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4/14/2005
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The pass side front brake caliper on my 02 4x4 QC (37k mi) seized up the other day on me. (anti-locks BTW) Didn't lock up completly, the brake was draging and caused the wheel assembly to get really hot, even smoked some when I stopped.
The only warning I got at first was it pulled just slightly to the pass side going down the road and when I used the brakes it pulled slightly to the drivers side due the pass side overheating and fading I beleive.
I found that the brake caliper itself went bad for some reason. After I replaced it everything seems fine. I think I caught it early enough before it damaged anything else. Amazingly, it didn't even warp the rotor.
Anyhow, I was wondering if anyone else has had this occur with so few miles. Was this a fluke? Or should I go ahead and replace the driver side caliper too? I'd hate to have this happen again if I was far from home.
BTW, It's no longer under warranty, ran out at 36k.
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daddio
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4/15/2005
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probably a fluke. but, i'd flush the system and put in new fluid. you cooked the old fluid that's in there when that caliper seized up.
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CThomp
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4/15/2005
08:54:37
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My calibers seized at around 50K. I had no warning. They seized on the highway and when I pulled over the passenger side caught on fire. I put it out with a gatorade squeeze bottle I had with me. Had both calibers and brajke lines rplaced. As well as rotors cut. That was an expensive day.
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fjn
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4/15/2005
14:39:05
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happened to me about 3 weeks ago 42,000 and some change on the odometer. mine was the drivers side. lucky i was driving in town and not at speed. at first it just felt like the engine had lost power i did not have any pull in the steering at all.
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jb
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4/15/2005
15:58:21
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It happened to me at 70k. I replaced both calipers, hoses, and the rotors and pads because it ruined the rotor on the drivers side. Mine also happened with zero warning.
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slopehead
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4/15/2005
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way back in "72 my little brother bought a new Road runner, looked just like Daisy Duke's only in silver, and at less then 20,000 had a front puck seize in the caliper, so yeah it does happen at low as well as high miles.
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peedee
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4/17/2005
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Happened to me on a trip to Florida at about 20K. The passenger side in CT and the drivers side in FL. They blamed the "v-line" pads that were put on as part of warranty stating that the v-lines caused excessive heat. The v-lines were installed by the dealer though so the work was done under warranty. I am extremely easy on my brakes so with that and all the others that have had trouble... kind of makes ya wonder. I posted my experiance here before in detail.
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Caliper
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4/24/2005
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Chrysler is getting bad about outsourcing parts mfg. to Mexico. Probably calipers are crappy Mexican made junk. Buy American. Get a Chevy.
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Chebbie
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4/24/2005
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Not to get off the subject too much but Chevy isn’t exactly “all-American” anymore either. Like every other manufacturer including Dodge and Ford, Chevy is outsourcing to foreign countries too.
Below is a site that lists where all the cars and trucks sold in the US are made or assembled. Notice the listing of many of the Chevy and Ford trucks/SUVs under the assembly location column:
http://www.howtobuyamerican.com/content/db/b-db-autos.shtml
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Dan M
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4/24/2005
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I wonder how accurate that information is. The first line indicates that hummer is made by AM General. That is sort of true. GM bought it seveal years ago.
I am from Indiana, which is mostly a manufacturing and agriculture state. I have alot of family working in various plants make parts for GM, Ford, Nissan, and subaru.
- Dan M
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John K
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4/26/2005
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I just replaced rotors and pads yesterday evening and while inspecting the calipers, I noticed something odd: on both calipers the pistons had fairly large flakes 'chipped' off. The pistons appear to be powder formed metal as I can't see steel or cast iron flaking like this. I wonder if seized calipers are a result of fractured pistons or flakes jammed in the cylinder?
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John K
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4/26/2005
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I also noticed, while doing the brake job, the large caliper 'retaining clip' on the outside of the caliper, was just lightly rubbing the rotor hub, making a 'squeak-squeak' noise while driving. The new rotors (cheap off-shore brand) had this area machined away for clearance. I had originally thought the 'squeak' was from worn out pads, which wasn't the case.
The old rotors, BTW, were wrecked with about 40k miles on them and were dealer replacements for the originals which were shot after 20-30k miles.
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Hummer info
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4/26/2005
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Dan M...GM doesn't actually own AM General which makes the Hummer (the real one). GM only bought the rights to the marketing name so they could make the Chevy truck based knock off version of theirs. This is why many people mistakenly believe the Humvee (the true military variant) is a GM product. The military Humvee was designed in the 70's by AM General, which was owned by American Motors at that time, which later sold AMG to LTV in 1983.
A company by the name of The Renco Group, Inc. bought AM General from LTV in 1992 and is the current owner of AM General. In 1999 GM bought the rights to the marketing name and distribution (dealers) of Hummer, but doesn’t actually own or make the true AM General military Hummer, though it does use a GM diesel engine though. GM just bought the rights to use the Hummer name as a trademark.
