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Bluethunder
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
09:11:16
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Hey guys..heres my question...I have an 01 4.7 with 5700 miles on it...at about 800 miles i changed over to Mobil 1.
I now read that I should have waited...so without the shoulda coulda wouldas, what do i do now?
Should I switch back to reg oil for a few thousand miles?
Has the "Damage" already been done?
Whats everyones opinions on this?
Thanks in advance
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umStefa
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
09:39:28
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You should not have done any 'damage'. The reason to wait abit before switching to synthetic is so that the engine components have a chance so seat together. They will still do this with synthetic, it will just take alittle longer.
Don't worry about the oil, just make your regular changes and you shouldn't have any problems
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
10:34:37
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Dont worry no damage is done. Just keep using mobil 1 now or any other syntetics dont bother switching back.
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
14:06:41
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Gee Mar, we thought you only used Castrol crapola dino oil...
BlueThunder, you cannot go wrong with Mobil One. If it comes in Corvette, Porsche, Mercedes, and Ferrari, it cannot be bad for you.
Rascal
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
17:15:53
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Well bluethunder keep using mobil 1 but if you really want to see your truck last and perform get castrol syntec. Rascals list of Ferrari, Mercedes, Corvette and porsches didnt include a dodge dakota (Think about that)...
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
18:04:11
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Yes, Blue, IF you really think about it, you will stay away from the inferior Syntech by Castrol...NO ONE recommends it but Mar. Give your Dak the best, Mobil One. Think about that!
Rascal
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umStefa
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
18:36:43
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I'll recommend Syntech...
I have run both and noticed no difference. Of course, if somebody could show me a scientific study proving that mobil 1 is better, then it would be a different story
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
21:05:01
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Mobil One has been around for 30 years, (and improved). FOUR high performance manufacturers recommend it exclusively in their cars. By the way umStefa, who cares if you recommend it, you do not build cars.
Now, who recommends Castrol Syntech, OR ANY other Castrol product? NO ONE!
I rest my case.
Rascal
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Robert
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
21:37:08
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Give it a freakin rest guys (or should I say GIRLS... the way you are arguing). I can't believe you guys are trying to split hairs on synthetic motor oil for a pickup truck!
Rascal: NO BODY GIVES A SH1T! Are you a saleswoman or something?
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umStefa
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
21:41:26
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Rascal, I must assume then that you are the head of a performance division at a car company?
Some how I don't think that’s true, so why should anything you say have any merit?
Now, all synthetics from major manufacturers are going to be better than any conventional oil (and in most study's are all very close to one another, see this post, http://www.dodgedakota.net/boards/per/1043.html).
Therefore, a manufacturer will use not the individual oil’s performance but on the economic benefits to that company.
It can therefore be deduced that Mobil 1 probably gives the best deal to the manufacturers and as such they will use its product. Looking at tires can prove this. Car manufacturers don’t necessarily use the best tire; they make deals with tire manufacturers to use one brand of tire exclusively and get the tires amazingly cheap (do you really think Dodge would use Goodyear Wrangler RT/S’s if they could get better tires cheaper?)
So, if you want to base your case on the “they did it, so I should too” argument, maybe it’s time for you to go back to school to learn about something called science.
If you want to convince anybody of your case, then you either need a little more logic than you currently have presented or show some scientific results proving your case.
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
22:04:42
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Robert, eat sh1t and die, and fu*k you gay-boy.
umStefa, its pure logic, like it or not. Facts are facts, but you would not recognize a fact if it bit you in the butt (face).
Do you think Ferrari and Mercedes care about $$ in their engines? Since you use NO logic, only speculation in your argument, you can deduce that you do not know what you are talking about, as the rest of us have. Dodge and Goodyear? I do not know, (certainly, neither do you). Does Dodge recommend Goodyear? No they do not. Does anyone recommend Castrol? No they do not. You assume much, and you know what that means...is this your "science"? LOL..
Facts are facts, logic rules, they recommend Mobil One, whether you like it or not, it is a fact. Since you offer NO fact, only speculation, you prove your lack of education and understanding. Get a clue and a fresh Mobil One oil change.
I love heating dumbos like you up.
Rascal
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umStefa
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
23:16:27
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My lack of education? I am not the one resorting to childish name calling in a feeble attempt to prove my point.
You assume that Ferrari and Mercedes both don't care about costs. Then why don't they recommend AMSOIL? It is clearly better oil than Mobil 1.
i.e. (obtained from Ed Hackett - University of Nevada's Desert Research facility)
Viscosity Index - Rate of change in a given temperature range (higher is better)
Flash - Temp at which vapours over the oil can be ignited (Higher is better)
Pour - 5deg F above point at which oil shows no movement when held horizontal (lower is better)
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Viscosity Index | Flash | Pour |
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| AMSOIL(5w30) | 168 | 480 | -76 |
| Mobil 1(5w30) | 150 | 430 | -65 |
AMSOIL however costs approx 125%, as much as Mobil 1, it is harder to obtain, the company is much less likely to give deals to manufacturers.
