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athenianR/T
Dodge Dakota
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12/30/2005
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First, WTF is dodge thinking!!!! the R/T started out as a BIGGER v8 than stock, and aggressive handling characteristics. first reviews put it as slow comparing it to being sluggish, and comparative to v6 in other Manufacturers class of similar trucks! Quoting one source, "the ride is bouyant" checking the thesaurus, bouyant= bouncy, floating, and resembling a BOAT!
WHERE is the SRT dak that has been rumored for so long, WHERE is the 5.7 HEMI that IS available, and would make one heck of a quick Dakota? NO we get quad cab four wheel drive, sluggish, slow steering, no responsiveness, and in any way resembling the now defecated upon 1998-2003 Dak R/T family tree. Ooooh. its got a friggin hood scoop. so does the mustang. so do so many other ricer aged cars. I bet this one doesn't even serve a purpose outside of appearances sake. Jesus. WHat the F'n heII is WRONG with Dodge? we LOOSE the Dakota R/T, in favor of STATION WAGONS. they throw so much effort into forcing a "cool" grocery getter, and let a popular line of truck die. Now, we gotta live with every single full sized mopar getting the option of a 5.7 hemi, and The Ram gets one too, but not the poor Dakota series. sorry, but I think the 4.7 is CRAP. I work as a Technician, and am in the process of getting a Mechanical Engineering degree major with a minor in electrical engineering, and See so many design flaws that were missed, not only on the 4.7 but with a LOT all vehicles, the worst by far is anything with the badges of JEEP on the side, that I'd love to get the chance to some of the engineers from Mopar's fuzzy sack as a boxing speed bag.
So, in conculsion, WTF!?!?! why do they think that a poor MPG 4.7 R/T that sucks would be a better seller than a higher HP and better MPG hemi? maybe its that they wanted the 4X4 option, but then again, how in the WORLD does 4x4 line up with ANYTHING THAT RESEMBLES R/T ( fyi, R/T = ROAD and TRACK, for any that don't know...)
SO we R/T owners are left to hang our heads in shame for Mopars stupidity, as we See the first 4x4 R/T come into life... we hang our heads in embarassment as mopar falls flat again... leaving us to only raise our heads when we line up on our first 06 R/T and Roast his A$$ so bad he wonders what the F he just spent all that money on.
NOw, for the normal blast of my mods that I see everyone do... .Lets see a 4.7 do half of this....
2001 R/T RC black, silver side stripes, durango "5.9 R/T" emblems, and Viper R/T 10 seats Athens GA...
K&N FIPK w relocated IAT,180 thermo, trany cooler, removed clutch fan, ported polished heads, intake and TB, 275/65 17 yokohama ATS, adjusted crank sensor, taylor wires, accel plugs cap rotor, tuned PCM, 'tweaked' exhaust y pipe, flowmaster turndown, ported stock exhaust manifolds, crossdrilled and sloted rotors, polyurethane suspension throughout...
Next are crower 1.7's, forged pistons, Turbo or SC, Nitrous Express, JBA headers, Viper brake system, Shaker hood, Cuda style exhaust, hotchkiss performance suspension. thinking about shaving door handles and a push button start... TRYING to figure out how to wedge two 12"s and a 1000 watt amp into a club cab....
LOL I am selling a classic Mustang, 10K is gonna be fun to blow through in a week!
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GraphiteDak
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12/30/2005
22:58:00
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Well all I have to say is WTF why would it be a 4X4 QC??? If that IS true, that is stupid.
But I bet if I had my exact drivetrain, (4.7 with auto and current simple mods) in a RC 2WD Gen III, I'd be waxing some stock 5.9 R/T's all over the street. Hell, even the FIRST 4.7 5 speed manuals were takings some stock R/T's out of the box.
So I guess you can't say LET'S SEE...Because they can hold their own and that's what we have available now.
However, they DO need to get with it. a QC 4X4 is NOT the way to go with a R/T, that IS stupid.
