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5/25/2005
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I have a 1993 2wd kota. I was wondering if anyone has the K&N air filter- dont konw if its worth the $140. Most of the disk rotors for sale say they are for 4wd, will these work on my 2wd? Does anyone know of a funcional hood scoop that i could buy w/out having to replace the entire hood?
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.boB
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1. K&N is never worth the money if your goal is more power. Sometimes a cleanable filter is a bonus, beats replacing the filter 5-6 times a year. You can easily make your own cold air induction for a few bux.
2. Don't know. But usually if there's a differant listing and PN, there's a reason for it.
3. There are plenty of bolt on hood scoops availabe from a variety of sources. Pick up a copy o Street Rodder or Mustangs and Fords magazine, there's plenty of advertisers there.
If you make a functional hood scoop, then a round filter with a K&N filter top will probably make some additional power.
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Kyle
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5/25/2005
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I have that same set up w/ a K&n. A hood scoop would be cool, but how could you keep water out?
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BigDog
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5 or 6 times a year? Cheepest ones are good to at least 10000 miles even in my local desert environment repleat with cotonwood crap floating around twice a year. If you really lose porosity 5 or six times a year, you better be using a prefilter and a lifetime filter. I'm guessing your post was rhetorical and exageration.
K&N or similar reusable filter is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY to maximize HP potential from your setup. Just go to the track with me tomorrow night and we'll see how many checkers are running Fram! You will find nice induction setups at performance stores or jegs, summit, and that sort of vendor, but they require a cut in your stock hood. Which is pretty cool-check out your GenI lid and you will find a nice place to cut surrounded by stiffener structures that looks to me like it's begging for a cut. Alternatively, offhand I cant drop a name, but I have come across store bought induction HOODS - you still need to rig the intake for the application.
Kyle: Functional induction is engineered so that water coming in (with air ofcourse) will pool into a tray that surrounds the throttlebody. there is a hole or drain in the tray fitted with a drain tube that lets any water drain down to the ground. The filter will pull air inside of the scoop where the water falls out of the inducted air stream. There is still some water that will wet the filter when it is really pouring or when you gun it. Thats when you should pull over and wait it out. Clogged or wetted filter will change the fuel trim leaning out the mix killing the power.
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gen1dak
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5/26/2005
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Hey BigDog, doesn't that GenI hood section just begging to be cut remind you of the shape of a "Shaker" hood? As good as it looks on the others, I think it's be great on a GenI. Look at the lines of the Gen I and the 'Cuda. Both are very similar in execution, with fairly broad surfaces, squared but not sharp angles, etc. If I ever get to that point, it's the setup I want.
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Big Dog
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It did. It HAS to be made for it. Centers over the air cleaner and everything. It is a really cool two part system. the open filter is accessible when you open the hood. Close the hood and your sealed and ready to drag. May actually be lighter - losing about a square foot of steel and the air cleaner assembly and intake, heat riser, heat riser tube, and replaced with fiberglass scoop, tray, and molding.
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5/28/2005
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replacing the filter 5-6 times a year
where do you live that is that dusty and dirty? I live in farm country and even durring plowing season it lasts more then a year.
Oh wiat a minute, you have claimed to be a mechanic, and most of you guys have told me that I need to replace my air filter every time I get an oil change. I had a "service manager" tell me that mine needed replacing last year when I got new tires put on it, he also said my ball joints were bad a few other things like pcv valve and egr valve were bad. I told him to "c'mere a minute" lead him out to the truck, and showed ghim the reciept for work on new joints, that was only a few days old, and asked them how had the gone bad in only 46 miles. Then showed him the recept for a air filter that had less then 3 miles on it, a pvc valve with the same milage, and dared him to find an egr valve. I told him that if he cold find one I would do something his wife does for him only much better, and if he could not, I would either get the tires for free or he would end up in court for fraud.(He was stupid enough th put it in writing, and stupid enough to to give the paper to me before I took him outside)
Dam those free tires run nice.
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.boB
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5/28/2005
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I don't replace mine 4-5 times a year, but I'm sure somebody must. If you spend a lot of time in the dirt/desert, you probably should. If so, then a cleanable filter becomes cost effective.
As for my claim to be a mechanic, I don't recall making that claim. I only work on my own vehicles, and mostly for fun. So don't lump me in with the service manager at your local jiffy lube.
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NoMatter
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I have a 93 5.2 2wd and I ordered that k&n filter kit and refused it because for a chrome lid and a POS filter that when installed did nothing but suck hot air..I didn't think that spending 140 bucks on something like that was really worth it..
So I made a sixpack hood for my truck completly sealed from the engine compartment...
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furball69
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If you want your engine to last a long time you'd be nuts to use a K&N air filter. All that air flow that makes all that extra horsepower that all you guys talk about is caused by BIGGER holes in the filter. Bigger holes in the filter means MORE dirt in your engine.
