanted to 'break in' the engine myself. Dealer did agree to take $500 of price ($100 for every 100 miles).
Dakota's are awesome trucks, and in my opinion the only 'compact' truck that will haul/tow/4 wheel with the big boys! Got to love that V8 rumble!
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Joe.C
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3/27/2006
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I wouldn't have neither!!! I'll have to admit the Radier does look more stylish up front, but thats about it. It makes no sence to have a V8 anymore with just 230 HP when you there or V6 midsized trucks that put out over 260 HP and about as much toruqe.
But thats my view of it.
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Kowalski
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3/27/2006
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Sounds like you need to take a good look at the torque curves there Joe ! While the manufacturers who only put a 6 in there trucks will be happy to fool people like you with high peak power numbers, the fact remains - a v8 will have a lot more torque available at lower rpm where you really use it than a 6. Many people are misled by the peak # game; you have to look at the torque curve mapped at different rpm to see the big picture. Now that you know what to view, don't be deceived !
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