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Super bee
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12/30/2005
23:10:54
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ive driven a 2wd 4.7 durango as a rental and holy crap could that thing move, faster than my 01 5.9 ram and responde3d a hell of a lot better
my 5.9 seems like a slug in comparison
my 318 dakota would have fallen flat on its a55 as well compared to it
1990 3.3 dynasty, toast, all the riceres a raced with it, toast, 5.0 mustang, toast it had some get up and go, so did the 01 4.7 4x4 dakota i tried out too
that durango i had with 3.55 vs my womans fathers durango with 360 and 3.92, that 4.7 got up and went faster than his 5.9
1990 sport RC SB, 1995 318drivetrain, 3.92 gears (came with truck) 95 dash/steering wheel, hearthrob exhaust, headers, cutout after y-pipe, necessary electric fan add-a-leafs, 30x9.5 mud tires, cranked T-bars, AR 39 15x8 rims, grill guard, roll bars
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athenianR/T
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12/30/2005
23:18:34
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yea, sorry, if I can across as bashing the 4.7 too hard, but its the Aftermarket that I guess I'm burned by regarding them. there's so much more modifications available to the stock 5.9 over the 4.7 ... I guess working in the field on autos all day gets to me a little, I see so many stupid things that are done... (i.e. oil filter located RIGHT above the starter solenoid, easily shorts out if you slip and drop the oil filter, welds the oil filter to the dam starter sometimes...- JEEP 4.0's)
yea, I started this rant over the 4x4 Qc... saw it on ebay looking up 'Dakota R/T' , listing at 26k or so. "they" claim 260hp, but thats just an average... (LOL, if anyone remembers what happened to Ford with the Cobras in 95, they'll understand why I don't trust Factory numbers! --- Ford claimed something like, 325 HP for the cobra, and bucnhes of guys bought em, had em dynoed, and they were at something like, 260hp... Ford had to recall ALL of em, and port and polish the heads to save face, and prevent a HUGE lawsuit!)
anyway back to Mopar country. I can't wait to feed my truck a new R/T... nothing like a big "brother" showing a younger sibling to give 'em the respect they're owed!
I forgot a bunch of crap I've modded, but its not that important.... I was actually just drunk, and felt that since I was ranting, I'd continue. I'm around 340 HP, doin it CHEAP... roller rockers for 600? F that... I can wait. I'm gonna have to sell a car just to finish My R/T mods for the cost of speed.
I've seen a few 4.7 that could hold their own, but its getting to be a huge bother that they failed on the hemi install... I heard a while back, they were gonna put a Supercharged 5.7 as the new R/T... I woulda sold all three of my vehicles off for something like that!!!
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cj
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12/31/2005
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do u have a link of this news?
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athenianR/T
Dodge Dakota
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12/31/2005
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http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/new/reviews/full/index.cfm/id/38660/
http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/overview.aspx?year=2006&make=Dodge&model=Dakota
Dodge's own web site has NO info, as of yet, but it appears that they dropped the ball bigtime on this years line up, the Night Runner seems to be the "pick of the litter" this year.
try search engines with the words " 2006 Dakota R/T "
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Andrew
Dodge Dakota
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1/01/2006
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You can mod the 4.7 with the same respect as the 5.9, but you have to remember that the 4.7 doesn't have half the parts that the 5.9 has. If you made a 4.7 into a 5.7 (not a Hemi) and ran it against a 5.9 who would win? 1 liter is a lot of displacement to make up with technology.
Oh yeah and the new R/T, or lack there of sucks!!!!
Andrew
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Johnny5
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1/01/2006
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Sounds like the old '4.7 vs 5.9' topic is coming up again. Back to the original issue, yeah, I think Dodge won't sell too many of these without the hemi. It doesn't make any sense to turn the R/T name into a cosmetic package for the new Dak. Their name will be ruined. It'll be hard to take a company seriously that puts the same title on the Viper.