Of course, guys that stomp on it at every light and drag race every weekend aren't concerned with engine longevity, so go for it.
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Big Dog
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FURBALL: Check your facts. Look it up. You are wrong. STOP posting BS and flawed opinions. This website is for technical experts and others with experience to share with people with questions and concerns. There is alot of bad information on forums like this and you just added more. PLEASE come to the dragway with me next weekend or see your local master tech and educate yourself. All this info is online at the respective corporate websites and supported by independent studies by NASCAR, NHRA, universities, auto professionals, and consumers who have firsthand experience. Let me add mine. 6 vehicles: Datsun B210, Dodge Aspen, Taurus SHO, Dakota, Dart, and Chevelle. All bought used with less than 40k, all equipped with K&N, all showed improvement in HP and MPG, and all maintained and used waaaay past 100,000 miles in the hot dust desert environment of New Mexico. Whatever. Guess I'm nuts... Go back to shop class. Particulates will pass through ALL filter media. Thats why we change our oil here every 3500 miles and change the oil filter at every oil change. Ever wonder why your oils turns black after 1500 miles??? Part of that is combustion products, part of that is frictional contamination from bearing and ring surfaces, and alot of dust from the intake. I say leave the paper media for tampons. Good for a day then flush 'em.
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ricardcapecod
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5/31/2005
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Very well put Big Dog.
Some people would do much better just reading the boards instead of throwing samples of complete automotive ignorance.
About K&N filter, it is one more place where you can get maybe 2 or 3 peak hp. W/ fipk it is around 7 hp peak and it is worth to me.
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Jeff
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5/31/2005
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i get some extra freeway miles out of my tank of gas with my k&n.
enough to make it worth it. but i'm just using a drop-in k&n, which costs a lot less.
Jeff
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furball69
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WOW! past 100000 miles, I'd be impressed if that were a 1940 buick.
>all equipped with K&N, all showed improvement in HP and MPG.
I never disputed any HP or mileage gains.
>Ever wonder why your oils turns black after 1500 miles???
Mine doesn't, It's got over 6000 miles on it and it isn't close to being black.
>Particulates will pass through ALL filter media.
You're absolutely correct.
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furball69
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>FURBALL: Check your facts. Look it up.
OK, I did. I guess you do your 'looking up' and 'fact checking' on product manufacturers web pages that are full of marketing jargon and you believe everything you see. Right?
Here is a quote from bobistheoilguy.com from his air filter test page: http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm
"The "high performance" cotton gauze and foam filters do not filter as well as some have claimed. I actually received an e-mail from K&N stating their filters filter within 99% of the OEM filters. This may be true, and 1% may not sound like much. I contend that 1% over many miles, may be important. Really, it is up to each individual to decide. The poorer flowing filters, remove more particles, and the better flowing filters remove less particles. If you think about it, that conclusion passes any and all common sense tests, so it is not surprising. There are many that will be shocked by the results, that should not be though. I've used high performance filters in the past, and I might again in the future. At the same time, I know that the stock OEM type filters perform very well in filtration and don't inhibit flow nearly as much as some think."
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Big Dog
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6/01/2005
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I extend my offer again... See your mechanic, race driver, or come with me to the track. In addtition, try it yourself and see.
I must envoke my old rule - never argue with a fool. But whatever you do, stop posting bullshyte.
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Big Dog
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Furball:
I must apologize for speed posting. I forgot to mention I backup my claims not only thru educating myself with labels and manufacturer materials but I have been in the industry for over 25 years. It's pretty funny you try to flame me insinuating I surf for my info then you post a website, isn't it. Also, congratulations to you for going 6k on an oil change (if it's clean as you claim you're either blind or you're Jesus Christ). Since you don't "believe" in manufacturer claims, I won't bother reminding you your owners manual reccommends that your oil change interval should be every 3500 miles. However, when you spin off a bearing, come out to Albuquerque and I will give you 10% off on your repair.
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furball69
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I don't need it to be proven to me that there are HP and mileage gains with a lifetime filter. I believe it. I think it's great, awesome even that you have gotten the results that you have gotten using your choice of air filter. Go back to my first post and read it. I never disputed that fact. All I said was, if you could read was the fact that anyone with even an eighth of a brain can deduce from logic is that; more flow through a filter means more dirt. AND, I posted a independant study to back it up.
I didn't mean to come off as flaming; just returning the attitude.
As for the oil, I have a lot of faith in truthful independant studies and I believe that what the stealership doesn't know won't hurt them AND will save my engine. More facts for you to feast your eyes on: http://neptune.spacebears.com/cars/stories/mobil1.html
>I must envoke my old rule - never argue with a fool. But whatever you do, stop posting bullshyte.
My sentiments exactly.
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LarryB
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The secret to K&N isn't the cotton, it's the oil. Clean the filter regular, keep it oiled, you'll be happy with it for a long time.
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