I am not saying that Castrol Syntec is the best oil money can buy, neither is Mobil 1, but they are similar (as soon as I find test results I will post them). NO company in the world doesn’t care about money (the bottom line is everything), if they didn't they wouldn’t be in business (look at Bugatti in 1995... bankrupt due to excessive spending)
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umStefa
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
23:46:00
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Another point (this was obtained from Tyres: Bridgestone
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umStefa
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
23:47:16
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Opps... mis-type. Here is what it was supposed to be.
Another point (this was obtained from www.formula1.com
The current Ferrari F1 race car (notice the lubricant,)
2001 Engine
Model: F2001
Engine: 3000 Ferrari (050)
Fuel and lubricant: Shell
Number of cylinders: 10 in V
Cylinder block: Alu die contested
Number of valves: 40
Distribution: Pneumatic
Total displacement: 2,997 cc
Fuel feed: Magneti Marelli digital electronic injection
Electronic ignition: Magneti Marelli static electronic ignition
2001 Car
Drive: Rear wheel drive
Gearbox: Ferrari longitudinal gearbox, limited slip differential
Gearbox control: Semiautomatic sequential electronically controlled
Number of speeds: 7 + reverse
Brakes on all four wheels: Ventilated carbon-fibre disks
Suspension: Independent, push-rod activated torsion spring front and rear
Chassis: Carbon fibre and composite honeycomb
Length: 4445 mm
Width: 1796 mm
Height: 959 mm
Front Track: 1470 mm
Rear Track: 1405 mm
Wheelbase: 3010 mm
Weight with water, lubricant and driver: 600 kg
Wheels: 13" (front and rear)
Tyres: Bridgestone
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umStefa
Dodge Dakota
9/04/2001
23:54:50
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Robert.. sorry I didn't notice your post earlier.
I am no trying to split hairs about a motor oil. I am only trying to show that most of the synthetic oils out there are excellent and will serve the purpose they were intended for... namely protecting your engine. If you use Mobil 1, Castrol Syntec, AMSOIL or any other quality oil you are getting excellent protection. That is the point I am trying to make.
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DakotaFan
Dakota Enthusiast
9/05/2001
00:31:42
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That is a well made point. Pick one and go with it. Make your regular changes...and enjoy your Dak.
You really never learn how to swear until you learn to drive...
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Dakota 2 Time
Dodge Dakota
9/05/2001
05:02:29
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Dakotas may not come from the factory with Mobile 1 but the Viper does. That's close enough for me. Whats good for the Viper is good for America!
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
9/05/2001
08:27:37
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touche' Dakota 2 Time!
Fictional results Amsoil vs. Mobil One umStefa and do not know what point you make with your analysis of Bridgestone tires v. Goodyear, this was an oil discussion..sheesh..too funny.
Rascal
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Bluethunder
Dodge Dakota
9/05/2001
08:34:13
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Thanks to those who responded to the original question, which by the way, wasnt "WHICH synthetic should I use"
THANKS AGAIN GUYS
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
9/05/2001
09:13:14
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The viper comes with mobil 1 but at the first oil change unless you do it yourself or give the dealer mobil one they will put the regular mopar syntetic oil in it which is probably just as good as mobil.
I went into a performance shop the other day for some parts for my camaro and even though this might not mean anything the only oils they sold were amzoil and redline. The guy told me that mobil 1 burns under high temp racing and thats what happened to me when i used it. I switched to castrol because i wasnt going to pay for amzoil and i never had a problem.
My trucks and cars are lasting me way longer then i expected and the motors are still running like new. So go ahead and put what you feel is the best thing for your engine. But until somthing happens bad to one of mine im going to use castrol.
ANd rascal the only time i ever heard mobil 1 being recommended was on a mobil 1 commercial. Learn somthing about sales and you will probably find out that mobil 1 went to each of these companies (FERRARI) and got them to use there oil because they gave them a good price to build up high quality oil reputation. Meanwhile ferrari probably doesnt care if its castol or anyother synthetic oil because they know that there all pretty good.
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
9/05/2001
09:43:24
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Yeah Mar, sure ya had problems with Mobil One at high temps, LIAR!
I am a mechanic and I have seen hundreds of engines after many miles. Mobil One is used by Ferrrari, Corvette, Porsche, Viper, and Mercedes simply because it is the best, no other reason, despite your broken heart over the truth.
Run what you want, for me, Mobil One is simply the best and that is the only thing that I will run in any of my engines to make them last and last.
Mobil One does not break down, does not emusify, does not fail, despite your lame attempts at saying so, the truth is the truth. Those car builders KNOW what is best in their high performance engines and that is why they run it. End of story.
Now go away boy, you're bothering me.
Good luck BlueThunder!
Rascal
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Bluethunder
Dodge Dakota
9/05/2001
10:23:27
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what do u guys do? Bathe in this stuff? Drink it for breakfast?
Although Im no "expert" Im pretty sure that all of these synthetic oils basically do the same job with very little variations...
Such loyalty to oil companies...
Unless you guys are getting a cut of the total sales, i dont really understand the arguing over which synthetic is better..
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
9/05/2001
10:39:25
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I am a Harley Davidson mechanic, have been since 1971.
