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Dune_Op
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12/09/2005
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Hello Gents. Got a question for you. I'm currently running the stock Dino 5W30 motor oil in my 04 Dak. My question is if I want to switch to synthetic is there anything I should switch, flush, or check first? Thanks in advance.
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jpkomm
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12/10/2005
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I think virtually all syntheics can be run with dino-juice of the same weight/viscosity (should they mix), so I don't think you'd have an issue. You may want to let it drip a bit longer though or perhaps even run a good Engine Flush. I've been hearing good things about AMSOIL Engine Flush from various people on this board. However, in any case (ie: money-wise), I don't think it will hurt anything to change back. Just don't forget to change your filter too. ;)
Just my .02c :). Anyone contradict me if you will.
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zzark
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12/10/2005
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I do things to the extreme, so this is what I did.
I swithched to Amsoil, so I used Amsoil flush.
Then drained, new cheap filter and cheap dino oil.
I run the cheap stuff for a few hundred miles, or until it is convenient for me to do another oil change.
Then I drain real good, new Amsoil filter and Amsoil oil.
zzark
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Jecht
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12/10/2005
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you dont have to do an engine flush. just put what ever syn in your engine and go on your merry way. syn and dino mixes very well. after all what do you think syn blends are. a mixture of dino and syn. only use an engine fluch if yo uthink you have a sluge prob. goto this website and ask the people in there they prob will know more than most people on here about oil(no offence to the people in here) http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi
I went to M-1 5w-30 in my truck from reg dino oil. had no probs.
also if your not going to do long oil changes. might not be worth yo uswitching to syn. most people run atleast 5,000 miles before changing and as long as over 10,000 miles. so if your going to do 3,000 mile oil changes. just get a good dino oil. you will save money that way. my warranty is about over. so I am going to start at first 5,000 oil changes in my truck. I have some german castrol 0w-30 syn( it is a green colored oil) that I am waiting to put in my dakota.
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Dune_Op
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12/10/2005
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Thanks a lot guys. The reason I'm switching is because I remember a post on here talking about the advantages of synthetic. I don't care about the money thing. I just want the absolute best for my Dak. I plan on having it around for a VERY long time. It's never gone 5000KM without an oil change and usually gets one at 3000KM. It's totally stock with the exception of a K&N filter on it.
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Jecht
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12/10/2005
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if yo uwant the best for your truck. dump the K&n. I had one and I had a oily grit down my TB and intake manifold. I have heard of other filters like K&N but filters better. just wanted to give you a heads up.
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Dune_Op1
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12/10/2005
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What filter do you recommend? I don't want to use the factory one, and if K&N is crappy I need an alternative FAST.
Can't seem to get my password to work. :-(
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Dan M
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12/10/2005
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hey zzark, I think the dodge dealership on the north side of town carries amsoil.
- Dan M
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Jecht
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12/10/2005
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yeah my dealership where I live sell amsoil but charges almost $9 a qt. only prob with dealerships they jack the price up on everything they carry.
as far as the air filter goes here is a website someone posted
http://home.usadatanet.net/~jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm
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12/11/2005
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SYNTHETIC VS. CONVENTIONAL PETROLEUM
Conventional lubricants are refined from crude oil which has thousands of types of molecules. Refining is a process of physically separating the impurities from the oil and further separating the light and heavy components. Because refining separates products by weight, it groups molecules of similar weight and dissimilar structure. The result is a lubricant with a wide assortment of molecules. Some of the substances in crude oil are detrimental to lubrication. Paraffins, for example, are a common conventional oil contaminant that causes motor oil to thicken in cold temperatures.
Synthetic motor oils are made from pure chemicals, not refined crude. Their components are chemically reacted to produce finished products with pre-designed performance characteristics. Because of their molecular uniformity, they excel in reducing friction, which improves fuel efficiency, controls heat and reduces wear. This molecular uniformity also helps synthetics resist thinning in hot temperatures and thickening in cold.
Synthetic Lubricants are fuel efficient, extended life lubricants manufactured and formulated from select basestocks and special purpose additives. In contrast to petroleum oils which are pumped from the earth and refined, synthetics are custom-designed in the laboratory. The properties of mineral oils (dino) tend to vary due to inconsistencies in the crude from which they are obtained. The properties and performance features of synthetics on the other hand, are very predictable due to their molecular uniformity, ... creating the ideal lubricant.
Since their inception, manufacturers of Synthetic Motor Oils have sought to educate the public about the facts regarding synthetics, and the need for consumers to make their lubrication purchasing decisions based on quality rather than price.
Though it sounds too good to be true, synthetics do reduce engine wear, improve gas mileage and increase horsepower. This is because synthetic oil molecules are superior in a number of ways to mineral-based oils.
