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3/03/2006
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As a Site Sponsor, I share the following information:
******* Amsoil 25k Mile Extended Oil Drain Interval *******
**** REDUCE AMERICAN DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL ****
AMSOIL has been in the oil industry for 34 years. Due to Amsoil's superior synthetic composition and advanced performance additives, AMSOIL performs much longer than do conventional petroleum and other synthetic motor oils. No other major oil manufacturer matches AMSOIL's 25,000-mile or one-year oil drain interval recommendation (whichever comes FIRST).
However, the 25,000 mile /1 year that is on the back of the bottle is NOT an absolute! One must realize that is for non-severe service (highway miles where you have stable operating conditions) and that the indicated drain interval also has a time period of 1 year maximum as well.
***** READ THIS PLEASE EVERYONE *****
Under a combination of city and highway circumstances, AMSOIL recommends up to 2 or 3 times longer drain intervals, it means up to 2 or 3 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation (If your owners manual states 5k mile oil changes, then 12-15k mile oil changes would be alright based on driving habits. The harder you drive, the sooner the change). Proper filtration is also very important. AMSOIL Ea Oil Filters are also rated for 25k miles or one year (whichever comes first).
Notice: Modifications to engine will change service intervals.
Notice: More frequent service may be required under severe
service operating conditions.
Notice: For drain interval beyond 3x manufacturers recommendations
(especially the 25k mile change) oil analysis is recommended for establishing
drain intervals.
AMSOIL = 34 years of manufacturing oil and mountains of data and tests to make these claims possible.
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AMSOIL = A Company of Firsts and a documented history of innovation and leadership.
- First to develop an API-rated 100 percent synthetic motor oil.
- First to introduce the concept of "extended drain intervals" with a recommended 25,000-mile/1-year drain interval.
- First U.S. company to utilize the NOACK volatility test as a standard of performance excellence.
- First to produce synthetic motor oils for diesel engines, racing engines, turbo and marine engines.
- First to introduce synthetic oils that legitimately contribute to improving fuel efficiency.
- First to manufacture synthetic gear lube for automotive use.
- First to manufacture a 100:1 pre-mix synthetic 2-cycle oil.
- First to manufacture a synthetic automatic transmission fluid for automotive use.
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I would welcome the opportunity to be your AMSOIL DEALER of choice.
You can click below and Request a FREE AMSOIL CATALOG.
Thank You, Steven Roark, AMSOIL DEALER # 1061837, Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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Since AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oil was introduced in 1972, AMSOIL has developed the most complete line of synthetic lubricants and automotive products in the world: Amsoil Synthetic Motor Oil, Gear Lubes and Lubricants (Greases, Hydraulic Oils, Compressor Oils, Transmission Fluids, 2-Cycle Oils); AMSOIL Ea Air and Oil Filters (nanofiber technology); Antifreeze; Industrial Products; Speciality Products; Donaldson and WIX Filters; BOSCH Spark Plugs, Wire Sets and Wiper Blades; Etc.
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DakotaEnthusiast
3/03/2006
20:27:49
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As mentioned above ...
AMSOIL Ea (25k Mile) Oil Filters
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Extended Service Intervals
AMSOIL Ea Oil (EaO) Filters are guaranteed for 25,000 miles or one year, whichever comes first, when used in conjunction with AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oil in gasoline and diesel vehicles in normal service. They are guaranteed for 15,000 miles for severe service. This coincides with the AMSOIL 25,000-mile/one year motor oil drain interval, adding even more convenience for motorists by consolidating routine maintenance.
Amsoil Ea Oil Filters are recommended for use up to two times longer than OEM recommendations for commercial units, fleets and RVs using diesel fueled engines, not to exceed 60,000 miles for heavy-duty on-highway diesel applications.
