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greg
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11/08/2005
23:42:10
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alright, let me start off by saying, yes i know this is a dakota board (im well aware, i have been posting here for the past couple of years) but this is not a strickly dakota question. my father owns a 300M with autostick (if you don't know what that is, then you can't help) i was recently driving it and wanted to test out its performance. I went into manu-matic mode and punched the gas. The car flies, but i forgot to shift. Luckily the car automatically shifts at redline (i think 6k rpm).
My question is, why do we still have manual transmissions offered (especially in sports cars, but also in other vehicles)? I do realize that price may still be an issue, but as with everything else, the cost of autostick and similar devices held by other companies, the price will decrease. If you can have the performance capabilities (if not better because it decreases the time required in shifting) of a manual, with the convienence of an automatic as backup, why do companies make strickly manual transmissions?
just a thought, opinions please
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Super bee
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11/09/2005
00:51:19
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you an auto stick is still not as efficient as a manual, a manual trans is pretty much gears meshing with gears all the way from the flywheel to the wheels, no tourque converter. i also beleive it takes less power to run a manual tranny than auto
wasnt the 727 a power hog?
and you jsut cant match the joy of having 3 pedals :)
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GARRY
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11/09/2005
05:02:11
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I have been driving for a long time. I drive nothing but a manual transmission. I hope the car companies never stop offering manual transmissions. I find them to last longer, take a beating, put more horsepower to the real wheels, more control in the winter, and I could go on and on. I WOULD RATHER EAT WORMS THAN DRIVE A AUTOMATIC!!!!!
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Spacinjason
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11/09/2005
11:09:21
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I love manual transmissions! I love to bang gears! Seriously though, I agree with Garry. I have had nothing but manuals the last 21 years and have found them to be more reliable and durable, deliver more RWHP, and are cheaper to fix if they do break. Plus you can always push start them if your baterry is dead! I bought my '01 QC new, and the dealership had a heck of a time finding a truck with my specifications and a stick shift. They even tried to get me into an auto by throwing it in at no charge, but I stood firm and they finally found a manual for me in the nieghboring state. I love the 4.7L / 5 speed manual / LSD combination! I wouldn't trade it for an auto!
I recently bought a newer Camry with an auto for my wife, but only because I couldn't find a late model Camry with all the power options with a manual trans. It's a nice car, but I worry about the auto transmission in it. She loves it and it is nice to take on long trips.
Just my .02 cents.
Spacinjason
'01 QC 4x4
4.7L, 5 sp., 3.55 LSD
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.boB
Dodge Dakota
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11/09/2005
12:02:04
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The auto stick is nothing new. Same concept has been around for decades. It's basically a stick shift for those that don't know how or are too lazy to work a clutch.
On a 1/4 drag race, the well set up auto will generally be quicker than a stick, that's why they are in differant classes. But in every other form of racing, the clutch is king. Clutch cars get better mileage and are cheaper to buy and maintain than autos for a lot of very good reasons.
For street cars, there are also a lot of advantages as stated above. I love a stick shift, but auto does have it's advantages, too. I hope the manufacturers never stop making manual transmissions.
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A Hole
Dodge Dakota
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11/09/2005
14:35:19
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Basically, car companies still make stick shifts because people still buy them. They're cheap, allow for slightly more efficiency than a slush box and, the auto industry is geared up to produce them (PTP) and they sell.
The CVT is by far the most efficient power converter and as soon as we can make them able to handle the power, sticks and slush boxes will be a thing of the past.
One thing to keep in mind about efficiencies in any mechanical system is that it constantly changes. Internal combustion engines, for example, may peak at 65% efficiency at a certain RPM but will be less efficient, as low as 20%, above or below that sweet spot.
It's called progress people. The same thing that took us from horses and put us in cars in the first place. Know it, embrace it and expect it; progress is here to stay. Always keep in mind that whatever is produced is driven by economic factors.
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ricardcapecod
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11/10/2005
01:19:10
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Any car maker that doesn`t offer manuals, doesn`t make cars for me.
Even my wife`s 2000 camry v6 was a 5 sp manual.
I had to drive 250 miles to buy it, once it was the only one available within 250 miles .
I test drove the 300 C w/ the auto manual. What a joke. Some people don`t even realize the diference of dinamics of a auto and a manual.
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Well
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11/10/2005
02:10:12
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It's a matter of preference. Thank God I live in a country where I have a choice.
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AMEN
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11/10/2005
02:18:12
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Amen to that!
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