What’s confusing is in 2002, AM General began assembling the Hummer H2 (the Chevy truck based knock off) for GM, in Mishawaka Ind. as part of a deal, but GM never actually bought AM General as it’s still owned by Renco. Sources:
http://www.amgeneral.com/corporate_history.php/amSid/51b44060637664d23b4c6b700f97f194
http://www.hoovers.com/renco/--ID__40389--/free-co-factsheet.xhtml
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Hambone
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7/20/2005
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My LF seized up at just under 20k.Hot enough to
smoke.Fair Oaks Dodge was no help.Cost me a
bundle.I filed a complaint with NHTSA.This crap
needs a recall!
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Big DDDog
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7/21/2005
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CALIPARS DO SIEZE. Why is that a surprise? I agree they should be lasting atleast 100,000 miles but they are a cylinder and piston with seals, sliders, friction and alot of heat. Look, you can buy a loaded caliper for a little more than $90 at NAPA. Pads cost between $50 and $100 an axle. Loaded means pads are installed for you. Just slather the appropriate surfaces with silicone brake grease and throw em on. Replace by axle, turn rotors, and bleed, and your entire axle is overhauled with new fluid to boot. This isn't a dodge problem, this is a maintenance preventable problem. Just like motor oil, you gotta service calipers no later than 30,000 miles if you want them to last. That means inspect all calipar parts for wear and bleed every year. That sh!t absorbs water until your hardware rusts inside out if you let it. Overheated brakes will boil the water making bubbles in the lines and giving the spongy brake pedal. This is like "my tires wore out in a year" kinda deal. Maybe hitting that curb a year ago had something to do with that, ya know? Or "truck runs too hot, my coolant is only 3 years old." and "my oil gage drops when I idle, the oil's only got 6000 miles on it" Good stuff. So anyway, I reccomend officially for the like, ...well I lost count. Hmmm. Bleed brakes each year, change oil every 3500 miles. Drain and fill coolant every other year or 25,000 miles, drain and fill ATX every 3rd year or 50,000 miles OR if you ever overheat your tranny. Get your alignment checked each year and throw on a new fuel filter every year - they are cheep if they aren't inside the tank. get a new disposable filter at least once a year before summer when you tend to lose your best milage due to A/C useage and hot road temps.
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tjski
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7/21/2005
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My 02 dakota needed new calipers at 37,000 miles.
NAPA had them for 90 apiece and loaded wih pads.
Replaced and bleed line now brakes work like new again. My other dodge vehicles have gone over 200,000 with original calipers. Not sure whats up with this newer vehicles parts.
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peedee
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7/21/2005
20:59:23
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When mine let go at 20k, the dealer in ct told me he had seen quite a few '02s lock up. The other one locked in fl ( I was on a trip from MA to FL ). I would bug the dealer for warranty. Also: the hoses and fluid should be changed and check the grease in the bearings (probably re-pack is best). The rotor really should be replaced too if it got hot enough to smoke. Shouldn't take chances with brakes. Mine has been good since the change. All new front brake components and fluid and master cyl at the time of failure in FL. The two dealers blamed the "v-line" pads that my local dealer put on under warranty when the rattle clips let go at 17k or so. Then said the v-line don't dissapate heat properly for the design. V-line is the no name that dealers use but treat as factory as far as warranty.
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Hot Wheels
Dodge Dakota
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7/21/2005
21:32:12
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Simmer down there Bdog. I think most of us know this isn't a "Dodge only" issue (calipers). It happened to my brother’s Chevy's and it happened on my buddy's newer Ford truck recently.
I don't agree with you that's it's a service issue though. Never in my life have I bled calipers as regular maintenance every year. It shouldn't be needed on a vehicle that's driven normally. And I don't think it's normal for a caliper to seize at 36k on a 3 year old truck either. Yes, brake fluid does draw moisture, but not in a system that is sealed properly, at least not that fast. It shouldn’t be drawing moisture enough that it needs changed every year.
I think this problem stems mainly from one, road salt and or two, poor quality calipers, which BTW all the manufacturers seem to be using now.
I got over 300k miles out of my last Dodge and never had to tear into the motor or trans. (oil changes every 3k and trans fliud every 30k). I never changed the brake fluid or replaced a caliper till it was 13 years old, let alone change it every year.
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MSTEPHENS
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8/09/2005
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Yeah, I had it happen, not on my DAKOTA.
My F150 seized a caliper. Water and crude settles to the bottom and collects in the caliper, eventually rust builds up and it seaizes. My truck was 12 yo when it happened. That's why its going flush the system every few years.
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archer75
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8/09/2005
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It happened on my drivers side on my 98 dak. About 36k miles on it at the time.
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zzark
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8/11/2005
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Me too. Two weeks ago. On a 1994 with 143,000 miles.
zzark
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