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Big Ed
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6/15/2005
19:12:10
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Bob, sorry but the fine is now up to 32G's. I NEVER SAID IT WAS MY WAY, I NEVER SAID IT WAS LEGAL, I SAID IT CAN BE DONE THAT WAY WITH LITTLE OR NO PROBLEMS. NAME ME ONE PERSON FINED FOR VENTING REFRIGERANT. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN. I'M NOT ENCOURAGING ANYONE. YOU CLAIM IT COULDNT BE DONE AS 99DAKSPT SAID BUT HE DID IT AND IT WORKS.
Bob, you need to take a blood pressure pill and relax.
Think about all the WalMart shoppers out there buying 134A and trying to charge their cars. I bet its hundreds of thousands around the country. Do you think they give a $hit about the EPA, the Ozone, ect? They want their cars/trucks to be cool when its hot without getting ripped off by high price service techs.
PSS: believe it or not, I've been in the HVAC business for 32 years now. And guess who I work for, THE U.S. GOVERNMENT Our government is the
worst when it comes to following the rules. We make em and brake em.
PSSS: the government motto is: If it aint broke, fix it till it is.
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KJS
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6/15/2005
20:46:03
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Gee i guess i started WW3, all i was doing was stating what i read online, but Mr.Bob i need a valium Lincoln has gone ape sh!t, Bob relax whatever joe lunch pail decides to do in his own back yard with his truck is his buisness, if your so worried about them venting R-134a refrigerant, then maybe you better call the cops and give them everybodies ip addresses i mean geez, anyway if you have been on this forum long enough or read my profile because i am a member of this board, you would have seen that i replaced my heater core and evaporator and that is why my system is discharged and yes i vented it myself so sue me
My truck looks like it was in a knife fight, and lost! http://www.cardomain.com/ride/1275365
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Big Ed
Dodge Dakota
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6/15/2005
21:23:15
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Wars over KJS, and we won!!!!! Keep cool all you criminal 134A venters!!!!!
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lol
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6/15/2005
23:50:27
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Just more typical DD.C bullshlt. Just another pissing contest between morons who should be old enough to know better.
Keep it up...it's better than an episode of American Hotrod!!
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Dan M
Dodge Dakota
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6/16/2005
06:01:55
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LOL good job Fed Ed. I do have another rule you should follow....
beat to fit, paint to match.
I'll have to have this discussion with my neighbor (when I see him again). He works for an environmental company that has been doing alot of work with FEMA. He's pretty much been living in florida since last year's hurricanes.
Oh yeah, found a shop here that vacuumed out my a/c for $24.00, tossed in a couple cans of r134 and it cools fine. And I did it without polluting the environment.
- Dan M
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Big Ed
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6/16/2005
06:56:06
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Very good Dan. And glad to made your day lol(I am old enough, just don't know better) We aim's to please on DD.C.
Bob L is just trying to help, just like me. Its always fun peeing on each other.
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Dan M
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6/16/2005
10:20:36
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Yeah, most people on here are helpful, yourself and Bob included. I've gotten flamed a few times for "not knowing what i'm talking about". Funny thing is, most of the time that I was, the people made up names so you wouldn't know who they are. Guess they can't handle the truth.
- Dan M
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GraphiteDak
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6/18/2005
02:07:47
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I am about the ONLY tech I know that even USES his recovery machine.
One reason I use mine, is because I'd like to KNOW how much came OUT so I know if I had a leak that caused the other problems. If you don't recover, you don't know how much was in there.
With referigerant, you get the same STATIC pressure with 5 Lbs charge as you would 10 or whatever! Same thing goes for the TANK it comes in. Just as in a tank of refer. At the same temp, a full tank has the same pressure as a 1/2 full tank.
As far as the EPA. I heard that they made some examples early on after the ruling in '93-'94 when ppl made it a big deal. But now they don't really POLICE the issue at all.
PPL probably VENT 500 Lbs of R22 on a daily basis here in Phoenix. That would be the sh*t with CHLORINE! Not as much as R12 (CFC vs. HCFC) had, but it's still got it!
I only let some out when my recovery machine takes a sh*t.
In fact, I'm finishing a job in the morning. Got about 20Lbs to pull out of one system. If my ol' recovery machine gives me fits again....
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Big Ed
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6/18/2005
07:34:50
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I hear ya Graphit, the thing that gets me is you can dump all the chlorine in your pool you want, it evaporates into the atmosphere and theres no regulations about that. As far as I know, chlorine is chlorine.
At the VA where I work, we have thousands of pounds of refrigerant, mostly R11, 12, 22 and 502 with absolutly no record keeping.
We do use our recovery machines though.
Have you ever had to leak check a centrifical chiller? What fun. When their running the low side runs in a vacuum and both high and low are in a vacuum when they're off. You have to run a hot water generator to give the machine a positive pressure.
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GraphiteDak
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6/18/2005
22:52:15
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That sounds like fun.
No chillers for us. But I get some larger units. Today I had to go finish working on a lil' 30 ton unit :)
Damn thing pissed me off. I pumped the refer into the condenser section (package unit) so I could change the TXV in the evap section.
I had the liquid line service valve closed, and the suction service valve on the Semi Herm comp closed.
After I replaced the TXV and pressure tested it, I noticed when I added Nitrogen and it was getting over 200 PSI, that when I STOPPED adding Nitrogen to it both the high and low side would slowly drop down for like 20 seconds THEN stablize. Thought nothing of it at first so I dumped the Nitrogen getting ready to start the vacuum.
Well there's when I figured out a problem.
Where the Nitrogen SHOULD have easily stopped spewing, I got a continuous hiss.
Turned out the service valves were so shot on the POS 21 yr old Carrier, that they leaked. The funny action as I added Nitrogen must have been it bleeding in to the condnser section with the refer!
So once I realized that, I had to pull all 25 Lbs of the refer and THEN vacuum down everything!
If that happened to half the techs I know around here, they would have just left in the ol' NON condensables.
It didn't make my day :(
Surprised I got it to pump down to 500 microns too :p
You must have some old equip to be running all them CFC's still, especially 502.
Have you tried any 408a in them 502 machines when they need recharging?
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