Absolute Efficiency --- FILTRATION
Efficiency is the filter’s ability to capture contaminants. The more efficient a filter is, the more contaminants it will remove from the oil. To make a filter more efficient the spaces between the fibers in the media are made smaller, creating more resistance and limiting the oil’s ability to flow through the filter. Achieving maximum efficiency along with limited resistance is critical to good filtration.
Extensive testing shows that AMSOIL Ea Oil Filters achieve a near-perfect absolute efficiency rating. The exclusive new technology used in AMSOIL EaO Filters provides filtering efficiency to 98.7 percent at 15 microns. EaO Filters are the most efficient filters that are available for auto/light trucks.
Imroved Flow
Proper oil flow is essential to keep moving parts lubricated at all times. A filter without adequate flow properties can cause catastrophic engine failure.
Flow is restricted as the spacing in the filter media is made smaller to provide greater efficiency. The synthetic nanofibers in AMSOIL Ea Oil Filters allow maximum efficiency without restricting flow. This provides unsurpassed cold-start performance and ensures proper levels of lubrication throughout the engine.
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amsoil user
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3/03/2006
22:08:05
|  RE: Amsoil 25k Motor Oil and 25k Mile Filter
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Gee Steve where have you been?????
That stuff has been out for over a month.
At the same time Amsoil raised their prices. WHY?
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Dark Jedi
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3/04/2006
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|  RE: Amsoil 25k Motor Oil and 25k Mile Filter
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because oil prices are going up. and they fig they can raise their prices too. common market tactics.
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3/04/2006
11:31:58
|  Amsoil 25k Mile Motor Oil and 25k Mile Filter
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As you are well aware, everything "oil or natural gas related" has gone up. I believe Natural Gas prices have tripled in the last three years.
Natural Gas ( NOT crude oil ) is the base component of 100% True Synthetic Lubricants. Only TRUE Synthetics carry the PAO label representing the fact they are made from a PAO base ( natural gas and NOT crude oil ).
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DakotaEnthusiast
3/04/2006
11:38:07
|  Amsoil 25k Mile Motor Oil and 25k Mile Filter
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AMSOIL prices are highly competitive.
The "new" Mobil1 Extended Performance Motor Oil rated at 15k mile oil changes intervals was priced between $9.00 - $12.00 qt. in my area, though someone recently told me they saw it at Walmart for about $6 qt.
Amsoil (for 34 years) synthetic motor oil is rated at 25k mile oil change intervals, and priced between $5.05 - $6.85 qt.
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THE AMSOIL PREFERRED CUSTOMER PRICE DIFFERENCE
AMSOIL 5w-30 100% FULL SYNTHETIC MOTOR OIL (Quart / Gallon / Case )
------ AMSOIL PRICE QUOTES (Feb. 2006 Price List) ------
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- AMSOIL Retail Price for 5w-30 ........... = $6.75 quart.
- AMSOIL Preferred Customer Price for 5w-30 = $5.35 quart.
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- AMSOIL Retail Price for 5w-30 ........... = $26.20 gallon
- AMSOIL Preferred Customer Price for 5w-30 = $20.80 gallon.
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- AMSOIL Retail Price for 5w-30 ........... = $79.80 case
- AMSOIL Preferred Customer Price for 5w-30 = $60.60 case
............................ or ONLY $5.05 per qt.
... and NOW we offer a 25k Mile Oil Filter as well.
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Dan M
Dodge Dakota
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3/04/2006
11:49:20
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Steve - Your answer is incorrect!
Yes oil prices have gone up (around $62). Sure Nat gas prices spiked after the hurricanes rolled through lousiana ($16). Since then, nat gas prices are at the lowest levels in about 18+ months ($7). This means in the last 4 months nat gas prices have declined over 50%.