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athenianR/T
Dodge Dakota
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1/01/2006
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hey andrew, yeah, you can mod a 4.7, turn it into a 5.7, but what's the largest displacement available for a 5.9? you proplly don't even know... my point is, stroker kits are available for the magnum too....
you hit the nail on the head, and thats the point I was getting at, thanks, Johhny5.
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Andrew
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1/01/2006
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5.9 can go up to a 408 cubic inch, maybe more, but I haven't seen many that were bigger. I was just saying that you can't really compare a smaller engine to a larger one stock to stock. You would have to make the 4.7 block bigger and then make punch it out to a 5.7 to compare it next to the 5.9. Because like you said, you can take the 5.9 out over 40 more cubic inches than stock, max on the 4.7 is around 330 cubic inches.
Andrew
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shannon
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1/03/2006
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Read in a mopar mag a few years ago that a 360 with a custom crank can be made to have over 450ci and a 340 was a little more. Better have some super whip a$$ heads!
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athenianR/T
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1/04/2006
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uh... yea. I am NOT TALKING ABOUT STROKER MOTORS HERE!!!!!!! with the Right talent, and PLENTY of money, any motor can be stroked, but who wants to have to PAY That right off the showroom floor when they're buying a performance oriented vehicle... the factory/ manufacturer should have done that already! i.e. look at the 98-03 Dak R/T... its the only dak in those years offered with the 5.9... the majority of the rest are 3.9's, followed by 5.2's.....
MY point was that as a STOCK motor choice, Why in the FVCK would Dodge decide to use the 4.7 as an R/T instead of the readily available 5.7 Hemi? is it due to costs? lack of interest? Or were they just too busy putting them into the REVIVAL of a long forgotten hatred of station wagons... in an attempt to create something "new that isn't" .... and Why for the Love of ANYTHING high performance, would they break the mold, so to speak, with the FIRST ever 4x4 R/T... and I'm talking allllll the way back into the 1960's era Chargers Challengers and such.... they left a huge steaming pile on the lineage of "R/T".... EVEN my Intrepid R/T seems more performance oriented than this new Dak...at least it falls under the Umbrella of Road AND Track.... hmmm... maybe this new one will become a NEW breed, O/T --->Offroad and Track....
Look, maybe I'm just babbling, but this seems like a huge failure on a evergrowing market... more people want performace trucks AND aren't that interested in towing ability, offroad use, etc.... Trucks are becoming an American Play toy, much like classic cars are thought of... this one, for all practicality, does not meet the criteria of being able to be badged as "R/T" so why did they?>? What road use is it set up for? I haven't even heard mention of anything being different with its suspension.... and TRack? I'd love to see some of these show up at the track, and watch em leave early, too...
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Jae
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1/05/2006
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http://www.chicagoautoshow.com/vehicles/detail.asp?type_id=&make_id=9&vehicle_id=106&image_number=3
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ptschett
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1/05/2006
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Many of Mopar's best selling products (Ram, Durango, Grand Cherokee, 300) are using Hemis too, IIRC they were even going to build a new factory to ease production volume constraints. I'm sure there's a good reason for the 5.7 "not fitting", whether to surprise us with an SRT-8 in a few years, or just simply that for whatever reason (ease of assembly, clearances, etc.) the engine simply does not economically work with the design parameters that the engineers had to work within. A good reason in a DCX beancounter's mind (even though for no one else) might even be to encourage Hemi fans to buy the probably more profitable Ram.
This is the 2nd R/T with power to 4 wheels -- the Magnum R/T AWD showed up in 2005. There's even another AWD R/T station wagon coming real soon now with the Caliber. R/T as a whole seems to be getting weirded out and the Dakota's just along for the ride.
ptschett
05 CC Laramie 4x4 4.7L
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cj
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1/05/2006
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the rt makes the new dak look 100 times better.. monotone
painted grill, makes it stand out less, and the scoop... it doesnt
deserve the rt badge thoough..
wheres our SRT????
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goatdak
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1/05/2006
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get real, since when was the rt-dakota even considered fast??????
