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JBcool
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10/08/2005
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I recently bought a magazine that featured old cars for sale and you would not believe the amount of old cars that someone had put a chevy engine in. They even put chevy engines in Jaguars and Feraris. Youll never find one in my Dodge.
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JBCool
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10/08/2005
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Any comments?
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Jecht
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10/08/2005
18:27:32
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alot of people like the chevy 350 engines.alot of preformance parts and cheaper too. just like you find alot lot of ford 9 inch rear ends in dodge and chevy and so on in race cars. you be amazed at what can bolt together and work great. no one car company makes the perfect setup.
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JBCool
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10/08/2005
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I guess that I'm just loyal to the Dodge brand. However, I would not put a Dodge engine in any other manufacturers body style.
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Slim
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10/08/2005
19:37:38
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I do a lot of things, from mud bogs to derbys, etc. we use a lot of 350s in our toys. like has been said, they are easier to find parts for, they are cheaper also. and very simple engines.
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Craig
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10/08/2005
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I saw a 426 Hemi bolted into a Model A street rod once.
Myself, I'm not a fan of putting a modern engine in an old school street rod. There's only 1 motor that truly belongs in a Model A- flathead Ford or Mercury. That goes for many old school rides as well. Cadillac power is also acceptable.
For an old school gasser, the motor to have is a 331 Hemi, preferably blown. You can put a Willy's into the 8s with such a setup. I've seen the early hemis dropped into a few rides too.
If you want to win, get a race hemi. Indy Heads makes some motors that would make a grown man cry (as well as his wallet). 1500 HP on racing fuel for a 628 hemi is just too cool (and too expensive for me). To me, the only kind of racing is drag racing. :-)
If I was racing, get me a Dodge, with the 727 (or built up 525) torqueflight.
The main reason why I dislike chevy power is because I'm a non-conformist. I don't like seeing all of the "street rods" with a 350 and hydromatic out on the road. Sure, a 350 can make big power for cheap, but honestly I think it's stupid to go with a setup because it's cheap. Civics are cheap too.
Oh well, I understand WHY the 350 is used, but I don't like it just the same.
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JBCool
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10/09/2005
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
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JD
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10/09/2005
22:34:51
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use what works for you that all chevy ford or dodge
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Super-bee
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the 350 is so popular because they are EASy as hell to come by, chevy kept them basicly the same for many many many many years, so they performance parts cover everything
thats why they are cheap
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Craig
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10/10/2005
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Or, they're just that lousy.
:-D
Nah it's a pretty bulletproof rig, lots of parts, cheap to build, etc. I don't like it because everyone and their uncle is driving a chopped '32 roadster with a 350 chevy and a hydromatic 400, with a 9 inch rear. It gets SO boring.
But I know why they're popular.
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BubbainGE
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10/10/2005
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My father was known for having a different style of automobiles back in the '80s. Among his creations were a '46 Chevy truck with a 440 6 pack, a '76 Datsun truck with another 440 (torqued the frame in two on that project), a 73 240Z with a 440 on the juice (scary), and his latest projects are a '23t with a 350 (he'd never used a Cheby engine before, & wanted to try it once) and a '65 ford shortbed with a 514 (bored & stroked 460). This just proves that for all the folks doing the normal swaps, there's still some folks trying new combos.
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Kowalski
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10/10/2005
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Chevy bulletproof ? Bull !
More likely to wipe a cam with their skinny lifters; and tougher on the bore with their shorter rods.
Hemis have been dropped into the other manufacturers platforms for some of the best drag racers - no shame in putting the hemi in just about anything.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way
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Craig
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10/10/2005
22:31:58
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^ Yes, the 350 is a proven reliable motor, difficult to kill. The 440 may also be termed "bulletproof", as could the 318/340, and 360. You might call the 351 windsor bulletproof. The 454 "rat motor" is another one. The 3.9 might even be "bulletproof".