If amsoil is based from nat gas, then why did the prices go up? It's not because of the price of nat gas. Amsoil should have gone down. Below is a link to a graph showing prices for henry hub (tailgate lousiana) nat gas prices and WTI (west texas intermediate) oil at the NYMEX (New York Mercentile Exchange (largest commodities broker in US).
http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/ngw/ngupdate.asp
- Dan M
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Dark Jedi
Dodge Dakota
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3/04/2006
22:16:38
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its jsut everyone wants to make a larger profit margin and be like exxon. I am sure I saw the 15,000 mile mobil oil price not over $7 to $8 a quart. just admit amsoil is like any other oil company want to get in on the profit making while they are able too.
so I agree with dan. if amsoil is made from natural gas and the price of natural gas is very low. why is amsoil raising their prices. they should be lowering the price.
I liked watching the news and they said the future demand on gas will be even higher and crude shot way up. the next day the gas stations raised prices over 8 cents a gallon. on something that might not even be true. oil comanies are just mad because most of the US had a mild winter and couldnt make much money off heating oil and natural gas sales. even the us gov is getting in on it. heard they want to raise the tax on gas at the pump. everyone is money hungry and I hope they choke on their profits and die.
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DakotaEnthusiast
3/05/2006
07:17:39
| RE: Amsoil 25k Motor Oil and 25k Mile Filter
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AMSOIL PRICE INCREASE
Amsoil did not raise prices until just a few months ago. We "held the line" on prices until we could no longer do so and maintain a reasonable profit margin. I was actually SHOCKED that the prices stayed unchanged for as long as they did.
***** Look, I don't represent "Big Oil". I don't understand all the fine points of market prices, delivery prices, hedging, spot prices, futures, calls, etc., (of crude oil, natural gas or synthetic oil).
However, though natural gas prices are down from their peak, they are still well above the lows just a few years ago ... and since I've been a Site Sponsor on this site the price of Amsoil 5w-30 has gone up only 20%. The costs of transportation / insurance are up as well. Do you expect Amsoil to operate at a loss?
FOR COMPARRISON --- I believe your gasoline prices at the pump almost tripled (up 200%) at one point ... and even with the recent pull-back they are double (100% higher) than just a few years ago.
Do you guys think a 20% increase in Amsoil synthetic oil retail prices is out of line given what has happened in the industry.
Give me a break please.
Steven Roark , Amsoil Dealer , Proud Sponsor of www.DodgeDakotas.com
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DakotaEnthusiast
3/05/2006
07:37:20
| Amsoil 25k Mile Motor Oil and 25k Mile Filter
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Just an FYI -
Mobil1 EP (15k mile oil change) retail price?
Guys ... I stopped at a regional automotive store yesterday and Mobil1 Extended Performance Motor Oil (15k mile oil) "everyday price" was $8.99 per quart, on sale for $7.99 quart.
(as a reminder please look at Amsoil prices a few posts earlier).
So I stand behind the prices quoted earlier. Mobil1 Extended Performance is approximately $9.00 quart at the retail chains - (and seen at $11.99 at a "non-chain" Performance Shop back in January).
REFERENCE
Check Out www.AutoBarn.com (M1 EP is $7.99 quart.)
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Dan M
Dodge Dakota
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3/05/2006
09:13:23
| RE: Amsoil 25k Motor Oil and 25k Mile Filter
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Steven - you keep feeding some "false" information.
You can't compare the price of mobil 1 extended at a retail chain to amsoil mail order. You need to compare both at retail chains (haha good luck with that since amsoil doesn't market to retailers) or both mail order. Mobile 1 lists for $7.99/$44.94.
You have to campare like methods and products. That's science my friend.
I'm sticking with my mobile 1 synthetic changing every 3k miles costing me ~$21/5 quart at wal-mart.
Oh and amsoil isn't the first to have a 1 year drain interval. My wife's 2001 Grand Am has an oil life cycle system which uses a number of factors to detemine when to change the oil. The factory recommends no more than 1 year though. Hey, if it's good enough for GM to keep oil in the car for 1 year and not violate the maunfacturers warranty...
Not saying I use this system, just saying it's been in use since at the latest 2001.