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athenianR/T
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1/05/2006
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I think I can agree with the statements made by ptschett has made... opps my bad, forgot about the AWD Magnum.... but still, thats not a 4x4, technically speaking... as for goatdak's comments... well, I could get nasty but I won't...but I will say this, there's plenty of guys out there with camaros and mustangs that wish they'd bought an R/T dak after racing mine... besides, what you're saying is just a lame comment looking for an arguement. anyway, plenty of people know how fast the R/T dak can be.
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Super bee
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1/06/2006
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when are people going to realize the performance capabilities of AWD
typhoon, lets see one of you guys beat its 60
or silverado SS AWD, i saw one that ran a 12
AWD will greatly help the traction problems people have with these trucks
i have traction problems with my 5.2, cant imagine anything bigger NOT making a smoke show
1990 sport RC SB, 1995 318drivetrain, 3.92 gears (came with truck) 95 dash/steering wheel, hearthrob exhaust, headers, cutout after y-pipe, necessary electric fan add-a-leafs, 30x9.5 mud tires, cranked T-bars, AR 39 15x8 rims, grill guard, roll bars
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athenianR/T
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1/07/2006
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I can understand the right application of awd, but I disagree with the neccessity of this as a performance advantage... you're adding a LOT of weight just for a little traction. Keep in mind, that in a slalom test done by Motor Trend Magazine, between the Dakota R/T the Tundra TRD, and the Ford Lightning, the 98 R/T beat both of them, by a long shot...
I obviously, have an R/T... its a 2001 RC, it has the 3.92 gears, and the limited slip diff, with the stock tires, those crappy Goodyear RSA's, I had tons of traction issues. THIS is based on the fact that the RSA is NOT a truck tire, its designed for cars. I've used Pirrelli Scorpion Z, and Yokohama AVS tires, upped the size to a 275/60 R17, and ever since I've done that its hard for me to even get the tires to break loose. the wider, and larger foot print of the tire made all the difference with my traction issues, and I didn't need to add 600+ pounds by installing a transfer case and front axle assembly. >>>> Keep in mind, too, that if you get the notion to swap axle gear ratio, this version having two axles, doubles your expense. theres also the Parasitic loss of power to consider, as more moving parts and a higher rotating mass cuts into the power that the engine can apply to the movement of the vehicle.
I'm not really battling the idea of AWD, its just simply MY opinion that they really botched the entire concept by making it STANDARD< and not having a RWD only version with the 4X4 being an option... that way, yes, if you WANT 4X4, you can get it, but personally, I don't like the idea, and would only consider getting a 2wd version of the R/T...
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RadioMan
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1/08/2006
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I got a 02 4X4 Auto with the 4.7. As far as the
engine goes, it's got plenty of power for me. It
pulls my 26' camper down I75 just fine at ANY
speed I want including running over the speed
limit.
I agree, it doesn't get the gas mileage I wish
it could get but then again, it's a truck and
4X4.
Maybe some of you want Hemi's in Dakotas but with
gas prices going through the roof last summer
and looks this year will be no better, a Hemi is
the last thing I want under my hood.
And athenianR/T may think that the Hemi gets
better MPG than the 4.7 but that isn't gonna
happen when you got your foot in it all the time!
And we all know why most of us want the Hemi in
the Dakota, don't we?
I'm NOT 100% happy with DC either. They have their
problems like all the rest of them. And now that
DC dropped the 7/70, DC is admitting it has
issues.
You want a Hemi and a truck, buy the Ram!
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Mattleg
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1/08/2006
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The 5.7 can acutally get the same gas mileage on the highway as the 4.7. They finally figured out a way to cut fuel to several cylinders without the driver even knowing.
As for the 5.7 not being offered in the Dakota, theres more factors to consider than just "will it fit". No one every thinks about the factory assembly line that builds them. It can cost a huge amount of money to re-tool a production line just to allow another engine option.
It doesnt even matter if the 5.7 was available, the new dakota is still ugly as that bitch in the porn that got posted earlier.
Factory muscle cars were gone before some of us were even born, the EPA made sure of that. If you want one, build it.
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