Actually come to think of it, Chrysler always built a pretty good drivetrain (prior to the K car). Certain cars were maybe not the best, but you could never hardly fault the drivetrain.
I wouldn't term a hemi "bulletproof". I wouldn't call the 305 chevy, or the 302 Ford, or the 4.3 chevy "bulletproof". These motors are all prone to various oil leaks, valve problems, etc.
The hemi is a good motor in that it puts out gobs of power with very little coersion, or extreme ammounts of power with a lot of work.
Not all modern engine builders would agree with your assesment that shorter connecting rods are a disadvantage. Some say that it makes for better torque and low end power. It also helps make the 350 an easy stroker. As for stress on the bores, I don't buy it. Compression height is the largest factor there, and you would find the compression height on a set of stock 350 pistons to be about a healthy 1.4 inches.
I am not by any means a friend of the mouse motor, but they're used for a reason. You can make 4-500 reliable horsepower for under 15 grand.
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Kowalski
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10/11/2005
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You might want to rethink some of that - the 305 is basically the same motor as a 350 with less displacement - so it would be foolish to think the 350 is more reliable than the 305.
There is give and take on the value of a shorter rod design. The lighter weight should rev quicker, but if you know what you're talking about, there's no disputing the shorter rod will cause more side thrust on the piston as it goes through the stroke - the angle it makes between the crank and the piston as it goes through the stroke must be greater than with a long rod design - causing more side thrust and wear as I said. I've seen many worn out 350s, they're not hard at all to kill for the two reasons I stated earlier. Wiped cams are very common in them. As you live, you'll learn - try to keep an open mind on things you don't have that much experience with yet. Chevy makes cheap power simply because the market is oriented to them because there are so many of them - but they're not without their design flaws.
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JD
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10/11/2005
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I think the chevy 350,305 and 4.3 are all pretty good. My work van has a 350 TBI with 275k this thing is amazing and the 4.3 is a 350 with 2 less cylinders like the 5.2 and 3.9.
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Craig
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I need to make double sure I have my facts straight, but the 305 uses weakened castings, that make it more likely for the main webbing to fail. The 307 is more desireable as a result, but both motors use somewhat cheapened up blocks.
As for rod angularity and stress on the bores, I'm still doubting it being significant. You're talking the difference between 250k and 251k miles over the life of the motor. I've seen plenty of 350s go a Loooong way.
I did not know them to commonly spawl cams, but I'll take your word for it.
You are most certainly right about your assesment on their still having design flaws though. One problem I left out was front and rear main seal leaks. Most 350s will leak there when they get older...
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Super-bee
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10/12/2005
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350s are junk
averyone who knowsn anything about engines i talk to tell me they are piles
one of the easier engines to blow up as well
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DakotaSport
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I'd take a 318 over a 350 anyday. Yes a 318 over a 350. Why? They are both true and tried motors...but the 318 has been around since the 60's. The motor was used in cop cars such as the Diplomat and Grand Fury. The 305 and the 350 are smokers and oil leakers. Those motors wouldnt last 200k w/o having a rebuild. I know someone who has 285k on their 88 Ram wiht a 318. That thing can still smoke the tires like it was new. The 318s can take abuse day after day and still run strong. Many of the dodge work vans had 318's that would go about 300k no problem. And im a mopar guy not a chevy boy, thats why I would go with the 318.
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4.7onNO2
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10/12/2005
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I Blew my 383 (350 stroked) after only about 8,000 miles. It was probobly my fault though. It made around 350 hp and i think the 100 shot may have pushed it over the edge. Just needs a new head gasket i think though. 350s are just so easy to get power out of thats why i like em. yea they have their flaws (there are better motors for daily drivers) But they are great for the weekend warrior type cars. They are cheap and easy motors.
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maroon
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Craig - why make the claim it will be the difference between 250k and 251k when it sounds like you know very little about this subject ?
What a maroon !
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crimson
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I like when people call other people funny colors... are you sure he is maroon or maybe just crimson.
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