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Chris G.
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4/02/2006
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I may try it soon. I don't know where to get it. You do have a point. Filtration is the major thing. I use regular FRAM filters. I love the grip on them. I also change the oil every 3,000 miles because I love to work on my truck and mess with it. I can't afford $150 an oil change if that's what Amsoil is around so which I heard.
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Chris G.
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ALSO have to add that any synthetic giving a rated mileage also tells you that that mileage is to be achieved running very easy on your engine the whole time. Trucks are a lot harder on oil than cars. With a truck, even if Amsoil was stated to run a 25k mile service life, I would still change at 15k because it's a truck and I haul stuff a lot, therefore stressing the oil more than usual. Make sense?
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Shatto
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Problem with modern vehicles is there is almost nothing for "messers" like you to mess with. You could keep an eye on your brake pads.
Yep. Remember the filter needs to be designed to filter synthetic. Finer than the basic Fram. Your free catalog from Amsoil has a page with the math, comparing the way you do it to our way. 3,000 mile changes with cheap oil and filters actually cost more!
Nope. All that API and other stuff on the oil container mean it. Amsoil has charts showing service, etc. To verify your theory.
If you 3Dub or call Amsoil, they will refer you to a local dealer.
My sponsor was given me that way. She is in Georgia, I live in Caleefornia. Maybe the system could be better. I buy from a Master Jobber with a store in the Bay Area, and Amsoil gets the bonus payments where they belong.
With the above in mind, may I suggest you discuss the above with Steve? No reason he shouldn't help you with everything.
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OBIO3
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4/02/2006
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Way I see it. Doesn't matter if I'm buying AMSOIL or MOBIL 1 EP at NAPA or any other place of business it ls retail. Two diferances here. One is the profit the RETAILER is willing to accept to handle a product. Another is you can buy amsoil for the same price the retailer pays. How many of you can buy mobil at the same price as the retailer. I now I can't. I have all amsoil in my Dakota except the engine. It has mobil 1 EP in it and mobils best filter. I'm doing it this way only because warrenty requirs there service intervals to be maintained. My Mini van has no amsoil yet but that day is coming after I get past warrenties.
So many problems .... So little time
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4/02/2006
18:08:17
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I'm only asking that you guys request a FREE Amsoil Catalog and read for yourself. Nobody will call you, nobody will come knocking on your door.
Just a FREE Amsoil Catalog. The link is at the bottom of this post.
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Chris G., Amsoil at $150 an oil change???
One word ..... NO !!!
I pay < $6.00 per quart for the same 5w-30 oil I recommend for most Dakotas, and about $10 for the 25k mile (one year) oil filter. This works out to < $50 per oil change.
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25k Mile Oil Change Interval ???
25,000 mile oil change intervals are possible under certain conditions. No other major oil manufacturer matches AMSOIL's 25,000-mile or one-year drain interval recommendations (whichever comes FIRST) when using our 25k mile AMSOIL oil filter.
However, the 25,000 mile /1 year that is on the back of the bottle is NOT an absolute! This is for non-severe service or highway miles where you have stable operating conditions.
***** READ THIS PLEASE EVERYONE *****
BOTTOM LINE --- Under a combination of city and highway circumstances, AMSOIL recommends up to 3 times the equipment manufacturer's recommendation. If your owners manual states 5k mile intervals, then 12-15k mile oil changes would be alright - based on driving habits.
The harder you drive, the sooner the change. Proper filtration is also very important. AMSOIL Oil Filters are also rated at 25k miles (or one year max regardless of miles driven).
* Notice: Modifications to engine will change service intervals.
* Notice: More frequent service may be required
under severe service operating conditions.
AMSOIL = 34 years of manufacturing oil and mountains of data and tests make these clains possible. Let me know if you need additional information.
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GUYS - the SIMPLE POINT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IS THAT THE 3,000 MILE OIL CHANGE INTERVAL is overkill - especially with superior synthetic oils.
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4/02/2006
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RETAIL vs. WHOLESALE ( Amsoil Preferred Customer )
Amsoil Customers have the opportunity to join something similar to a Costco - we call it Amsoil Preferred Customer Membership - and you can buy your Amsoil products at the same price I do as an Amsoil Dealer.
No other oil company lets you buy at Dealer Cost.
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***** Click Below *****
For Amsoil Preferred Customer Membership information.
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justin
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4/02/2006
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One note to the amsoil reps comment on dealer costs. That is a good price, no doubt. Consider shipping too when ordering something as heavy as a few quarts of oil. I think it is 16.99 for most cases of oil from whatever company. Add that to $80 case of twelve. 12 into $100 is about $8 a quart. The incentives there. Guess it up to you.