My father was a Nascar crew chief for Red Farmer and the Allison brothers until his death in 1986.
Rascal
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
9/05/2001
11:26:20
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Rascal the only thing mobil 1 is good for is pouring on the ground so you can get you weak ass truck with broken rings and oil sluge to spin its tires.
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
9/05/2001
11:35:53
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ouch Mar, that is a typical analysis from you...that really hurt..jealousy will get you nowhere, but since you are nobody, you must be used to that.
Rascal
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Kevin Dinwidd
Dodge Dakota
9/05/2001
12:00:13
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Bluethunder,
You have not done any damage to your engine. The 4.7 engine is honed using a torque plate and needs very little break-in process. Most engines built today are built the same way. Race engines are built with a torque plate as well and they don't need any break-in period. When you bore the cyl it is round. When you hone the cyl it is round. but when you torque the heads down you will pull the cyl into a not round figure and this will cause the cyl to ring match to be not quite perfect. This will cause a longer break-in period. A torque plate looks like a 1-1/2 inch thick piece of metal that has holes in it to match the cylinders. It is torqued to the block just like a head would be. This makes the cyl not round. Then when the torque plate is in place the cyl are honed to round so that when the heads are torqued to the block you have cyl's that are round to start with and needs very little if any break-in period.
I hope this has helped your original question.
Kevin
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Bluethunder
Dodge Dakota
9/05/2001
12:52:09
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Thanks Kevin...very informative answer...I feel much better now.:)
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OILMAN
Dodge Dakota
9/05/2001
13:11:38
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Personally I buy the cheapest crap on the market. I used to use Empire State which you could buy for $2.99 a gallon. Whats the issue? AIn't hurtin' nothin'!
My fav has been AMOCO and when I cannot get that, I go with Wally WOrlds stuff for $.78/quart.
STP oil filters from family dollar are good nuff for me. Haw haw haw...I quit school cause I no more than the teachir~!
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
9/05/2001
13:36:57
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The fact is that amzoil is the best oil on the market. And if i cared that much about my truck then i would buy that. But I have viewed enough test results that prove that all synthetics are good enough for a truck that doesnt rev passed 6000rpm. So im not wasting my money on it. As far as Mobil one Vs. Castrol. In my opinion the both are good and they are so close in comparison that i will buy the one with the better looking bottle or for the cheaper price. And rascal stop talking so much trash they are just oils. And all you can state is that a bunch of high performance european cars which visit the shop more then 3 times a week use them. Were i used to work my boss owned every car mobil one backs except a viper and most of them are broken all the time so i dont see your point.
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
9/05/2001
13:40:35
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The point is your head is pointed, but a good hat will cover that.
I just love trying to read Mar's ebonics...
LOL
Rascal
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Mar
Dodge Dakota
9/05/2001
14:20:09
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Glad i can keep you amused. Have fun.
Castrol #1
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OILMAN
Dodge Dakota
9/05/2001
14:23:10
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Naw, its all about recycled oil.
It ain't hurtin' nothin' its all the same anyway,but the cheapest and you will gud enough.
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Rascal
Dodge Dakota
9/05/2001
14:43:46
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Hey Mar, if Castrol works for you, "mopar" to you my man! They are all so close together in quality anyway, it is likely that keeping it changed often enough is more important anyway.
Good luck to all
Rascal
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tomassa
Dodge Dakota
9/06/2001
17:20:35
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mar, loved your post about pouring it on the ground to spin the tires, keep up the chatter,stock market is closed so i am bored
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DOSS
Dodge Dakota
9/07/2001
04:44:02
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DODGE VEHICLES COME WITH MOBIL OIL FROM THE FACTORY. MOBIL ONE IS A VERY GOOD UPGRADE, ITS THE NEXT BEST DECESION MADE BESIDE BUYING THE DAKOTA IN THE FIRST PLACE
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Doug
Dodge Dakota
9/09/2001
03:16:41
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food for thought. which car manufactures own stock in what oil companies?
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William
Dodge Dakota
9/30/2001
12:16:07
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Well, now that you have really messed up your engine with that inferior oil, I reccomend you flush the engine and fill it with Amsoil 5W-30 or 0W-30 100% synthetic oil along with a synthetic oil filter. You will see and hear a difference in the way the engine performs. It is well worth the investment.
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Billyboy
Dodge Dakota
9/30/2001
19:17:25
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I really don't see the point in getting all pissy over what brand oil to use, from what I have seen there isn't a whole lot of difference. My father in-law has an 1982 honda with 150,000+ miles on it and he only changes the oil twice a year and uses havoline 5w30. He has owned the car for 10+ years without a single engine problem. Besides who actually buys a car expecting to keep it until the engine dies, which if you are using synthetic should be 200,000+ miles easy, (no matter what brand oil) especially nowadays. I read a report once saying that the average person keeps their car for only 5-7 years. So who cares what kind of oil you put in it, synthetic or non, it should shurley last you at least 150,000 miles like my father in-laws, unless you race for a living, which is a different story.
Just my 82 cents worth.
who's ready for a beer?
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