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Peter
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12/18/2005
01:24:09
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97 3.9, CC, 90K miles. I have the brake blues after attempting
to do my brakes earlier this morning. I got the nice performance
friction pads, new rotors, and I was ready to go. Well, after
taking everything off, I spun the wheel hub to make sure it was
rotating smooth, and I heard some nasty grinding. So I ended
up buying 2 new ones at $100 ea. Luckily they were easy to
replace, so I start putting it all back together, and torque down
the caliper bolts/pins to the 22ft/lbs and it just kept turning. I
stripped out the spindle, of course. I went ahead and ordered
an oversized bolt from advance and will attempt that tomorrow
morning. Next time I get in there, I will go ahead and have the
M9x1.25 heli-coils on hand. Just a suggestion for anyone
attempting to change their brakes. Go ahead and purchase new
caliper bolts/pins when you do your brakes (usually $8 for all 4)
and if you happen to have a thread chaser, use it. I noticed that
my old caliper bolts had a lot of crap in the threads. I'll let
everyone know if I have problems with the oversized bolt.
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Mattleg
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12/18/2005
13:04:31
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Thats sucks. Did you talk to auto parts store, it seems like they should replace it since you stripped a new hub using the proper torque specs. If they dont replace it, use time serts with green loc-tite, there way better than heli-coils. I Think sears sells them in kits. They cost a little more but work much better. http://www.timesert.com/
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The Purple 1
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12/20/2005
00:10:54
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Correct me if I'm wrong...
But don't the caliper bolts thread into the spindle, not the hub? When I did my first brake job on the '99, I was on pins and needles, as I was familiar with the stories of others who'd had stripping problems! Fortunately, all was well. Since then, I've had to disturb them a coupla more times at least, and my fix each time is to spray the holes clean with brake cleaner and then put a small dab of the brake caliper lubricant on the bolt threads, then torque 'em to spec... so far, no thread problems (loose, stripped, or otherwise)!
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Dan M
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12/20/2005
07:58:12
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you should clean as much of the brake components as possible when replacing the pads, etc.
I usually wipe the caps off of my master cylinder when adding/checking fluid to keep dirt and crap out of the brake system.
- Dan M
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MStephens
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12/20/2005
12:49:29
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I've put dozens of brakes on Ford, Chevy, Mazda, Honda, Oldsmobile and Pontiac. GM uses bolts and the later Model Fords, use bolts (ealier models used pins). I've never ever heard of anyone striping a bolt that holds my brake caliper on.
I remember my Dad saying "finger tighten" before using the ratchet. Its inconceiveable to suggest that Dodge has crappy metal or bad threads.
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Peter
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12/21/2005
16:26:30
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The brake caliper bolt goes straight into the spindle. The oversize seemed to work just great. But now I'm having a hell of a time with something else. I put it all back together and it seemed like there was air in the system. So I bled everything twice and it didn't help. I took it to pepboys who said it was the master cylinder. I replaced that and bled it all over again, and now it is driveable but still feels a lot softer than it should. I put on performance friction pads, new rotors and new hubs. After driving around the block, my rotors are very hot to the touch, but I imagine that's normal. It builds up pressure great when the engine isn't on, but as soon as I start it, I can tell it's not doing what it should be doing. It feels soft until it gets to a certain point then it's more difficult to push on the pedal, but it doesn't go to the floor. After I stop the truck and turn it off, I can pull the valve off of the brake booster and there is definately a vaccum there. Is it possible that I glazed the pads and rotors, and I have to wait to wear that off? I also adjusted the back brakes. It was only a couple of clicks off. Let me know what ya'll think. Thanks.
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Mattleg
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12/21/2005
18:46:30
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yeah your right the calipers bolt into the spindle, for some reason I thought he bought new spindle and hub combo, my bad.
As for the spongy brakes. First question. Did you bench bleed the new master before installing it? Second, Do you have 4 wheel ABS? 4 Wheel ABS needs to be bleed both manually and with an electronic tool that cycles the ABS pump to clear its lines aswell. Rear wheel ABS doesnt need the electronic bleed though.
If your really confident your got all the air out, theres these things. http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?lang=-1&catalogId=10002&storeId=10001&categoryId=13595 I have never used them, but if anyone has chime in.
I hate spondy breaks with a passion, soon as I get the dough Im gonna make some custom steel braided lines and see about a better master.
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pacman
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12/22/2005
08:52:31
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Did the same thing on my '99. I wound up putting a heli-coil in and had to get new pins/bolts because the threads were shot. I don't know why they made these out of such soft steel. Get your parts from mopar and play it safe. (Rotors and pads from other stores are fine)
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Peter
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12/22/2005
08:55:07
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I did bench bleed the master cylinder, then bled it on the vehicle, then the combo valve, then the RWAL valve, then all 4 wheels in the right order. I only have the Rear Wheel Anti-Lock brakes, thank goodness. When I was driving home last night I had to stab the brakes in order to slow down down for someone. They seemed great after that, so I'm thinking the caliper is hanging up. I used wheel bearing grease to grease the caliper pins, is that ok? There wasn't anything on the pins when I took them out.
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Mattleg
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12/22/2005
09:06:10
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The Wheel bearing grease is fine as long as its high temp stuff.
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