- Dan M
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cracknmeup
Dodge Dakota
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3/05/2006
15:10:05
| RE: Amsoil 25k Motor Oil and 25k Mile Filter
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"Natural Gas ( NOT crude oil ) is the base component of 100% True Synthetic Lubricants. Only TRUE Synthetics carry the PAO label representing the fact they are made from a PAO base ( natural gas and NOT crude oil )."
Let me see if I have this straight - non-PAO basestocks aren't "true" synthetics because they begin by chemically processing a non-renewable fossil fuel, as opposed to Amsoil, which begins by chemically processing a non-renewable fossil fuel. Ok, I think I got it now.
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3/06/2006
09:13:45
| Amsoil 25k Motor Oil and 25k Mile Filter
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SCIENCE LESSON
Natural Gas vs. Crude Oil.
Methane - commonly known as Natural Gas (the base component of a Group IV Synthetic Oil) - is a simple hydrocarbon made up of one carbon atom and four hydrogen atoms: CH4. It generally is assumed to be of biological origin, the result of microbial processes. A simple and PURE base which provides for "sameness" and SUPERIOR predetermined performance.
The problem with Crude Oil is that it contains hundreds of different types of hydrocarbons all mixed together. You have to separate the different types of hydrocarbons to have anything useful. Crude oil is a complex mixture of carbons which must go through "cracking" (hydrocracked Group III)- to break down large molecules (creating a "pretend" synthetic that does not offer the performance characteristics of a TRUE synthetic).
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DakotaEnthusiast
3/06/2006
18:21:49
| Amsoil 25k Mile Motor Oil and 25k Mile Filter
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Natural Gas (ONE CARBON ATOM) vs. Crude Oil. (HUNDREDS of Carbon Atoms)
Natural Gas is a simple hydrocarbon made up of one carbon atom. A simple and PURE base which provides for "sameness" and SUPERIOR predetermined performance.
Crude Oil contains hundreds of different types of hydrocarbons, a complex mixture which must go through "cracking" to create a "pretend" synthetic that does not offer the performance characteristics of a TRUE synthetic.
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glk21c
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3/06/2006
20:01:55
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Steve, I don't know why you keep trying make your point, it's useless. Steve may not be making any money off of me as my representitive dealer, but I wouldn't think of using any other synthetic oil products but AMSOIL. He has been nothing but a great help whenever I ask him a question.
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Luke
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3/07/2006
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Amsoil is a great product. The few who bash it will not change their mind because they are right in their own head and no amout of reason will ever change that.
And to Dan M.
"You can't compare the price of mobil 1 extended at a retail chain to amsoil mail order. You need to compare both at retail chains (haha good luck with that since amsoil doesn't market to retailers) or both mail order. Mobile 1 lists for $7.99/$44.94."
I live in a samll town in sothern MN and I can go to NAPA and buy it and to another well knowen store in the area called Milles fleet farm and buy it so I am not sure you know what you are talking about when you say that amsoil doesn't marker to retailers.
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Dan M
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3/07/2006
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Luke - that's up to those stores and not HQ to carry amsoil. Why? Steven will say because store shelf space is money. Amsoil refuses to cut a better deal to a retail store like napa, advance, autozone, pepboys, etc. They could only get it for the preferred customer price you can buy it from steven for. Not all napa stores carry amsoil (unless something new has changed in the last few months).
Some retail stores do carry it, but few and far between. So until a chain picks it up, it's not marketed to retailers.
- Dan M
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3/07/2006
11:11:42
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Thanks glk21c and Luke.
Flaming and Bashing does not bother me. Gotta have a flame to cook a Porterhouse Steak, and Bashing ??? ... sorry, can't think of anything funny for that one.
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Where can I purchase Amsoil at a Retail Store?
I get this question a lot.