- higher resistance to heat (up to 600 deg. F)
- Added lubricity (uniform diameter of synthetic oil polymers allows them to more easily slide over one another. The resultant reduction in friction shows up as more horsepower and torque and reduced internal engine wear)
- Higher film strength (one of the major benefits of synthetics, since film strength is what keeps oil molecules from being pushed away from each other under pressure)
- better "pour points", "flash points", "fire points"
- "high temperature and high sheer viscosity
- and so on and so forth .....
Bottom Line ... Everyone should be using Synthetic Lubricants (except Grandma who only drives to Church on Sunday's).
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DAKOTA RULES
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12/11/2005
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HELLOW GUYS
I HAVE A 02 DAKOTA 5.9 QUAD CAB
3 DAYS AGO IT GOT DOWN TO 38 BELOW 0
MY TRUCK WOULDN'T START THOUGHT IT WAS FLOODED.
SO I CHANGED OIL AND SPARK PLUGS CRANKED IT OVER WITH FUEL PUMP RELAY OUT. WHILE THE PLUGS WERE OUT. STILL WONT START ANY HELP WELCOMED.
YESTERDAY IT GOT UP TO 20 ABOVE 0 HOPEFULLY A LOT WARMER TODAY
THANKS FOR YOUR HELP
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JM
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12/11/2005
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synthetic oils operate better at low temperatures.
J
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JECHT
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12/11/2005
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could be water in your fuel line?
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OBIO3
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12/11/2005
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Fram oil filters are worthless junk > My opinion only but there air filters are upper quality and I do use them > I tried a K & N air filter for a year and suspected it was passing dirt/dust > So I put a piece of chease cloth big enough to be held in place by all 4 sides of the K & N > Run it one month and checked it > Wow > Was I surprised at the dirt in the cheese cloth > K & N went in the garbage >
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choochoo
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12/11/2005
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TWO comments.
ONE: to DAKOTA RULES: Did you pour about six ounces of fuel injector compatable fuel de-icer in the tank? Wait a half hour and you should have fuel up. Is the block heater working? If all else fails, put the Dak in a warm place to thaw for about four hours.
TWO: to JECHT: If that much grit gets through a K&N, how much more goes through a paper filter? Plus, was the K&N oiled up properly? A dry K&N will pass all sorts of crap if you clean it and don't oil it well.
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Jecht
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12/11/2005
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TWO: to JECHT: If that much grit gets through a K&N, how much more goes through a paper filter? Plus, was the K&N oiled up properly? A dry K&N will pass all sorts of crap if you clean it and don't oil it well.
well if a paper filter is more restrictive than a K&N filter. how can you say how much more can go through it. a paper filter has always filtered better than a K&N filter. also that oil on the filter with air going through the filter. dont you think that the air would make the oil travel through the filter and take what dirt it caught with it in to your intake?
as for my filter if K&N cant oil their filter properly then its a very poor product.
after all if you want more air to come in you have to sacrafice filtration.
I know less particals passes through my paper filter than my K&N and also no oil passes into my intake.
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caulk04
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12/12/2005
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www.bobistheoilguy.com
Check out the "Air Filtration Test" link in the left column.
All the information here seems very unbiased and accurate.
I'm still using my K&N drop-in because I can clean it instead of trying to remember to pick up a new paper filter.
'02 CC 4x4 4.7 HO
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Mattleg
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12/14/2005
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K&N air filters are much better than papers filters. Its a pretty simple concept that even my 47 chevy uses. K&N filters are the modern day oil bath filter system used so long ago. It worked better than paper then and it works better now. If you want proof at how well liquids filter air, go buy your self a Bong.
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cuzindoug
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12/14/2005
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That will be the next vehicle intake ripoff scam by sellers like the "tornado fuel saver" people: The bong intake, it filters the incoming air, adds a vortex to it, AND adds 300 HP!!!! Only $225!
If it ain't broke, fix it til it is.
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OBIO3
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12/15/2005
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With all due respect I can not justify K & N air filters > In my case I DID have the filter oiled proper And at the time I put the cheese cloth in it I cleaned according to the instructions precisely > I know what I saw > Reason I did this was I was seeing traces of dirt/dust in the filter box > Prior to installing the K & N I did not recall ever seing this problem > After cleaning it up and installing a fram air filter I no longer see this dust/dirt > Say and think what you will > I'm going with my eyes on this one > I like my DAKOTA >
So many problems > So little time
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12/15/2005
19:23:45
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A 2004 Dakota? You can switch from petroleum motor oil
to a synthetic motor oil with no problems.
Synthetic lubricants are compatible with petroleum.
The synthesized hydrocarbons, polyalphaolefins, diesters and other materials that form the base stocks of high quality name brand synthetics are fully compatible with petroleum oils.
Compatibility is something to keep in mind, however, whether using petroleum oils or synthetics. It is usually best to use the same oil for topping off that you have been running in the engine. That is, it is preferable to not mix your oils, even if it is Valvoline or Quaker State you are using. The reason is this: the functions of additives blended for specific characteristics can be offset when oils with different additive packages are put together. For optimal performance, it is better to use the same oil throughout.
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