-Justin
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Shatto
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justin,
Are you saying you dont pay shipping when you buy from Napa or Wal-Mart?
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Dan M
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I get 5 quarts of mobile 1 synthetic for under $21. Shipping included or not, it's still under $35 for me to do an oil change (6 quarts oil + premium filter).
a 25k oil change will void the aftermarket warranty on my wife's grand am. When I was looking at getting one for my wife's car, I specifically asked about regular maintenance and records. All said I needed to follow factory intervals in order to not void it. I'm sure it'll void the warranty of my 02 dakota too since the factory does not suggest a 25k oil change.
There's no way I'm running ANY oil for 25k miles in any vehicle I own! Why would anyone want to do that??? Cheap insurance to change.
- Dan M
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justin
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No, I was implying that if one was really interested then they might like to know that shipping costs about 16-17 bucks per case of oil.
And to answer your question on paying for shipping when buying from Napa and Wal-Mart, well I never have bought from Wal-Mart but I have from Napa. Napa won't sell oil via internet. You have to come in and buy it. So to answer your question, no you don't pay for shipping when buying from Napa. Hope this helps.
-justin
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Frankie2x
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Dan M
I guess you wouldn't use Mobil1's new 15k mile oil then would ya? AND it is almost 1 1/2 times the price of Amsoil's 25k mile oil. I saw the M1 15k mile oil for $10 qt, and steve said the Amsoil 25k mile oil was under $6 qt. Go figure.
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Dan M
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4/03/2006
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The 15k extended performance is the same base as regular mobil 1, just extra additives. If I can run the 15k for a few extra miles over the reg and the cost justifies it, i'd consider it. But, no, I would not run it for the full 15k miles. I would still change before 7500 miles - factory recommended max oil life.
I've said many times before, If amsoil was serious about pushing their oil and marketing and it was available for comparible cost at any of my local parts stores, I'd give it a try. Until such a time as I can walk into my neighborhood autozone or advance and buy it, i'm not too interested in trying it.
If amsoil was such a great product, they would be more interested in reaching customers.
I'm still waiting on a comarison of m1 vs amsoil. I have yet to see an independent study done on those two.
- Dan M
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Chris G.
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4/03/2006
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Castrol, etc. doesn't need to have sponsors online, NO OFFENSE. I agree with Dan, I may try it, but if it was so revolutionary, it would be at your local oil change shop. That Mobile 1 15k mile can be bought in a 5 quart container here at my local Napa for $21.99. It is on sale. Normally, it's only around $27.
There is a BIG oil industry. If a company wants to compete with the bigger subcompanies like Castrol, Mobile 1, etc, they need to make theirselves known and find a reason to stand out above the rest, you cannot do this by putting something on your website stating you can run oil 3 engine lifes before it's bad (exaggeration). NO I would not buy Mobile 1's 15k mile. I may buy the 5k mile oil, but that's it. For one thing, if Amsoil was so great, it would have a lot of money because in order to be great, it would have to have a lot of money to do research. Maybe if they focus money into letting their product be known, people may opt it out for the next product after they use it. I have asked local friends, online friends which are around the country. Not one of them has heard of Amsoil.
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Shatto
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4/03/2006
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chris g
Multi-Level and Direct Marketing organizations get the information out mouth to mouth (Steve's business) otherwise they would be something else.
It isn't bad. We wouldn't have concentrated biodegradable laundry soap were it not for the leadership of the grandaddy of em all, Amway. Only took thirty years for TIDE to come out with products like Amway.
If your friends havn't heard of Amsoil, could it be because they aren't interested in the motorsports Amsoil is involved in, or been to a fair, or read the ads in the magazines that carry them?
As an example I thought for most of my life, Lucas was English electrical products because our Land Rovers used them. I discovered Lucas Oil this year. They must be bad. I didn't know of them.
justin
Think about what you said; If the customer doesn't pay shipping, who does?
Dan M
Factory recommended oil changes before 7500 miles? What factory?
You don't believe the factory certification of Amsoil... or Mobil.
Think about your logic; You infer the sole purpose of a company is to somehow put one over on you, and by doing that they will thrive and grow.
There are In-and-out businesses to watch out for, but a company around for around your own lifetime probably isn't one of them.