AMSOIL IS AVAILABLE IN SOME RETAIL STORES
Amsoil is available in some stores -- mostly high performance speciality shops -- that lean more towards quality (for building performance and race engines, or a store owner that appreciates superior products) than to a "price point" retail store (i.e. Walmart, etc.).
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IN THE BEGINNING ...
Amsoil was incorporated 34 years ago (1972) and did not have a sufficient budget to sell national on every level. Amsoil, being a small speciality oil manufacturer, could never compete with the big guys for shelf space.
Shelf space at the big stores is not free --- you have to pay for every inch of shelf frontage that you use, so Amsoil chose what worked for them at the time - a Direct Marketing System using Independent Amsoil Dealers.
If Amsoil was entering the market today they would probably pick a different course. Access to Venture Capital and the Stock Markets would give them access to the capital they would need for a different corporate structure.
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AMSOIL WILL NOT COMPETE WITH IT's INDEPENDENT AMSOIL DEALERS
The reason Amsoil is not on-the-shelf in more retail locations, is that they will not sell to retail stores for less than they sell to their Independent Dealers. For this reason, many retail stores are not interested in carrying Amsoil. They prefer to carry products with a higher mark-up (profit margin).
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AMSOIL IS THE ONLY MOTOR OIL COMPANY WITH A PREFERRED CUSTOMER PROGRAM (like Costco).
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Shatto
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3/18/2006
23:06:06
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500,000 miles on the original engine and transmission of my 98 3.9 automatic. That is how good AMSIOL is.
AMSOIL's Oil Analyzer's saved me from the advice of three dealers and two transmission shops who said I needed a replacement to correct the locking-unlocking of the torque converter while on cruise control. It was the throttle position sensor. Oil Analyzers said there was no wear, therefore nothing mechanicly wrong.
Great debate preceeding, but so what about why costs go up? Don't you want the best product?
About changing oil every 3,000 miles; thirty years ago the president of Shell said if you can clean the oil, there is no need to replace it. Mobil 1 was originally rated for 30,000 mile service life. Why change it at 3,000?
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Chris G.
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4/02/2006
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That 25k mile crap is a marketing gimmick. In EVERY engine carbon goes through the rings (some in minute amounts, some in large amounts) into the oil. The engine POLLUTES the oil. Oil manufacturers cannot do anything to make this go away. Why do you think the Oil turns black? Different kinds of buildups in the oil. I don't like running oil that far also because EVERY oil even synthetic tends to gum up over time. No matter how good they refine the oil, it's still going to have impurities leading to gum. Changing more often will lower the result of this. BTW, i'm not going to go easy all of the time worrying about how long my oil will last. I'm just going to drive how I feel, (Redlining or normal acceleration) and change my oil every 3,000 with a synthetic and not worry about anything going wrong.
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Shatto
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4/02/2006
04:57:54
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Chris G.
You are absolutely right. As far as your knowledge goes;
If your belief about oil changes is true, logic asks why stop at changing at 3,000 miles? Wouldn't 500 mile oil changes be that much better? Who determined 3,000 miles? Not the manufacturers who are designing for longer times between changes. Ask them. Look at your operating manual for your truck.
1. Amsoil synthetic is a different chemestry than petrolium oil. Because of that the performance is not the same.
2. Oil filters designed for synthetic clean far smaller than conventional filters. By-pass filters clean down to one micron.
1.+2. = longer between changes.
Ask your lawyer; if Amsoil can advertise and guarantee its products will perform as advertised, can you sue them and win if they don't.
If you can, doesn't that mean they are telling the truth.
Here, do this; put Amsoil in and run it 25,000 miles and sue if your engine is ruined!
A good debate can be educational and fun, but for goodness sake, all Steve and Amsoil are trying to do is provide products to satisfy a need and make some money doing it.
Please don't take the attitude that if something isn't sold at your favorite store, or you are not familiar with it, it must be a rip-off.
You may elect not to keep your truck as long or go as far as others. That is fine. We call it, something rare in many places, choice.
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