Then there is the tool you are using to question the validity of Steves business; the Internet, where you can GOOGLE damn near any question you can dream up and sift through unlimited independant answers. You could, for example, ask about "oil change requirements,BMW" where you can select from 1,110,000 articles.
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justin
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shatto,
oh,oh,oh,... that s easy shatto. The consumer does.
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Dan M
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what do you mean my logic is flawed? Have you read your owners manual? Mine for my 02 says the factory (aka dodge) says that the oil and oil filter need changed every 7500 miles.
amsoil 25k, mobil1 15k, wal-mart supertech , whatever oil should be changed every 7500 miles or sooner. Sooner would be severe driving aka stop-and-go traffic and towing as 2 examples.
If anything happens to your vehicle under warranty and they find out you dont change the oil for 25k miles, what do you think they do? Compliment you for using amsoil 25k? They can void your warranty. Why? it's not that you have amsoil in there, it's that you didn't follow factory maintenance schedules!
It's all about proper (factory) maintenance.
I usually change my oil 3000-5000 miles, depending on my driving. I used to change 3000 but since I drive at off hours (5a-2p), I dont change as often now. I'm still under the 7500 window.
- Dan M
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Chris G
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I TOTALLY believe in the truth of Synthetics. I love them. I do believe that Amsoil is a good product, I just question the validity of them being the best. I run synthetic, but still believe in changing my oil every 3k miles. Maximum of 5k. I do want to see what Amsoil has to offer. The only thing I WILL NOT do is replace my K&N with a look-alike.
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4/04/2006
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Amsoil Corporate Structure
or ... Why Amsoil Is marketed The Way it Is
Amsoil introduced the first synthetic motor oil with an API (American Petroleum Institute) Service Classification in 1972 (34 years ago). Since that time, Amsoil has varied and expanded its product line.
Amsoil is available in some stores -- mostly high performance speciality shops -- that lean more towards quality (for building performance engines, or an store owner that appreciates superior products) than to a "price point" retail store (i.e. Walmart, etc.). I do know quite a few NAPA Stores that carry Amsoil (my cousin happens to own one).
In The Beginning - Amsoil, being a small speciality oil manufacturer, could never compete with the big guys for shelf space. Shelf space at the big stores is not free --- you have to pay for every inch of shelf frontage that you use. (I used to work in Management for a Distributor so I know this to be fact).
So, Amsoil started as a Multi-Level Marketing company, also know as MLM, and once they decided upon this concept they could not change or 100's of Independent Dealers would loose their business.
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As for MLM's ... Well, there isn't anything wrong with this as most companies are a network of people that take the money from the bottom people who do the work - and roll it back up to the top - each level getting their portion - and usually the guy on top makes the most. This is common in any and every company. If most companies would follow such a program (performance based) you'd be surprised as to how many would really put an effort into really working instead of expecting that paycheck just for showing up.
That's the neat thing about MLM's, as it can offer the ones that work - an unlimited amount of income based on their performance. Not everyone should be in a program such as this because many cannot focus on selling and are better suited in other jobs.
Is MLM bad?, I don't think so. Every company is an MLM of sorts.
Some of the largest and most respected companies are MLM's.
IN CONCLUSION - Amsoil was started over 30 years ago as an MLM because they did not have the advertising budgets to compete with the "big guys". I'm certain that if they were starting the company today ... what with easier access to capital (Venture Capital and the Stock Market) they might do it differently. However, they can't change their stripes now ... thousands of Amsoil Independent Representatives would loose their sole income or their second income ... and who says they want to. I think Amsoil is quite happy with 5% of the market that appreciates a superior product.
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glk21c
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ahh, the un-informed always give me a chuckle.
I've purchased more than just a case of fluids many times from AMSOIL and the shipping was no more than $20. Keep having your doubts, it just makes it easier for me to get. thanks
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Trevor L.
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LOL. Maybe some people have more money to blow on oil as well as preferences. I own a auto shop that brings in well over a million dollars every year in just profit. K&N filters ARE the best, if you are experiencing black stuff in the throttle body, try changing the PCV valve. This can cause oil to shoot into the intake manifold on some engines. Just because it isn't Amsoil, don't point your fingers at another product and be so closed minded. I am an ASE Certified mechanic and I would never use an oil, even Amsoil for 25,000 miles. I do like Amsoil, but Amsoil is not the "top". The Mobil 1 synthetic is just as good, perhaps even better. I have saw oil pans with Amsoil use, sure they are clean, but Mobil 1 was clean too with around the same miles. I get to actually experience this stuff unlike many as my profession. I also like Castrol and Havoline products. We use them everyday.
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